i'm too lazy to look up my post from a couple of years ago where said exactly that

Even so. What he just wrote is a hundred percent true.

Not "other people". Mostly I'm calling you a loser.

No, you call everyone a loser who does not agree with you. Your post history shows that. Yet you do not show anything that you do let alone how you know what others are doing. It's all mouth.

This topic documents what credible sources are saying about the industry and the reason for it. There is more truth there than what you probably care to admit. Don't be mad at me. I did not write the articles. I did not tell AVN Theo to say that. I did not tell XBIZ to say what they said. Sorry if you don't want to hear it but that's kind of the problem.

No one is saying there isn't money still here but our industry is in monetary decline and there are reasons for that. The consensus is that the number one reason is related to the proliferation of free content and piracy.

It would have validty to it save for the fact that the tube sites are still getting hundreds of millions of visitors. These are all people searching for porn. They aren't hitting Facebook and Twitter only. These people largely used to hit the paysites, the blogs, TGPs, MGPs, and actual legitimate tubes. Now they go to these tubes and get it for free.

I am not mad. I just do not understand this obsession of yours.

But I asked before and I will ask again. If you somehow manage to convince the majority of the industry that we are all in deep shit and we all agree to do something. What do you propose we do? That debate would seem more productive..

You've probably made more posts about (but on the side of the tubes) than I have. So if I have an "obsession" so too would you. Regardless it would make sense to be concerned as this is our business we are talking about. We should ALL have had obsessions about it.

To learn from our mistakes would be a great start. That means admitting, "yeah, all the free content is primarily responsible for cutting our industry wide revenues" From there it starts to become a bit of a no-brainer. You try to get together to reverse that trend through intelligent action. You also perhaps try to stop the same thing from happening in other areas of the industry.

Or you can just say "Bro, bro" act like everything is fine and get mad at everyone who points out the truth. You can just come up with a bunch of horseshit excuses and cliches like "Oh people will pay for HD" or "Only those with crappy products have suffered". I guess that is easy to do considering we have had eight years of practice.

you aren't going to reverse shit... but keep on dreaming if it makes you feel better... :error

actually what i said back then - like 4-5 years ago - was that people have limited time per day they can spend actively online

nowadays they want to spend a lot of time on Facebook, Twitter etc - leaves less time to be jerked around in CJs, TGPs etc. until they signup somewhere - ergo tubes are a convenient solution for them

the biggest mistake from the paysite sector in that time was not to move forward in technology but to still offer cookie cutter sites with twenty 320x240 mpg videos and demand $39.95 for that (plus hidden xsales)

tubes were free, yes, but they also offered a user experience that was light years ahead of what 99% of the paysites offered back then

a big part of this industry dug its own grave and now sits there with a shovel and cries

I agree wholeheartedly with this part. I don't think it's done yet either.

Realistically, no. I'm not. But you can't say I didn't try. Myself and many others told you what was going to happen circa-2007. We were all right. You called us losers and assholes but here we are now. Even the pirates are having to layoff and cut costs. Even so those sleeping still sleep and refuse to see.

Anyway I've adjusted my own business endeavors accordingly. I wish I would have done so far earlier but live and learn.

Just for shits and giggles...
I'm feelin kinda nostalgic.

02-23-2008, 01:03 PM

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=13821713&postcount=14


This one still makes me laugh.

02-24-2008, 05:48 PM

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=13826676

I am not sure how or where I have made more posts about tubes and being on the side of tubes if that is what you meant... and why is there even "a side" when talking about a site type? To me tubes are a tool to drive traffic and make sales, just like search engines are. But if you have a tool that is better / more productive than either of those tools, I am all ears.

I don't know what you do or did in this industry (sorry I am not a bro that has been around for ages), but all I ever see you do, is talk about how shitty things are and how sponsors are scamming affiliates. I don't see how that is enlightening, productive or even contributes in any way to anything useful for anyone - other than a hate/despair/cry outlet. Maybe you can tell me.

But I will tell you this, probably every single successful businessman, will tell you to not try to fight change, but try to stay one step ahead of it. See what is coming and ride with it.

To put it more simply: You can either build something new or you can build something better.

You just cannot reverse what has happened. This isn't politics. And it's always going to be to each his own.

But... You say you have adapted your own business. May I ask what you have done and what that business is?

Let's just be honest, Markul. It all comes down to you just not liking what I say. You're not trying to solve any problem. There isn't any debate here. It's just you saying "I don't like your posts". Well, Markul, I really don't give a damn what you think of my posts because I don't think very much of you either. You think I complain about this or that all the time and in my view most of what you post is you defending tubes or getting in wisecracks on people. We don't like one another. Let's not waste each others time. If you don't like what I say there is an obvious solution (see sig). I know we've had this conversation before as well quite a few times... If you keep it up I'm going to start replying "fuck off. see sig".

Your personal opinions really don't carry much weight to me versus all the other published data and perceptions anyway. If you think it's wrong then please post some opposing articles or facts and figures showing the industry has grown or that tubes are helping to increase revenue industry wide.

Translation: "those of us who are willing to scam people and find some way to stay legal while doing it will thrive."

This forum is continually amazed that you ride a high horse regarding your legal-but-shouldn't-be billing schemes.

How does it feel to know that every single sale you pull results in someone opening their credit card statement and feeling ripped off? The scientific fact of the matter is that you are a clinical sociopath if you don't care about that.

I think it's also safe to assume this anti-social mindset is manifesting deep troubles in your personal life and likely has been for many years. So as much as you want to believe otherwise, nobody here envies you.

Wow you really aren't going to answer any of my questions? What a magnificent troll you are :thumbsup

Edit: Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

Not sure why i have this intense fascination with peoples denial. Denial that comes at a an obvious direct and significant cost to the individual.

No. I'm not.

1. The Topic isn't "Signupdamnit will justify himself to everyone who disagrees with him and doesn't like his posts." It's about documenting the decline of the industry using published sources and I think I've done that.

2. You asked the same "questions" six months ago and then again about a year before that. When I post a topic or something you don't like you come on here and whine about me and try to make me justify myself to you because "Boohoo - you don't like what I'm posting". Even when I stop posting my own words and use the words of credible industry sources you are still whining. Like I say in my sig "Fuck off. I'll post what I want". I try to be diplomatic but it gets to the point where that isn't possible. Just fuck off.

3. Your personal opinions on why you love tubes are meaningless to me. I don't trust you. I don't like you. I don't care if you think Pornhub is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Post some credible sources refuting all the sources I've posted and then I'll give what you say consideration. Show the industry to be in a growth phase still. Show that the tubes are helping our business. Just do something other than calling me a whining asshole troll or whatever it is this time.

So in other words, you can call out everyone to prove their opinion with ratios and numbers - while you yourself refuse to give out anything of actual value. And at the same time expect to be taken seriously, while reserving the right to say: "Fuck off ignore me!" to anyone that doesn't agree with you. Okay then :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

And I am not the one whining here, you are, all the time. I also never ever claimed that the industry was in growth or that tubes help the business overall. I said that my business was in growth and that tubes are one tool in the toolbox that I can use to help my business. Get it right please.

Yes. That's exactly it, Markul. The dozen or so articles from industry and mainstream news sources which I have provided excerpts and links to is me refusing to give anything of value.

So you came to the thread to brag and piss with me but not to actually discuss the topic or provide counter evidence?

Fuck off already, Markul. :)

sorry, but once again - those articles mostly focus on US-based/DVD (offline) centered companies

like
selling flash drives? seriously?

besides that - Fleshdrive is Mallcom and as far I remember, they owe money to a lot of people. Just ask Roald when he was with Freeones (amusingly enough they still have Freeones as one of their main headers)

And when I tried to get in touch with them years ago, they didnt even have the courtesy to reply

and thats the people that complain about the business going down

:error :error

Yeah I'm sure if you nitpick every article you'll find something small wrong or something to ridicule, comment on a typo, etc. I'm not saying every article is perfect. But overall it seems the trend is clear to those who wish to see.

Ignorance is a bliss I guess. Show us your numbers. You are asking others to show theirs all the time, so why dont you start? :winkwink:

"Fuck off Markul."

so when you expect that everyone agrees with you, why bother coming here and post?

Female friendly? ... faced with declining sales pornographers turn to female audience.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life...1117-iji1.html

He has this odd, manic drive to rationalize his own failure. Thats why he isn't interested in anything that contradicts the pre-determined narrative "everything is bad and only getting worse".

I am posting while working on PPC campaigns. He is posting while looking for more articles to twist to prove his narrative correct.

Imagine where your company would be if you woke up each day with that attitude. It's interesting to watch. A guy devotes his life to failure, proving failure, dissecting failure, ranting about failure, obsessing on failure... then can't figure out why he's failing. If he's not blaming tubes, he's accusing programs of stealing from him.

No I agreed with you. Like I said I'm sure if you nitpick the two dozen articles you will find a typo, something silly in them, etc. But the trend overall is clear.

i start to think you are Paul Markham - he also likes to put words into other peoples mouths

no one cares.

That's why you are replying and the same people always come in to bicker when such information gets posted. :)

If you say so Paul :1orglaugh

It makes more sense for them to defend an industry that they make a living on, than it does for you to go on and on about an industry that you claim to have moved on from.

I just do it because I can't let affiliates know there is no more money!

As I said many times before I am still in the industry. I just do no further work with pay sites as an affiliate as there is no future in it given the state of the industry and piracy/free content.

Lying and pretending you have a 12 inch dick doesn't make it true. You can't defend the industry by pretending. When you do that you are only hurting it.

What I am posting is the truth. If someone wants to refute it, please do. But you can't do that by calling me names or questioning my motives and making snide comments. At least I won't accept that.

How about proving that for us all ?

I shouldn't have to (the thousands of industry posts I've made should prove it) and shouldn't even be responding but I guess I can scan in a check or something with the personal information blacked out. The only thing is if I do that you have to agree to pay $100 for every post you made in this thread + every future post (so you have to pay $100 each time you post here in this topic) to the charity of my choice within 72 hours and provide a receipt. Deal?

I think I know what will happen you will go on and on bickering about things with this and it'll never be good enough. So I think I'm playing into the troll but I'll offer you the chance here. Yes or no?

Hahaha you must be joking. Why would I want to see a check? Show me a site of yours. And no. I will not pay for it lol. Just show us all that you actually do something other than whine.

Then it looks like you believe I'm in the industry after all.