5: live in fear that a bunch of people have concealed firearms around me

LOL. Unicorns and rainbows.

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Yes, lets be afraid of all the sane people who have passed Federal background checks for the specific purpose of owning and legally carrying firearms. :thumbsup

You have a lot of faith in your Federal government agencies - I wouldn't bet my life on the wankers we have here in the UK...

I can't find the meme generator, so?

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EZ to be tuff against those without guns!

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Oh. Fuck.

I have more faith in myself than anybody else. That's exactly why I carry.


Thank you for proving my point. :winkwink:

I don't, which is why we should be allowed guns. Something you might want to think about as you don't trust your government either! :winkwink:

the majority of guns that are used in crimes in canada are from..guess where?

and yeah, shitty eating kills way more people but that is more of a personal choice. i can't get killed by someone else's big mac. they're just killing themselves.

people driving is the real killers of other people more than anything else. no one wants to go out because of someone shitty driving or someone snapping and killing a bunch of innocent people.

It's interesting you seem to have made the same point - You are both scared of your government...

I don't fear my government - I don't agree with them on most policies, but I have never ever been scared of them.....

That's interesting...

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're suggesting they are from the U.S. I won't argue that as I honestly don't know. However, if that is the case then it only goes to show that your own "gun control" laws don't seem to work well either.

Here's some fun reading for you Canadian folks:

http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/tenmyths.html

I never said that. Let's not be trying to put words into my mouth.

guns don't commit crimes, canadians do.

well since all illegal guns start out as legal guns at some point you could argue that the less legal guns, the less illegal guns there would be. this is what happens in canada. its so hard to get access to the crazy kind of semi auto guns that are readily available in the US so they get smuggled in and sold to criminals. if they were as hard to get in the US as they were here in canada, chances are there would be a lot less out there to be smuggled.

lol - On that note I am going to bed - Sleep tight and don't let the men in black bite...

BTW Eddy,

I'm not sure what or if they teach anything in UK history classes but over here the story is that, as our country was forming, our ancestors took up arms to protect themselves from YOUR Government.

One could argue that the British are responsible for the creation of our Second Amendment. You should not be expected to understand or agree with it. You're the enemy. :winkwink:

While that is a good argument, it would not stop people from importing them from other places. Please review #3 in the link I previously posted.

You missed the first question . . . what is their good beer? I am headed to Total Wine and might pick one up.

Oh, you think if they had AKs in 1776 there would be no 2nd Amendment?

People in hell wish they could have ice water too.

Are you actually afraid of that? To be honest, not once have a even given any thought to whether or not people around me are armed or not. I am not a pussy. :2 cents:

You have had too many beers; that isn't what was said (or implied).

Ya they make getting handguns and other restricted guns in Canada such a horrible process that almost no one bothers to go through the hassle. If I were to go through the process of acquiring a handgun I still wouldn't be able to legally fire it on my own farm land....I have to go to a gun club. Oddly enough the criminals dont seem to have a problem using them outside of the gun club. Lol

What about the fact that allowing guns increases chances that "YOU" is the person who busts into basketball game and points a gun at someone?

So basically you choose between:

a) decent chance that someone busts into basketball game, but you have a gun to try and protect (no guaranteed protection, just better chances).
b) absolute minimum chance that someone busts into basketball game.

Take that into consideration.

I think big portion (even majority?) of killers/mass killers did pass (or would have passed if aplied) that...

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http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/tenmyths.html

"The best available Canadian research indicates that firearms used in self-defence by law-abiding Canadians exceeds the total number of gun-related deaths by a ratio of forty to one, saving more lives each year than are lost through the misuse of guns. In Canada, a civilian uses a firearm in defence of self, family or property (excluding police, military and security guard duties) an average of once every nine minutes, and half of these incidents involve defence against human threats. Firearms are used over twice as often in self-defence as they are in criminal violence, and save at least 3,300 lives every year. The self-defence use of firearms saves the Canadian economy hundreds of millions of dollars annually by protecting property against theft and vandalism, and reduces medical costs by preventing injury from criminal assault and wild animal attacks."

Bloody hell - I was all ready to sleep - Anyway, you do know that white people didn't appear like magic in America - If you are proud to trace your ancestry back to The Mayflower - You are proud to be British...

Thing is that almost everybody have faith in themselves, even insane people do. Not to speak about half stable, half normal with various tendencies.

They're not scared of their government. They're scared of the British invading :)

Why would I take a fairy tale into consideration? I live in the real world. Specifically in the United States. Guns are here, they are going nowhere. You can continue to complain about our policies or perhaps you're smarter than that and can provide a realistic solution?

Yet, the VAST majority of offenders have not done so. Why? Because criminals don't care about laws.

I'm not even proud to be human.

Why is that fairy tale?
If guns were illegal less people would have guns thus less chances of needing protection.
I do not say that you won't need it completely, I am just saying "less chances". That is common sense fact.
Do not assume that I said that guns would vanish :1orglaugh

people can get rifles/shotguns fairly easily. that should be enough to protect ones self. the idea that you need a semi auto for protection seems like overkill and just a justification for being able to have these 'toys'.

and smuggling guns overseas is much more difficult than just driving across a border that has spots where there isn't even a border crossing..just a sign telling people to report to the nearest border crossing.

growing up in small town ontario i've known people to own the odd shotgun or 22 but thats about it. i shot a 22 once..but i've never in my life felt the need to own a gun for protection or anything else. i live in a fairly big city now and have for the past 10 years and still have never felt the need to own a gun for any reason. most the gun crimes i read about here in ottawa are committed in the south end where a large portion of people are immigrants and poor. not to sound racist but if we stopped letting people from other countries immigrate here it seems a lot of gun voilence would disappear. its always crazy foreign names i read committing not only gun crimes but sexual assault/domestic violence, etc.

Good point, but not the point of my quote though. You said "lets be afraid of sane people", I said that majority of the killers were actually SANE people. So yes, you should be afraid of sane people having guns...

Can't do nothin but respect that http://thehoodup.com/board/images/smilies/hat-tip.gif

true but like i said in other post, smuggling overseas is a whole other game and much more difficult. either way i don't expect america to change its laws for this reason. people will continue to be killed by guns from america, americans will continue to be killed by guns in record numbers, heart disease and cancer will reign and every day dozens of people will die needlessly in car wrecks. i can only see technology having any effective change on any of this.

Because of this part:

Being scared and not trusting are two completely different things.

Do you see them as the same? That's a little sad.

We are scared of things that we don't know or don't understand. I believe our government is capable of a great many stupid, horrible things, as non-Americans point out on GFY on a daily basis. My belief in having the right to be prepared for those stupid, horrible things, makes me the opposite of scared.

That's only part of what I said.

Look man, I'm all for a reasonable debate but if your idea of winning is to take my words out of context then you're not worth debating in the first place. :2 cents:

pretty sure that's the case already FYI this is why they are called criminals Mark, because they break the law... or scofflaws in Canadian :1orglaugh

Again, another good fairy tale is the one you believe about actually being able to stop the government from doing what it wants to do because you own a gun. I get it, it's a masculine ego fantasy thing, but you guys are just kidding yourselves there.