It would have been a flaw only if he read and understood the law he put so much time into.

Passing a law without reading it isn't loony?

So what was the son's response? I mean the government has killed before!

please stop following what conspiracy news wants to feed you! This was a solar deal that fell though in 2013 at a location over 200 miles away

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013...ct-commission/

WRONG!

There was a solar farm that was planned near Laughlin (which is about an hour and a half out of Vegas, I go there all the time to the Colorado River). That is the one that got shelved in 2013

The NEW one just happened:
"Signaling the first day of construction of the Moapa Southern Paiute Solar Project, which is about 35 miles from the Bundy homestead in Bunkerville, Nevada, Sen. Reid joined representatives from the Moapa Band of Paiutes, executives from First Solar, Inc. and the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power for the groundbreaking ceremony on March 21."

This was just a couple of weeks ago:
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/moapa-...222900653.html

By the way...I've thought for a long time that the desert here in Nevada and California should be covered with solar panels.
It should be paid for by our tax dollars and the electricity it generates should be free (it's from the sun).

Make no mistake about it though...Reid is a career/lifetime politician/crook. And his cronies are going to make bank with this.

He shouldn't have sent the BLM (run by the newly appointed head of it that is his former employee) in like a small military army to bully people here in Nevada though.

I guess since he has spent most of his time during his life AWAY from Nevada...he forgot that there really are a group of families who have worked this hard land for a hundred and fifty years or more.

The people out here don't like bureaucrats from Washington D.C. pushing them around.
It's a shame that more of you aren't the same.

how am I wrong? The Chinese solar deal DID fall through and that is a fact I posted a link to. Fact the distance between Laughlin, Nevada and Bunkerville, Nevada is 177miles. Laughlin is where the Chinese were trying to make a deal on the land

Also the solar company you posted that just broke ground is First Solar and they are a USA company and it is still not located on the land where Bundy's cows are trespassing

You're wrong because you tried to insinuate that there is NO deal for the land near Bundy.
Your post made it sound like Reid had no interest in that land.

But he damn sure does. It's that kind of bullshit half-truth crap that confuses everybody.
Pretty much what you claimed that others were doing.

Why can't people just discuss what is happening without all the half-truths and exaggerations?

WTF?

A huge federal govt. with unlimited funds and resources just bullied a Nevada rancher.

And I see people calling him a "freeloader". Even though I've pointed out that over history, cattle free-range grazed.
The govt. CHANGED that (created a problem). Now they want to "solve" the problem they created by FORCE.

And for what? So Harry Reid can funnel money for the millionth time in his lifelong "career" as a bureaucrat?
If anybody is a "freeloader" it's the federal govt. taking money from ranchers for grazing their cattle on the open range. It's ridiculous. What did the govt. do to "earn" that land or that money? NOTHING.
And what have they ever done with that land?

Well, they tested nuclear bombs on it until Howard Hughes threatened Richard Nixon to make him stop.
I wonder how many tortoises were killed by those nuclear blasts in the 1950's?

And you think that's "okay"?

I just don't understand the thought process of some of y'all.

It's 35 miles away from where Bundy lives.

His cows roam 150 square miles. It's an open range cattle herd. No barbed wire fences, etc.

It's the desert out here by the way. It isn't like these cows COULD be kept in a few acres of land. They would starve to death. They have to roam to find enough vegetation to live. You know, like cattle would NATURALLY exist.

Now if it were in Florida (where my family owned a few thousand head of cattle)...then yes, they would be in pastures surrounded by barbed wire and never run out of grass to eat.

But here in the desert? There ain't no grass, except what people plant in their yards or at Casino's and artificially water every day...because it doesn't rain very often here in the desert. :)

Because its bullshit. tell your landlord I dont recognize you and stop paying see what happens. Tell him, its your first amendment right. lol

Know anything about cattle??

I think the big thing here is that some of these guys are grazing them and not paying. Its not expensive but they just are not. thats what happened with the guy in Texas. Using federal land and not paying.

Actually you are not correct. Many government agencies, including the BLM and forest service, are creating and enforcing THOUSANDS of "regulations" which are NEVER voted on by congress. This process has been accelerating rapidly. These "regulations" are enforced by federal jail time, (which makes them laws in my book), and yet these agencies create them willy-nilly, by the thousands, with almost no legislative oversight whatsoever. It's a easy way to circumvent one branch of government. The Executive branch certainly does have the power to send out directives as to what these agencies are doing, (since there are deemed agency "regulations" not federal laws), and it does not require an executive order, simply an ordinary directive.


Do a little research on this issue. It's quite startling and not in a good way.




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If you profit using Federal land and don't pay you're a freeloader and a thief. Go seize his assets now and be done with it, I'm tired of footing the bill for these criminals.

Eat steak or drink Milk??

Price is going to go up.

it has been going up for long time. so whats your point?

That's because he is a freeloader, regardless of what you point out. We aren't going by your definitions, I'm going on universally accepted definitions and by those, he's a free rider.


first amendment zones set-up by a government bureaucracy is bullshit to you, got it.

Tony, I used to give you credit for reading and sifting through information to get to the gist of an issue, post or statement. Clearly by your comment, you aren't doing that here.

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Read more...http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...s-modern-right

Cliven Bundy Has No Claim to Federal Land and Grazing


Cliven Bundy is a Big Fat Million Dollar Welfare Dead Beat!

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http://www.azgfd.gov/w_c/images/poster_small_001.jpg

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ADG

Anyone that thinks there is nothing else here in what's going on is not paying attention. Harry Reid's son speaking out against Bundy, Bundy saying that his permit was pulled before he stopped paying dues and then starting paying the state the dues.
And really, how much land does a tortoise need? As a kid, mine was in a 2 x 5 ft aquarium and was quite happy

I'm not buying the "i pad my fees to the state" Bundy is trying to sell. FAct is you can't just send money in randomly to a state office.

"hey mr State office clerk, here's a check for $10,000, I actually owe that to the BLM, even though I do NOT have a lease with them so I don't have a bill to go along with that check."

State clerk: "cool, thank you for your prompt payment of money you owe the federal government to a random state office."


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right on Robbie!

Yeah, I agree, I would like to see some more evidence on this. I still believe there is more to this than we know.

What he was doing was found to be illegal in a court of law. He didn't stop doing it, and he refused to pay the fine. Maybe criminal is too hard of a term I'll give you that, but he's still breaking the law. Just because he refuses to acknowledge the existing of the federal government doesn't make him immune. Even the other ranchers agree with the government.

Like what?

I don't get it. What does the first amendment have to do with this? He used land that he should have paid for but didn't. What does it have to do with free speech?

read the article. But in short, when Bundy's supporters showed up, the BLM cordoned off that area in the picture where they tried to corral the demonstrators into.

The 1st amendment does not work that way, there are not free speech zones in america(where you can speak your mind inside of them but not outside of them, America in totality is a fucking free speech zone.

Oh yeah?

Then I'll use my free speech to tell you to shut the fuck up.


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I'd use it for something you might actually have a chance to change. ! :1orglaugh

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http://www.8newsnow.com/story/253015...-under-scrutin
"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy said.

Clark County property records show Cliven Bundy's parents moved from Bundyville, Arizona and bought the 160 acre ranch in 1948 from Raoul and Ruth Leavitt.

its bullshit imagine that !

the issue in this story for me was BLM overstepping their authority. Regardless of bundy being a free rider, which he was by definition. When the BLM reevaluated , stepped back and deescalated, the story was over. Good for them.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/79...Apocalypse.jpg

The Fox News poster-(cow)boy is apparently a lying mooching con-artist seditionist... :1orglaugh

:stoned

ADG

Clearly it's Obama's fault. Just like he was involved in the gun running thing, and just like he instructed the IRS to investigate groups that tend to cheat the IRS.

Yawn.

A little context on the bundy story...

Clive bundy paid grazing fees for a while to the BLM, but then then the BLM was using money against the ranchers, to buy outstanding permits and make their life more difficult. His family grazed the land for years but however long ago they had a change of mind to protect the endangered desert tortoise, so he tried paying the county and other agencies who refused. Basically he refused to financially support an agency that was trying to put him out of business... But really when they determined he couldn't graze the land anymore I'm not so sure he was on the hook for grazing fees as he's not supposed to be there but imagine the govt showing up one day and kicking you off your own land or land you've been on for 100 years. Not saying he's right but it's still brutal, I certainly wouldn't paint the man as some ingrate.... The long and short of it is he wasn't trying to he a cheapskate and get out of fees, he simply didn't want to move and pay money to a govt agency trying to put him out of business.

There's a history of the BLM selling land off to solar companies. While most of this has been linked to one specific company and that has been debunked pretty fairly, who knows what the true future use of the plans entail and if there is a hidden motive in trying to kick bundy off the land.

Says who?

His daughter in an interview to explain her fathers actions. The BLM has made moves against ranchers, that part is not hearsay so it supports her claims. She then went on to say he used the money to improve the land which is what the BLM used to use the fees for before they started making moves against ranchers.

It doesn't make the man right but based upon how he's acted I don't think he's some non-paying ingrate. As the gif above states, 0 shots fired, 0 deaths. He's been the one asking the armed militia men to show restraint, etc.

His supporters are people who question the govt. he was effectively railroaded by the govt. we don't live in a fair world I don't think anyone will dispute that.

Local TV Station Sheds Doubt On Bundy's Claims About His Family Ranch

Cliven Bundy has trumpeted his "ancestral rights" in his land-use dispute with the federal government, but a report on Monday from a Nevada television station placed doubt on the defiant rancher's claims.

KLAS in Las Vegas obtained property records showing that Bundy's parents purchased the family's ranch in 1948. The Bunkerville, Nev. ranch has been the site of a tense standoff with the federal government over Bundy's use of land managed by the Bureau of Land Management.

Those records appear to contradict Bundy's own history of the ranch, as well as his biography.

"I've lived my lifetime here. My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley here ever since 1877. All these rights that I claim, have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and the water and the access and range improvements," Bundy told KLAS before the government's round up began.

The standoff has made Bundy a hero among conservatives like Sean Hannity.

Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R), who is showing solidarity with Bundy and the armed militias supporting him, said Friday that the federal government shouldn't "come here with guns and expect the American people not to fire back."

Bundy said that his rights predate the formation of the Bureau of Land Management, and he has refused to pay more than $1 million in cattle grazing fees.

"My rights are before the BLM even existed, but my rights are created by beneficial use. Beneficial use means we created the forage and the water from the time the very first pioneers come here," Bundy said.

But court records obtained by KLAS indicated the family's cattle didn't begin grazing the land until 1954. The Bureau of Land Management was created in 1946 (the same year Cliven Bundy was born.)

Source

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just your typical radical right wing fascist freeloaders