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Ramster 03-26-2014 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jódete (Post 20028226)
thought ya had a temp biz model in mind. y dont ya post what u wanna do ???? - cant c u sittin in the back givin a company reign 2 your hard earned resources n reputation. u aint gonna let that happen.

do something with gunner/m60 machine gunner , hes got the reputation , powerlifter , lookin 4work , jus tell em 2 watch the fake ids. :1orglaugh wheres kim from atk ???? ernesto , ppl from the nasty group ???? dean capture ???? ur old twistys crew , common man u got contacts n resources.

Sure I could build another Twistys, Michael as well, especially with Shap's help and it would run smoothly but Shap himself said he doesn't want to get into a start up situation if he can avoid it which of course is what that would be. Similar with everyone else mentioned, starting from scratch requires a cash outlay with no guarantee of return and definitely no return for months or even a year or more.

Shap has capital and with that dishing money out of pocket knowing he's going to be pulling in $X per month from it is more what he seems to be looking for... I would guess.

Shap 03-26-2014 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramster (Post 20028548)
Sure I could build another Twistys, Michael as well, especially with Shap's help and it would run smoothly but Shap himself said he doesn't want to get into a start up situation if he can avoid it which of course is what that would be. Similar with everyone else mentioned, starting from scratch requires a cash outlay with no guarantee of return and definitely no return for months or even a year or more.

Shap has capital and with that dishing money out of pocket knowing he's going to be pulling in $X per month from it is more what he seems to be looking for... I would guess.

I agree 100%. As the saying goes we could get the band back together pretty quickly. That said there's no point in doing something half assed. If you start a paysite from scratch you start it and you fuckin kill it. Just like JT did. He had the money went balls to the wall and smashed it. That's the way to do it. To do it that way you need to really throw down the money at the beginning and get everything in place properly. It wouldn't be cheap. It wouldn't even be guaranteed. It would be a big ass job. If I were to make that type of investment, both financially and physically, I'd want it to be something else. I couldn't go through the start up phase of a paysite company again. It's a bitch. For that level of investment I'd rather try my hand at mainstream and fail horribly but have something to say I did in mainstream.


Another thing I'm not interested in is running a company from the get go and being responsible for all the paperwork, the legal, the accounting, basically the core infrastructure. Not many people realize just how much paperwork we had at Twistys. I think it was an entire truckload just of 2257 papers. Absolute insanity.

To get back into adult I have to find something fun. Everything above is not fun.


I think the best way to put is probably the way my wife has described the idea of having another child. She'd love to snap her fingers and have a 7 year old but doesn't have the energy or desire to go through pregnancy and baby phase again.

You get to a certain age or certain point in life where the pregnancy and baby phase is something you've gladly done and enjoyed but have no desire to do it again. That's how I feel.

Shap 03-26-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 20027011)
Yo how many miles you running per day?

Btw my secret is tennis :winkwink: I don't run or jog. I just play tennis daily and a few workouts here and there and chase after the kids. The result is double the activity you do :thumbsup

Relentless 03-26-2014 02:50 PM

Sounds like you want to be a corporate stepfather. Make a VC site offering to stepfather companies that are beyond the point of incubation. StepFarther.com ;)

kane 03-26-2014 03:07 PM

Good luck on whatever you decide to do. I'm sure it will be a success.

The Porn Nerd 03-26-2014 04:44 PM

The better question for you Shap is: what did you ENJOY doing before and want to do again? If the answer is 'nothing' then you're looking for something else in adult to do, and you know very well what those opportunities may be:

1. cams
2. dating
3. hosting, traffic, ad spots (infrastructure/B2B)

Anything else you said you wouldn't want to do (shoot content, build a tube, run a paysite) or basically anything you did before and exceled at. So it sounds like you want something NEW but then ask yourself this: does the experience you had before with building/running Twistys/Sextube translate into something you've never done before? If not then what are the chances of succeeding with whatever it is you try that's "new"?

In today's Adult climate there are very few options for million dollar ideas. It seems to me that you could do what you said JT did well - and then only participate in those aspects that you enjoy. The #1 problem you are going to have - and this is true of anyone who's a "self-made man" like you are - is switching to an Investor. Your instincts will be to run everything (even tho you said you don't want to do that). To avoid this pitfall the common wisdom is to invest in several projects at once (3-5), this way you cannot 'control' everything but merely invest and lend expertise when needed.

Good luck with whatever you choose but try investing in some smaller projects first before going full-in with someone whose idea may cost six figures or more.

TheSquealer 03-26-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20028119)
To be honest I have thought about that. As my posts probably indicate I like helping people. My thinking was to first look to see if there was a bigger opportunity available.

How would you set up a mentor/partnering service? What is the compensation? What is expected in return? What are the terms?

As an example let's say you and I work together. I can come up with a list of 10 things right off the bat that would change your business for the better. Whether you have thought about them or not doesn't matter what's more important is your ability to implement them. Can you? The reality of most smaller operations is they don't have the ability to implement the changes necessary to make strides towards growing. A great example is Porn Nerd. He busts his ass. He's a one man show and is doing his best to make money. He does a great job imo. He's honest and hard working. I could give him ideas all day long but he can't implement them. How do you work that situation out?

Never marry someone in business that you are not in love with and not fully committed to. Divorces are always messy. In business partnerships, they are almost inevitable and as usual, only the lawyers win in the end.
:)

As for consulting.... the total number of people that NEED help is always huge. The total number of those within that group which CAN be helped will be always astonishingly small. My view is that most people that are failing, are failing because of their personality, not a lack of information or expertise.

If you laid out a clear business plan to go from zero to $100,000 a month based on a proven formula/system that's been done a 1000 times with similar results, next to no one can or will follow it and see those same results. Their personalities will take over... They will pick and choose what they like and don't like for whatever reason, they ultimately do things their own way, fail and then blame the system/plan and the "stupid asshole" that gave it to them.
JMHO

jódete 03-26-2014 06:06 PM

yo ya still got all that goal tending equipment ???? net , pucks , pads , sticks or ja leave it in the bahamas ????
ya miss that bahama view , ur family happy in eu or ya wanna be bck in montreal ????

LatinCams 03-26-2014 07:23 PM

Would you take in consideration an offshore proposition ?
Are you also looking to invest $$$ in case theres a good idea ?

Shap 03-27-2014 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LatinCams (Post 20029152)
Would you take in consideration an offshore proposition ?
Are you also looking to invest $$$ in case theres a good idea ?

Both are possible

jódete 03-27-2014 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20028569)
Another thing I'm not interested in is running a company from the get go and being responsible for all the paperwork, the legal, the accounting, basically the core infrastructure. Not many people realize just how much paperwork we had at Twistys. I think it was an entire truckload just of 2257 papers. Absolute insanity.


Shap 03-27-2014 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jódete (Post 20029569)

This is classic! Love it! Thanks.

Btw I spent the past 3 months working on that. It was a no go :Oh crap not for sale.

Shap 03-27-2014 07:39 AM

Your videos are AWESOME! I LOVE IT! I watched them all. LOVE IT.

jódete 03-27-2014 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20029583)
Your videos are AWESOME! I LOVE IT! I watched them all. LOVE IT.

thx man :thumbsup


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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20029576)
This is classic! Love it! Thanks.

Btw I spent the past 3 months working on that. It was a no go :Oh crap not for sale.


wanna laugh , mindgeek nick , another1 on antihistamine.
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20012486&postcount=23

Pipecrew 03-27-2014 09:08 AM

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Jman 03-27-2014 09:13 AM

CrakShap... gotta good ring to it ;)

Shap 03-27-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pipecrew (Post 20029677)

broken image

Shap 03-27-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jódete (Post 20029661)
wanna laugh , mindgeek nick , another1 on antihistamine.
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20012486&postcount=23

:thumbsup:thumbsup I have a few things up my sleeve. It all will take a few months to come to fruition but you are on the right track for sure :)

Shap 03-27-2014 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jman (Post 20029679)
CrakShap... gotta good ring to it ;)

;)

When did you join Brain? How'd Fred?

Far-L 03-27-2014 05:09 PM

homegrown shap?
 
Ok, just for the sake of discussion, say a company of our size, with the brand loyalty we possess, the sales channels we are in on and offline, the acumen we have developed from years of experience, and the resources we sit on in terms of content, personnel, etc., our longevity, mainstream press accolades, etc., stepped up here, would that be worth consideration?

I get the feeling that you would be way more interested in something that harnesses mutually compatible skills and resources, not just shelling out to make someone else a ton of cash while you assume a ton of risk.

I come from the standpoint where parties that are equal and self sufficient form much better relationships than deals where one side assumes all the work or pays all the burdens unequally.

Thoughts?

Just for the record, I am not fishing for a deal, but I am always open to discussion so use this post as a vehicle to provide more feedback and insight into what you are looking for.

Juicy D. Links 03-27-2014 05:13 PM

100 Steps !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am creepingg on u Shappppppppppp

Jel 03-27-2014 05:18 PM

I emailed, so only fair to bump as well for more ideas/possible opportunities for you :thumbsup

bean-aid 03-27-2014 11:34 PM

Hi Shap,

I emailed. I was the guy who thought there was a *huge* market for steering people in the right direction of billing.

And it is a *huge* market.

wizzart 03-28-2014 12:36 AM

I will send you email later today.

Shap 03-28-2014 02:01 AM

Don't worry if you haven't received an email reply yet. I will.

Nurgle 03-28-2014 03:00 AM

i hear twistys need some help :)

Grapesoda 03-28-2014 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20030480)
Don't worry if you haven't received an email reply yet. I will.

http://franthony.com/wp-content/uplo...11/waiting.png

Ramster 03-28-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurgle (Post 20030516)
i hear twistys need some help :)

You should apply, you know Twistys better than most people :thumbsup

Femjoy Michael 03-28-2014 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nurgle (Post 20030516)
i hear twistys need some help :)

This is the best one!

wehateporn 03-28-2014 09:22 AM

I'd say Playboy would greatly benefit from having you on board! :2 cents:

Far-L 03-28-2014 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20030859)
I'd say Playboy would greatly benefit from having you on board! :2 cents:

That kind of does have a ring to it.:thumbsup

The Porn Nerd 03-28-2014 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20030859)
I'd say Playboy would greatly benefit from having you on board! :2 cents:

Shap is kinda like the new Hugh Hefner anyway, isn't he? I've never met him in person but this is how I picture him, and always with a bathrobe on and a pipe. Even when he plays tennis. :thumbsup

Mutt 03-28-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Femjoy Michael (Post 20030852)
This is the best one!

Looks like Femjoy/Joymii could use Shap's help. Paysite model is dead, I like Shap but dead is dead, best that can be done is squeezing whatever can be squeezed out of the dying beast.

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=340...9&u=femjoy.com

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=340...9&u=joymii.com

Shap 03-28-2014 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20030859)
I'd say Playboy would greatly benefit from having you on board! :2 cents:

Manwin/Mindgeek runs all of that right?

signupdamnit 03-28-2014 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20030896)
Looks like Femjoy/Joymii could use Shap's help. Paysite model is dead, I like Shap but dead is dead, best that can be done is squeezing whatever can be squeezed out of the dying beast.

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=340...9&u=femjoy.com

http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=340...9&u=joymii.com

Amazing to hear this from you unless I miss something but I agree with you.

That said it would make a great challenge for Shap.

Shap 03-28-2014 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20030924)
Amazing to hear this from you unless I miss something but I agree with you.

That said it would make a great challenge for Shap.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

adultmobile 03-28-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20030896)
Paysite model is dead

Is this official? There is no general consensus yet :)

Maraschino 03-28-2014 12:07 PM

From my perspective, I think it will be fascinating to watch you build something from scratch or build an existing property even bigger then it is already, especially knowing that most of your previous success was built on many years of "old school" techniques.

I enjoy reading your "New Year" threads and especially like that you make yourself available here. Best of luck in whatever comes your way! :thumbsup

BareBacked 03-28-2014 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20030246)
Ok, just for the sake of discussion, say a company of our size, with the brand loyalty we possess, the sales channels we are in on and offline, the acumen we have developed from years of experience, and the resources we sit on in terms of content, personnel, etc., our longevity, mainstream press accolades, etc., stepped up here, would that be worth consideration?

I get the feeling that you would be way more interested in something that harnesses mutually compatible skills and resources, not just shelling out to make someone else a ton of cash while you assume a ton of risk.

I come from the standpoint where parties that are equal and self sufficient form much better relationships than deals where one side assumes all the work or pays all the burdens unequally.

Thoughts?

Just for the record, I am not fishing for a deal, but I am always open to discussion so use this post as a vehicle to provide more feedback and insight into what you are looking for.


You missed your calling .politician or lawyer bro

Far-L 03-29-2014 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BareBacked (Post 20031103)
You missed your calling .politician or lawyer bro

Ya, I was ineligible for either. They said I wasn't Tall-tale enough.:winkwink:


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