No not really. I do believe you are not "all there" though. Show us a site or GTFO ;)

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love...ng-pornography

Lot's of people care, the Tube Boys themselves more than anyone.

Thing is, the latter will never admit there's a problem and, with a few exceptions, no one else offers a viable solution that doesn't entail rolling around in the dung heap with the same scumbags that brought all of this about in the first place.
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You would do well to see an eye doc and get that tunnel vision of yours checked out. Left untreated such conditions can be very debilitating.

The articles the OP has posted speak for themselves and the credentials of the authors thereof are a matter of public record.

Perhaps you might want to consider attempting to actually like, you know, read one of them.

Don't worry.. if you wait until you're alone first, no one will see your lips moving.
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I just realized i still have niftstats installed on a computer and it has a couple sponsors i use still entered and still working and downloading stats. I wasn't keen on the idea of posting stats from systems people would recognize.

Thats 2014 (as the date shows) and you can't just put a fake date because when you change it in niftystats, it automatically changes the time period and downloads the stats for that period.

So anyway... there you go. Some basic stats from a fraction of the programs I work with... for 2 1/2 months only.

So yeah... clearly its all over in 2014.

The primary difference between myself and others is that where you see failure, i see opportunity. Where you see decline, i see competition dropping off, creating more opportunity. Where you see an endless barrage of reasons not to continue, I see only opportunity. Where you busy yourself trying to convince yourself and others that its over, i busy myself planning my next move and growing what I have or enjoying my time with the people I care about.

The honest truth is that i've been insanely lazy so far this year. I took a MASSIVE hit in January and realized I was getting really burned out. I am only now starting to recover from it. Even with that major setback and really just fucking off and neglecting things, i still made more in a couple months than you will make online in years.

Your future is shaped by you and you alone...not by the actions of others. Not tube sites. Not piratebay.se. Not TGPs. Not brazzers.... but you. You should spend your time reading the Art of War rather than archaic articles written by non industry people and failed companies full of fabricated facts and blatantly wrong statements.

When you focus your thoughts on growth and success, that becomes the new prism through which you judge the world. When you focus on failure and why you are failing and that you will fail in the future, you've doomed yourself.

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Wow. Thanks for finally putting something up after insulting everyone else. You're talking more like a human now too which I appreciate. Not bad stats at all assuming they are really yours but very weird stats there. 1:256 overall? 1:9, 1:7, 1:133 with 55 chargebacks on 189 new sales and 470 rebills? I cannot even imagine what it is you might be doing. :) It doesn't look like paysites that much is certain...

Aww how cute, yet you totally missed my point (s) :)

FTFY xxx :thumbsup

Hahaha, did this nights and weekend loser just pretend to speak for "this forum"?:1orglaugh

Well let me speak for the industry, loser.
Go get a job, we don't consider what you do "working in the industry"

(with thanks to GFY user DVTimes)

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/251...ut-of-business

lol, I make ruffly what I made 5 years ago per k I have, nothign has changed.

Stop crying and evovle... Back in the really old days, people were bitching about tgps giving away free pictures, when we was used to be able to only put up banner farms and make a killing... then we thought the world was going under when mgps with free movies came online.. same story all over again and again and again... and ill bet when the next new thing comes the tube sites owners will bitch about virtual reality when no one wants to watch free porn online anymore but wants a virtual reality experince with porn...

Develop your business and adapt to the future...

They are doing it in every other industry also...

This babbling is still going on ?

Any updates?

The fact that so many people rush in to call signupdamnit a loser says a lot.

It tells us that there is an urge to CRUSH anyone who speaks ill of tubes or the industry's decline.

If nobody truly cared then nobody would reply. For example, I don't really care about most of the gfy posts that are tabloid-like. They have catchy and controversial titles but I'm not wasting my time with them. I move on and look for business threads.

But why when threads like this are started do you see the same people coming in and HAVING to counter it with such zeal? Why not ignore it if it's no big deal?

Not only that but the OP is also ridiculed and made to look like a loser? Why so?

He's not saying he can't be successful. He's talking about paysite joins. In another thread people like Ja$son, L-Pink and Robbie all agreed that paysite sales were on life support and nobody argued that.

It must be threatening to someone ...

You're making the mistake most online people make. Penthouse, Hustler, Vivid, and Private, etc. Weren't the money makers in porn. They were the production sector. The money was in the shops.

Yes Playboy turned over three hundred million a year. Selling their magazines to shops who put a 300% mark up on it.

Are your figures based on people looking at Tube videos, or those that actually click an advert?

I remember a big porn company boasting they were converting 1-35,000 views into a join.

OK, so when porn will no longer be produced, where these so called illegal tube sites will get content from?

As long as there are Hetro males who have erection "sex" will "sell". Period

The people who don't know how to find a free tube. Aren't worth worrying about. They will just type in free porn tube and get it.

And the decline will continue. It's all about the moving market and how it effects our surfers. For every 80 year old who drops off the chart, back in the day an 18 year old replaced him. Now that 18 year old is programmed by culture to get it for free. Be it recorded porn or cams. Plus as I said in my thread dating has never been easier so the trough of single guys is smaller.

Only a return to B/W prices of 2005 will save porn from further decline. So look at your skills set, the general market and where the two fit in the mainstream online sector. While keeping doing what you are doing.

I'm glad I had 30+ years and the sense to adapt.

lol nice bump.

At this point I'm not sure if the media considers the decline of porn to be news anymore. But I'm sure there have been lots of articles since this was last updated. I also think even back then 90% of the people reading this knew it already. You'd have to be pretty stubborn to read all these sources and think they were lies.

That is why I tried to stick to posting news from mainstream sources and from big shots in the industry. In retrospect I should have totally ignored the comments and just continued posting articles. :)

I think in many cases it was just a case of shooting the messenger. People didn't like hearing that it's going to be harder than ever for them to make their next million in porn. In other cases the people involved had skin in the game where say they were trying to get new affiliates and here I was (in their eyes) telling their potential affiliates that for the most part they should not bother.

Whatever though. Like I said in the other post I think most of us agree now. It's water under the bridge.

As I recall it was unique views (not clicks) and that was just an estimate. The point was though that it seems to me that a lot of people in our industry believe these tubes are doing far more money than they probably really are doing. If you plug in some reasonable monetization numbers and figure it up with their actual traffic figures it becomes a bit underwhelming. It's a great profit for one company. Don't get me wrong. But when you consider that we're talking about 50%+ of all porn surfers then the numbers are just peanuts. I think us old timers would expect a lot more money from having so many eyes. But this (with the tubes) is the new reality.

"you wanna suck 12 click's dick?"

What is this? the thread of doom?

Almost ! They all lost money on the actual sales of the magazines, they made their money from the advertising inside the pages

Good point. I buy DVDs wholesale from $1.00 to $8.00 and sell them for $25 to $30. I see those same videos in the stores for as high as $50.

Yes and No.

The market will correct itself.

Tubes and Paysites in general will experience a decrease in visitation due to a likewise cumulative disinterest in porn free and paid for. Some of each will fold their tents. There will be a redistribution of traffic.

To give away free porn or not to give away free porn; that will be the question across a more leveled playing field.

Brazzers and Porn Hub are the reason, I dont hate them, just a fact if you know the history

A better estimate would be 1-10 uniques clicking on an advert, even that's a bit high. Tubes are going nowhere though. Their cost of running, has to climb before anything changes.

I'm talking about the revenue in the shop, not the producers.

Everyone online compared their retail sales, with offline wholesale or production sales. :upsidedow

No and No.

The only question is. Can Tubes afford to give it away to get 1-10 to click on an advert. So they can sell it for $0.00025. If the return on traffic drops below the costs, then there maybe a chance. But I wouldn't base a career on it.

The locusts who don't know how to sell anything because they only comprehend high volume will move on to bigger and better investments before such a tipping point is reached. So expect more consolidation as some of those smaller potatoes sell out to the bigger spuds like Mindgeek.

Those that do have salesmanship skills will begin to experiment with actually selling porn again.

pre-recorded porn is dead / dying yes. tubes are just the symptom not the cause.

no point looking at a video when anyone can get the real thing off pof, tinder, cl, backpage, cam shows and so on.

technology and society changed. deal with it.

wrong.


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Why so?

I'm not saying I disagree with you but I'd just like to know your thoughts on why.

Because the convenience of a quick wank on a video will beat the time to score with an actual girl any time.

Also 9 out of 10 people don't care about cams either. Sure lots of money in cams and sure pay site sales might be in a downfall (for a lot of companies) but to say pre-recorded porn is dead is just wrong.

Just my :2 cents:

From what I have seen.

Seems to be that the new porn producers are small with simple clips4sale stores. Usually have partner programs with the major tubes, probably a good way to advertise and maybe a fast lane to get their stolen content down. Custom videos usually leaning towards taboo topics. (ex. taboodiaries, cockninja).

They have short preview vids and their stolen videos are probably getting zapped fairly quick.

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The social trend in dating is causing a drop in young people needing porn for a quick wank. Even then for the odd times they do, they won't be joining.

I've a 13 year old daughter. Her classmates are 13/14 just. Some are dating. By the time they have credit cards, most will be in or between relationships, nearly all will be sexually active. So the need to "rub one out quick" will have dropped considerably. The need to pay for has gone for most of your target market.

This is your next big hit. Will it be big enough to make Tubes selling traffic unprofitable?????

This could be a balancing effect.

Who was the last big paysite company to launch?

What was the last big paysite to launch that wasn't just a new tour of the same style content, with an older paysite being put out to pasture?

Blacked.com?
Tushy.com?

Interesting post. What are some of your favorite heatmap tools?