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_Richard_ 04-14-2014 08:14 AM

so fascism is in full swing.. wonderful.

just a punk 04-14-2014 08:22 AM

The Ukrainian army on a march, a scary power: http://translate.google.com/translat...bli-49124.html

crockett 04-14-2014 08:22 AM

Something to take note of, if Ukraine captures any Russian soldiers they can legally treat and convict them as terrorists and do not have have to follow the Geneva convention laws pertaining g to captured soldiers. The Russians are not wearing identifiable uniforms and as such they forfeit their rights to be treated as solders.

Laws on terrorism are pretty strict these days and any Russian soldiers caught will be pretty fucked if Ukraine chooses to play that card. This is why Ukraine has every right to legally call them terrorists.

_Richard_ 04-14-2014 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049216)
Something to take note of, if Ukraine captures any Russian soldiers they can legally treat and convict them as terrorists and do not have have to follow the Geneva convention laws pertaining g to captured soldiers. The Russians are not wearing identifiable uniforms and as such they forfeit their rights to be treated as solders.

Laws on terrorism are pretty strict these days and any Russian soldiers caught will be pretty fucked if Ukraine chooses to play that card. This is what Ukraine has every right to legally call them terrorists.

so since the population is 50% russian, that's basically everyone?

just a punk 04-14-2014 08:26 AM

Ruskie terrorist grandmas in Slaviansk:



Waiting to see as "Ukraine is shooting these ruskie terrorists" like it was announced by OP.

Paul&John 04-14-2014 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20049221)
so since the population is 50% russian, that's basically everyone?

Not really, because half of the population isn't running around with assault rifles :D

So these two aren't ordinary citizens:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlFvRDeIgAE-We6.jpg
https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/...248832/photo/1

just a punk 04-14-2014 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049216)
Something to take note of, if Ukraine captures any Russian soldiers they can legally treat and convict them as terrorists and do not have have to follow the Geneva convention laws pertaining g to captured soldiers.

Sure thing. But for some mysterious reason during all these days they were unable to capture a single one. Magic in the air...

:)

evy97 04-14-2014 08:33 AM

according Kiev:
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terrorist storming police station in #Horlivka earlier today
https://twitter.com/Kateryna_Kruk/st...18362484842496

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlL9dbUCIAAKrVV.jpg

just a punk 04-14-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John (Post 20049232)

And who they are? To me they look like professional clowns (Russian military spec ops won't pose on camera holding a gun like a stupid gangsta from a low-budget Hollywood movie).

If you didn't know, a lot of armories (military, SBU, police etc) were plundered on the Ukraine. Furthermore, even police officers are joining the people of the East. I have posted a video to this thread already - just watch it :2 cents:

directfiesta 04-14-2014 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049216)
Something to take note of, if Ukraine captures any Russian soldiers they can legally treat and convict them as terrorists and do not have have to follow the Geneva convention laws pertaining g to captured soldiers. The Russians are not wearing identifiable uniforms and as such they forfeit their rights to be treated as solders.

Laws on terrorism are pretty strict these days and any Russian soldiers caught will be pretty fucked if Ukraine chooses to play that card. This is why Ukraine has every right to legally call them terrorists.

So, in Syria , the USA are funding, arming, supporting terrorists ... Against a legit Army ?

crockett 04-14-2014 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20049221)
so since the population is 50% russian, that's basically everyone?

No the ones taking over the govt buildings and carrying AK100's which are obviously supplied by Russia and used by their solders. Russia Denys it's their troops they are not wearing Russian uniforms so they can be tried and treated as terrorists. That means no rights granted by the Geneva convention, Ukraine can lock them away for as long as they want and even parade them around in front of the world media and wait for one of their Russian moms to see it on TV and come forward telling the world her little Ivan was a good boy in the Russian army not a terrorist..

Sid70 04-14-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20049221)
so since the population is 50% russian, that's basically everyone?

The population consists of the Ukrainian citizens.

_Richard_ 04-14-2014 09:06 AM

personally, i like the trick on how a protestor in a government building is 'democractic' on one end of the country, and 'terrorism' on another

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20049270)
The population consists of the Ukrainian citizens.

oh? from where i am sitting, it seems to be a group of western funded fascists, and everybody else.

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049269)
No the ones taking over the govt buildings and carrying AK100's which are obviously supplied by Russia and used by their solders. Russia Denys it's their troops they are not wearing Russian uniforms so they can be tried and treated as terrorists. That means no rights granted by the Geneva convention, Ukraine can lock them away for as long as they want and even parade them around in front of the world media and wait for one of their Russian moms to see it on TV and come forward telling the world her little Ivan was a good boy in the Russian army not a terrorist..

sure they can.. they can do whatever they want. that's what criminals have the benefit of.

rights aren't something that can be taken away.

crockett 04-14-2014 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20049264)
So, in Syria , the USA are funding, arming, supporting terrorists ... Against a legit Army ?

The insurgents in Syria openly call them selfs a army. They have a clear rank structure with commanders in charge. These are things required by the Geneva convention of a army in conflict. So no as far as world law in considered they are not terrorists. The insurgents in Syria fall more under milita rules as it's a civil war where people rose up against the govt. They don't have to be in uniform but they have to openly carry their weapons.

The difference is they are part of a "known" army and are identified as such, in Ukraine there is no identification of who these thugs are. They claim they are random citizens that just happened to be carrying Russian military weapons, and just happen to show up at all the right times and places but are no part of any known or claim to be part of a army. This makes them terrorist.

crockett 04-14-2014 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20049281)
personally, i like the trick on how a protestor in a government building is 'democractic' on one end of the country, and 'terrorism' on another



oh? from where i am sitting, it seems to be a group of western funded fascists, and everybody else.



sure they can.. they can do whatever they want. that's what criminals have the benefit of.

rights aren't something that can be taken away.

Terrorists have no rights under the Geneva convention it does not protect them. This is why the US gets away with holding Taliban in Cuba for as long as they want.

_Richard_ 04-14-2014 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049302)
Terrorists have no rights under the Geneva convention it does not protect them. This is why the US gets away with holding Taliban in Cuba for as long as they want.

right. of course. we must have missed that amendment in any of our constitutions

the part where a special group of citizens do not get any rights at all.

directfiesta 04-14-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049296)
The insurgents in Syria openly call them selfs a army. They have a clear rank structure with commanders in charge. These are things required by the Geneva convention of a army in conflict. So no as far as world law in considered they are not terrorists. The insurgents in Syria fall more under milita rules as it's a civil war where people rose up against the govt. They don't have to be in uniform but they have to openly carry their weapons.

The difference is they are part of a "known" army and are identified as such, in Ukraine there is no identification of who these thugs are. They claim they are random citizens that just happened to be carrying Russian military weapons, and just happen to show up at all the right times and places but are no part of any known or claim to be part of a army. This makes them terrorist.

Pretty much all bs ... Just to fit your agenda .
They have no structure in Syria, as shown when they fight against each others ... Anyway, you win .

femdomdestiny 04-14-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049296)
The insurgents in Syria openly call them selfs a army. They have a clear rank structure with commanders in charge. These are things required by the Geneva convention of a army in conflict. So no as far as world law in considered they are not terrorists. The insurgents in Syria fall more under milita rules as it's a civil war where people rose up against the govt. They don't have to be in uniform but they have to openly carry their weapons.

The difference is they are part of a "known" army and are identified as such, in Ukraine there is no identification of who these thugs are. They claim they are random citizens that just happened to be carrying Russian military weapons, and just happen to show up at all the right times and places but are no part of any known or claim to be part of a army. This makes them terrorist.

but yet, in Kosovo, they stopped being terrorists over night and got all support they need.

femdomdestiny 04-14-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049269)
No the ones taking over the govt buildings and carrying AK100's which are obviously supplied by Russia and used by their solders. Russia Denys it's their troops they are not wearing Russian uniforms so they can be tried and treated as terrorists. That means no rights granted by the Geneva convention, Ukraine can lock them away for as long as they want and even parade them around in front of the world media and wait for one of their Russian moms to see it on TV and come forward telling the world her little Ivan was a good boy in the Russian army not a terrorist..

And it was OK when same happened in Maydan? Then,they were not terrorists but protesters? On the other hand Janukovic was trying to save country from chaos and never ordered what Turchinov ordered today.

dehash 04-14-2014 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 20048359)
And why is it not legal ? Because the west says it aint ? Its up to local regions to decide who they want to rule them and if it means breaking up Ukrain so be it . It would stop a lot of bloodshed because this will end up like the Yugoslavian war if it continues with ethnic fighting between the two sides.

What if Miami decide to do referendum and join Cuba?

crockett 04-14-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20049305)
right. of course. we must have missed that amendment in any of our constitutions

the part where a special group of citizens do not get any rights at all.

I didn't say they don't have any rights.. I said they don't get rights granted to them as a soldier.. They instead can be charged as terrorists. Example at the end of a war the soldiers would have to be released. Terrorist don't.

crockett 04-14-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20049477)
Pretty much all bs ... Just to fit your agenda .
They have no structure in Syria, as shown when they fight against each others ... Anyway, you win .

There are different groups in Syria. There are the jihadist from outside countries mostly and then there are rebels fighting the govt. The jihadist attack both sides..

Also please tell me what my agenda is? I think Russia is clearly involved in this and is completely in the wrong. Is that a secret agenda or opinion? Is your opinion also a agenda?

Sexier 04-14-2014 11:29 AM

I heard Russian tanks have crossed the border near Luhansk, anyone have news regarding this?

_Richard_ 04-14-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20049532)
I didn't say they don't have any rights.. I said they don't get rights granted to them as a soldier.. They instead can be charged as terrorists. Example at the end of a war the soldiers would have to be released. Terrorist don't.

yep, and entirely on the hearsay of the soldiers doing the arresting.

we have been here before

Sid70 04-14-2014 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20049281)
personally, i like the trick on how a protestor in a government building is 'democractic' on one end of the country, and 'terrorism' on another



oh? from where i am sitting, it seems to be a group of western funded fascists, and everybody else.



.

May be i read you incorrectly, who do you call western funded fascists?

MrTrollkien 04-14-2014 11:41 AM

I do not follow news, so I can not say much about this case but I am curious how it will end up.

_Richard_ 04-14-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20049555)
May be i read you incorrectly, who do you call western funded fascists?

the dudes wearing nazi-like armbands, destroying monuments, and attacking everyone who doesn't agree with them?

Sid70 04-14-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20049560)
the dudes wearing nazi-like armbands, destroying monuments, and attacking everyone who doesn't agree with them?

Fuck knows, I'd call them hooligans, Nazies is way way different. There are no Nazies in Ukraine that anyone could consider a real force, that 'Nazi' level can be found anywhere, I'd say that imperial Russia is a host of Russian Nazism.

femdomdestiny 04-14-2014 11:52 AM

Oh...ok, then we are all blind here and hallucinating.

meanwhile


http://cdn.rt.com/files/news/25/35/80/00/uecard.si.jpg

http://rt.com/business/russian-banks...ampaign=chrome

Sid70 04-14-2014 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20049573)

Did you mean something to contradict a Nazi thing?

Sexier 04-14-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20049573)

Those can be used worldwide or only in Russia?

Sid70 04-14-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexier (Post 20049601)
Those can be used worldwide or only in Russia?

I believe Russia only.

_Richard_ 04-14-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 20049563)
Fuck knows, I'd call them hooligans, Nazies is way way different. There are no Nazies in Ukraine that anyone could consider a real force, that 'Nazi' level can be found anywhere, I'd say that imperial Russia is a host of Russian Nazism.

odd that they'd be coming from west to east, rather than the other way around.

just a punk 04-14-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dehash (Post 20049511)
What if Miami decide to do referendum and join Cuba?

Then we'll see if the US democracy is real or it's just a fake and fairytale :winkwink:

directfiesta 04-14-2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dehash (Post 20049511)
What if Miami decide to do referendum and join Cuba?

hummm... lets flip that :

What if Cuba had a referendum and wanted to join the USA ?

evy97 04-14-2014 01:01 PM

Interesting evening:

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#Euromaidan activists are discussing whether to storm #Ukraine's parliament and bring down what they perceive as a corrupt/failing govt

https://twitter.com/StateOfUkraine/s...96807474622464

just a punk 04-14-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20049708)

Every time when you don't understand what's going on and when you don't know what to do, always burn tires, storm parliament and overthrow your government! :1orglaugh

P.S. Ukrainians surely deserved to be a part of the EU :winkwink:

MrDeiz 04-14-2014 02:19 PM

Donetsk region guerillas have killed 10 ruskie or proruskie militaries at blockpost

VKcams 04-14-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDeiz (Post 20049829)
Donetsk region guerillas have killed 10 ruskie or proruskie militaries at blockpost

They killed 1 disarmed armenian.

youtube.com/watch?v=Lyxh0AZBLvg

_Richard_ 04-14-2014 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VKcams (Post 20049916)
They killed 1 disarmed armenian.

youtube.com/watch?v=Lyxh0AZBLvg

cliff notes?


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