50 people pissed off because the president wants to give them a raise??? :helpme

The thing is they will do that regardless of what the the minimum wage is. It's funny that business owners don't understand that. You may as well set the minimum wage high (within reason) as the scare tactics are mostly bullshit. The profit margins and revenue versus wages show it.

He was amazing .... USA was respected and loved worldwide ( well, maybe a few places not so much ) and there was a feeling of progress ...

Now, the USA is in ruins and the only feeling is of internal war :2 cents:

Well there was internal war back then. They had the militia groups in the 90s too. The only difference is back then the Republicans didn't all support the militia and "patriot" movements. Now basically the Republicans have turned into the patriot movement with few exceptions. :upsidedow The Republicans today are what they used to call "right wing extremists" twenty years ago - extremely pro-gun, extremely right wing, conspiracy theorists, and sadly often with at least some degree of racism.

Here are President Obama's top stock holdings from when he got into office (I believe these go into a blind trust once a president is in office):

JP Morgan Chase (JPM, Fortune 500)
Apple (AAPL, Fortune 500)
Google (GOOG, Fortune 500)
Intel (INTC, Fortune 500)
Qualcomm (QCOM, Fortune 500)
McDonald's (MCD, Fortune 500)
Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500)
Amgen (AMGN, Fortune 500)
CVS Caremark (CVS, Fortune 500)
Gilead (GILD, Fortune 500)

I was talking about Vendzilla's understanding of public policy. All in all, the economy is definitely recovering, though your point is absolutely valid in a sense. I don't put the blame(or credit) at the POTUS' feet either way personally. He hasn't been able to do much of anything since 2010.

Stock market is hitting record highs, though. Doubt anyone's making any money from that except fast food workers. :winkwink:

Sorry. That's "Jesus Regan" to you know who. Respect the Ronald and bury the truth, otherwise you know who will get in a tizzy.


Believe it or not, Food stamps are good for the economy, they don't hurt and they actually don't cost anything when you consider the long term. This was one of the few good things that George W Bush actually helped along. (This, and he declared a big chunk of the pacific ocean a park. Thats about it). $1.00 of food stamps generates $1.84 in Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

But of course, Republicans now hate it because Obama is for it. (Why? Because he's black.). They coined the term "Food Stamp President" and managed to cut $4.5 Billion over the next few years. You can read more about this at http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...stamps/260015/

I'm not pissed off. I'm happy because its a great idea. Paying people more will help reduce poverty and give people a real chance. It will also boost the economy thanks to more people being able to buy more things (like porn)

How can you say the economy is recovering when 1.85 million people lost their middle class jobs? The median wage has gone down 8% . Fucking moron!

Stock market is hitting record highs because of the government propping it up by giving the banks 85 billion dollars a month.
http://www.npr.org/2013/12/17/251796...llion-question

It's the 85 billion a month they are giving the banks that pisses me off, when the banks are not loaning the money out.

A few other times when the stock market saw record highs?

Dot Com Bomb
Housing Crises

Tech investors are predicting a tech bubble again and the housing crisis hasn't seemed to taught anybody anything. Could get pretty nasty if both popped again at the same time.

Please tell me what truth you are talking about
Hey dip shit, it's not a good thing that so many people have to be on them, does your article talk about how the US government was sending people to Mexico to help them understand how to better use our food stamp system after crossing the border?

Wow are you delusional. You think people are going to buy porn with food stamps?

This thread is painful to read. Dang obummer

i might remind you of this the next time you complain that people resort to name calling when addressing you...

I agree. A friend of mine who writes predictive analytics software for a lot of the big firms on Wall Street is cautioning about that also. I'm also sure the federal reserve helps also, but not to the point that Vendzilla thinks.

Vend and ********** are both trolling. Not sure why anyone (me included) even reads their threads anymore, but it makes banner views!

Of course it would be bad it the minimum wage were increased. First of all, a Democrat would get credit for it. Second of all, Obama would get credit for it. Finally, because TV told me so.

You have a point, just sounds stupid what he said

So you think that when the fed stops spending 85 billion on a month on the banks, everything will be ok?

Not trolling, but if you think that all the new jobs are for low income is a good thing, then you have a problem

I know that I'm not scared of doom and gloom stuff because I have a set of balls. I also know that the opposite of whatever you "predict" is probably what the reality will be. The Fed is doing it for a reason way above your pay grade. Once the banks feel "safer" about lending again, they'll start to back off of the $85bn / month - so, yes, once the Fed stops, it'll indicate that the banks are back to lending almost as "freely" as they were before the recession.

What do you think giving the banks 85 billion a MONTH is doing to the value of the US dollar?

You have no clear idea what more money in the system does to the value of our currency do you?

The op was about the US having the strongest middle class in the world, until the last 5 years. Obama's Administration fixed that

Let me ask you this, what would you say to a person that believes that 75 billion spent on food stamps is good for the economy?

Wouldn't you think it would be better if people were working and not needing those food stamps?

See this is one of those points where you are either trolling or just stupid. I'll let you decide which.

You bitch and moan about people calling names. Then you call names. Then you change the topic when you get called out on it.

I called you two names. Troll, stupid. Now I'm going to change the subject. I could really go for pizza!

I addressed the name calling, if you would have bothered to read, I know it's hard

Fucking stupid troll! LOL I answered twice. For fuck sake, get that pizza, you must be low on carbs or something

Uh you mean the recession that started under Bush caused it and it would've been much worse if Obama didn't take steps like bailing out the auto industry, financial industry etc... Including the fed printing $85bn a month.
These lower jncome jobs are appearing due to deregulation brought on by conservatives. Min wages have declined since the 70s, the purchasing power of the min wage was $10.50 then, so the least that can be done here is raise the min wage to $10
People being paid min wage spend all their money, it's a great investment.

You don't read much do you?

Bush did the auto bail out, Obama added to it.

Saying it's bad but would have been worse if Obama didn't do what he did? Ok, Prove it!
You can't!

The OP wasn't about minimum wages, it is about people forced into minimum wage jobs when they had middle class jobs, all under the watch of the Obama Administration.

1.85 million people got moved into a lower class in the last 5 years.

Obama owns the economy, he spent a lot of money in the stimulus to fix it and that didn't work.

If you think the economy is better, why is the median wage 8% lower, what has your glorious leader done to fix that?

The recession started 17 months after the democrats got control of the house and the senate, leaving Bush as a lame duck president, how is he responsible for the recession?

You'll say it was the deregulation of the banks that caused it and Obama fixed the problems with the banks? Then why does the fed print up 85 billion a month and give it to the banks, they are having record earnings because of it. If you need 85 billion a month to keep the stock market to do well and the banks to do well, then you have a problem, try to see that!

Geeze you are a broken record of the same stuff over and over. I'm sorry but economy and the makeup of jobs is way the fuck bigger then one man. But I know you love to blame Obama. For anything. For everything.

No matter who was in office there would've been growth in lower income jobs compared to middle class jobs. McCain would've crashed us into the ocean years ago, Romney would've just outsourced us all, any tea party/libertarian whacko would've pretty much immediately destroyed the economy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDEfhS-r_68



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKlnXzE-Dk

Hmm.. huge tax breaks to the rich / called it "Trickle Down Economics", but it destroyed the middle class. Iran / Contra.. Tax breaks to companies to move out of the US, fired all of the air traffic controllers.. hey, Reagan Worshipers don't like to hear about that kind of stuff. Feel free to keep calling him Saint Regan like your pals on Fox.

Thats right. It was GW Bush that created this mess. Since Obama's been elected, he's fixing it. Oh wait, he's black. Republicans won't believe he actually accomplished anything.

Lol. You should start a right wing talk show. I didn't say people would buy food stamps with porn. I said raising the minimum wage will encourage people to spend more. But please don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs.


The man can't help himself, but don't worry I understand. When reality starts to sneak its way in and challenge someone's hardcore beliefs, reacting with name calling is to be expected.



http://www.jrbooksonline.com/images/Pdvd_056_40p.jpg


See? Typical republican bullshit. Get educated:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...nomic-benefits
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...stamps/260015/
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news...ulus_analysis/
http://prospect.org/article/five-rea...work-just-fine


Now now, take it easy! Here - stare at this picture for a few minutes. It will make you feel better.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t0460ltTUO...0/saintRon.jpg

There ya go big fella. Have a nap.

Reagan would be too liberal for conservatives these days

There you go, saying McCain would have ..... prove it, you can't

1.85 million jobs shifted from middle class to lower class, that's not growth

:1orglaugh

That's just it, the Republicans seem to be complaining about everything they can. Unemployment is 6.7%, economy is moving, stocks are up - It's winning all around but all they want to do is bitch.

Don't get me wrong, we could have had a Republican in office for the past eight years and had the same exact results. However, the way the Republicans are handling all of this is very childish.

You are right you can't, but anyone with any education would know it would not be much better. The USA has been digging themselves into a hole since Bush took office. As an outsider Clinton was one of of the best presidents your country has ever seen. Doubt you can debate that.

Wow, you get a fail for history
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfer...s-and-figures/

Calling me a racist, Fuck You Shit for Brains

So fixing it is moving 1.85 million from the middle class to the lower class?

No one knows what the effects of raising the minimum wage levels will be, increase in prices or less jobs for those earning at that level are just a couple possible things, raising the cost of doing business is something the left likes to do.


Yet every time I challenge you, you call me racist or some dumb shit like that




http://www.jrbooksonline.com/images/Pdvd_056_40p.jpg



Nice list of the top liberal websites on the internet !

Your failing because you don't know jack shit about what Reagan did and you are judging him with that asshole Obama.

here's a pic for you

http://cdn.motinetwork.net/motifake....1235016914.jpg

I can't prove it but I have at least a basic understanding of business and economics which you apparently do not.

Also your witty Internet pictures are simplistic and off topic, but I know you love your random Obama jabs

Ok, instead of telling me I'm wrong, show the class where moving 1.85 million workers from middle class jobs to lower class jobs is a good thing for the economy, which is the OP

I didn't start that

It's not, no one is saying it is. We are saying this would've happened anyway and has nothing to do with Obama. You seem to think Obama is sitting around in the Oval Office pressing a magical button that instantly converts middle class jobs into lower class jobs.

In political threads of the past, has not several people pointed out that Obama has created several thousand jobs every month, because of that the economy is getting better? I'm calling bullshit because they are shitty jobs that people are taking to replace the once good jobs they had.

Tell me where I'm wrong, That's in the OP, but you are saying I don't understand, understand what?

For fuck sakes, it's the truth

So you think the President creates jobs? I think it has yet to be proven that the Govt is steering the ship.

Recession is defined. You can look it up.

Where did I say Obama created jobs? please re read!

I stated how others like to point out about the jobs he created!

Fuck, can anyone read anymore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M51xwySGNYc

Why is it confusing?

People on here that continually say Obama is creating jobs and saving the US.

The new jobs are low wage jobs, 1.85 million middle wage workers moved to lower class jobs.

Monkey suit?

:upsidedow


And here I thought it was because it's an election year and the dems appear to be on the losing side so the administation created this "cause" to gin-up the liberal base to get them to go out and vote while at the same time buying the poor vote using private sector money.




silly me



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