Oh, you mean the patriot act that Obama said would go bye bye if he was elected and he voted to continue it and expand it, that Patriot act?

Thanks for pointing that out, more lies by Obama


First you say Bush started it like it's a bad thing, then you say it's a good thing, people are getting killed right, that's where this started

So you want the GOP to not represent the people that voted them in? Seriously?
You haven't been looking at the polls
He lied, period, he did it to save face before his reelection
Median income is down 8% and according to the fed, the economy is NOT up, that's why they say they have to continue printing up 85 billion a month for the banks

DING DING DING, you finally say the truth, an with a RATHER UNIMPRESSIVE TRACK RECORD

I don't give a rats ass about gop vs democrats

Jesus...you are making yourself look bad here man.

You don't seem to understand what a local t.v. station even is.
As for the other stuff you just posted about Roger Ailes...I have no freakin' idea what you are even talking about.

WTVT was the CBS affiliate when I was a kid living down in Fla. in the 1960's near Tampa. I believe they changed over to Fox back when CBS lost broadcast rights to Fox for NFL games.

The court case had ZERO to do with FNC. It was strictly between employees and the company that owns WTVT (which is NOT Fox).

You're bullshit is just wrong.

And calling me an "apologist" for right wing scumbags simply because I am showing YOUR lies is pathetic.

But it mirrors the pure elitism of people who think that they are "liberal" like you. In your narrow field of vision...only YOU and the DEMOCRAT PARTY know what is right.
Anybody disagrees? Then they are obviously some kind of far-right religious nut case who loves Michelle Bachman.

Your logic is flawed. Your stories aren't true. Your adherence to Democrat party talking points is tragic.

FOX News Corporation owns their affiliates and were paying the legal fees in that lawsuit.


FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves.

August 18, 2000, a unanimous Florida jury found that Akre was wrongfully fired by Fox Television when she refused to broadcast (in the jury's words) ?a false, distorted or slanted story? The jury awarded her $425,000 in damages.

FOX appealed the case, and on February 14, 2003 the Florida Second District Court of Appeals overturned the settlement awarded to Akre.

In a stunningly narrow interpretation of FCC rules, the Florida Appeals court claimed that the FCC policy against falsification of the news does not rise to the level of a "law, rule, or regulation," it was simply a "policy." Therefore, it is up to the station whether or not it wants to report honestly.

During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre?s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/0...-wins-in-court



Here is Thom Hartmann's take on it...

Again...FOX didn't assert ANYTHING. Fox were not the ones in court.

The company that owns the station is:
"New World Communications Of Tampa, Inc's Single Location in Tampa, FL. The company primarily operates in the Television Broadcasting Companies industry.

New World Communications Of Tampa, Inc:

Privately held.

Has $17.6 Million in estimated annual revenue.

Employs 51-200 (Show Value) people (Actual data).

Has 51-200 (Show Value) employees located here at the Single Location (Actual data)."

You guys need to STOP quoting bloggers and "news" sources with agendas and simply go check out the facts.

Half-truths and lies are what you are spreading. It's not right.

I quoted Wikipedia Robbie.. You are really trying to distort the facts by claiming Fox News had nothing to do with this. It was well documented that the pressure not to air the broadcast came from the higher ups at Fox News Network. I really don't know why you are trying to deny this, and trying to act as if there is no link between a Fox News local affiliate and Fox news themselves.

I lived in FL when this happened Robbie I remember it.

Certainly sounds like FOX's legal team to me.....


Directly from the appeal in the District Court of Appeal of Florida, Second District


William E. McDaniels and Thomas G. Hentoff of Williams & Connolly LLP, Washington, DC, Patricia Fields Anderson, P.A., St. Petersburg, and Gary D. Roberts and Theodore A. Russell of Fox Group Legal Department, Los Angeles, CA, for Appellant.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/fl-distri...l/1310807.html

Good find.. and from that..

"New World Communications of Tampa, Inc., d/b/a WTVT-TV, a subsidiary of Fox Television"

Subsidiary - A subsidiary corporation or company is one in which another, generally larger, corporation, known as the parent corporation, owns all or at least a majority of the shares. As the owner of the subsidiary, the parent corporation may control the activities of the subsidiary.

You are 100% right about that.

Still doesn't make telling half-truths and claiming that Fox News went to court to defend it's right to "lie" to people.

Fox News did NOT go to court. And neither did their subsidiary. There were SUED by 2 employees over wrongful termination.

Were they the good guys in the court battle? I doubt it.

But neither are you when you twist shit and try to make it seem to the reader that FNC went to court (which insinuates they brought it to court themselves) in order to get a ruling that allows them to "lie" during their newscasts.

That never happened. Thus...a LIE. Not sure if you even know the difference anymore.

Not a word from you guys when :
Calcutta, India; January 22, 2002 – Five killed at the U.S. Consulate.
Karachi, Pakistan; June 14, 2002 – 12 killed, 51 injured at U.S. Consulate.
Islamabad, Pakistan; February 28, 2003 – Two killed at the U.S. Embassy.
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia; May 12, 2003 – 36 killed, nine of them Americans, at the U.S. diplomatic compound.
Tashkent, Uzbekistan; July 30, 2004 – Two killed at the U.S. Embassy.
Jeddah, Saudi Arabia; December 6, 2004 – Nine killed at the U.S. Consulate.
Karachi, Pakistan; March 2, 2006 – Four killed, including U.S. diplomat David Foy, at the U.S. Consulate. (Note that this is the second fatal attack on the Consulate in 4 years. Where was the extra security? Oh, right. There was none. Mr. Foy was directly targeted in this attack but we never heard a peep from anyone on the right about it.)
Damascus, Syria; September 12, 2006 – Four killed, 13 wounded at U.S. Embassy.
Athens, Greece; January 12, 2007 – Thankfully empty U.S. Embassy targeted with an anti-tank grenade (which landed in the Ambassador’s office).
Sana’a, Yemen; March 18, 2008 – 13 schoolchildren are injured when a mortar misses the U.S. Embassy and hits a nearby school. (Brown children are just collateral damage to the right).
Istanbul, Turkey; July 9, 2008 – Six killed at the U.S. Consulate.
Sana’a, Yemen; September 17, 2008 – Sixteen killed (including a newlywed couple) at the U.S. Embassy. The second attack in 7 months. No cries for extra security here, either.

Tony, I think the difference is that the military was ORDERED to "stand down" in Benghazi.

And then the Pres. and his staff went on a television appearance spree telling a big fat lie about it being a "video".

Yes...we all get it...people attack the U.S. all the time because of the very SHIT that our federal govt. pulls worldwide (causing folks to hate us).

The DIFFERENCE was that the military wanted to go help the Embassy and were told NOT to. Then a lie was made up to go along with the Pres. narrative in the campaign that terrorism was on the run.

Do you not get that? To continue to keep posting up all the attacks that have ever happened against Americans has absolutely nothing to do with what is going on with this.

Robbie WHY do you keep repeating this total Bull Shit about a stand down? You are just parroting Fox News, repeating false information over and over then of course will tell us all how unbiased you are.

This "stand down" order has been debunked over and over.


from http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05...r-order/199135

I used to say you are getting as bad as Vendillza but sorry man you are as bad. You just keep pushing BS and ignoring what you don't want to hear.

Again.. Stand Down order debunked..

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06...another/194644


Your hate for Obama has blinded you to the point you don't look for actual facts rather you accept what ever Fox news tells you to accept. You are way off the deep in with this..even the Republican lead committee came to the conclusion there was no stand down, but hey never mind the facts Fox has number 1 time slot ratings!!!!

They were sued and lost.. They then appealed which is "yes" them taking it back to court and they won, not because the merits of the case were false, but because the reporter in question didn't qualify as a whistle blower according to the court.

...and yes the case was very much about them being able to tell their reporters to lie. You can try to push your agenda and claim half truths but you are wrong.

Did the administration lie about any of them to the American people?

Yep they lied about a whole war and 3000 died.

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I find it hard to believe that more young people watch a network that denies things like science, climate change and pollution, and who constantly shine endless praise on morons like that old fool Donald Trump.

You'd be surprised how many young people think like that.

Churches are full of young zealots.

That's the mistake that people make...they automatically assume that all young people are "cool" and all old people are not.

Or that all black people think alike. Or all women think alike.

It's not that way in the real world. Plenty of young religious nuts who love Fox News.

The cool young people don't spend much time watching the news. They are too busy getting laid. lol

here amongst the intelligent, we know that global warming, oh, wait, I mean of course, its new name "climate change" is a lie and that the US is MUCH cleaner today than it was 30 years ago. Perhaps thats just not the case in canada.

Why does anyone need to look stuff up to know if FOX lies constantly? There's a constant stream of horseshit coming from every puppet on that channel, and anyone with half a brain could realize that by watching it for more than 5 minutes. I watch it strictly for entertainment value, just to see what the tools are bitching about at any given minute.

Okay...so after all of those attacks, why is Benghazi such a giant deal? Bad shit happens in bad parts of the world. If anything, the Republicans are trying to remove any culpability in Benghazi because they've repeatedly voted down more money for diplomat security in international "hot spots". These are knowable facts.

Assuming old people are wise should pretty much discredit any point you try to make. If you think someone gleefully sucking up the fire and brimstone on FOX news is "wise", then you should just bail from the argument right now.

And finally, can you just admit you're a conservative? If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

well if FOX lies constantly, please give us an example from this month.

First of all...why would you stick up for a hack network like FOX? Not from this month, but recent.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/...r-testify.html

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/insi..._on_obamacare/

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/03/...ws-sunday.html

http://gawker.com/5814309/jon-stewar...nasty-fox-news

http://www.reallyfoxnews.com/post/39...wn-list-of-fox

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/28/10_b..._sean_hannity/

http://grist.org/list/2011-10-13-the...about-the-epa/

No, they didn't vote down more money.

They just didn't approve the full amount asked for, no one ever votes for the full amount any program asks for.

I have already covered this.

When the democrats ran the house, they never approved the full amount.

Yet their budget goes up every year.

The reason this is such a big deal is Obama lied about this, it was put out as protesters attacking because of a video, turns out it was a terrorist attack and that would have taken away steam from the president running for re election that just killed Osama. Do they down played it.






Fuck, you are blaming the Republicans when you are ignorant as to why they are even pissed, you should read about things before posting....

For tips on talking about Benghazi in political circles, chat with Mitt Romney. Maybe he can let us know how it's working out for him.

I read the first one, I don't see any lies there, what else do you have?

Second one is full of assumptions , shall I keep going?

not recent and not accurate.
and as you mature and if you ever become successful, it will be more important to you to understand the world around you and not just be spoon fed the liberal line.

Third one is opinion, still don't see the lies

Ok, the fourth one is about a piece from Jon Stewart, you know the guy from COMEDY CENTRAL!! This is the best you have? FAIL!

Why, do you feel threatened by that?

So what you are saying is environmental regulations and the EPA are doing their job?

I"m curious.... I loath both Democrats and Republicans, but it has been interesting to watch CNN, MSNBC, CBS and ABC completely drop any hard nosed investigative reporting into civil liberties violations, cover-ups, corruption, etc... under this administration. For example, I find it funny when I see people saying that Obama was not terrible for killing about 5000 people with drones, (300 of them children) in other sovereign countries with whom we are not at war, because Bush killed hundreds of thousands. (It seems like saying "we shouldn't convict this murderer for killing only one kid, since there are serial killers out there".)

So my question is: If hard evidence was to come out that this administration actually lied to the people, covered up things, actively obstructed congresses ability to find out pertinent facts, etc... would the Democrats on this board be upset by that, or would they just say things like, "The other team did it first!", or "The other team did worse stuff!" ?


Or would any evidence, no matter how strong, be automatically dismissed as "political"?



Any thoughts?


Honestly interested to hear....






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I'm super fiscally conservative.

I'm more liberal socially than any Democrat.

I believe in freedom and no oppressive govt. running my life.

Basically I'm sort of a hybrid "hippy" with money. :1orglaugh

Now the question is...(since you want to deflect from the issues and make this about me personally)...Just what the fuck are YOU?

A "liberal"? Who doesn't question the govt.??? Who accepts what they are doing because your "team" is in office?

Brother...the true liberals who led the way in the "modern" age would laugh at you.
Where are the Abbie Hoffman's of today? Where are the college kids like the ones who died at Kent State protesting the war?

A lot of them seem to be playing XBox and texting on their Iphones I guess. Or have a "team" mentality like some of you do and THINK you are a freedom loving liberal.

You're not a freedom loving liberal. The things you seem to espouse are not "liberal" at all. It's just big govt. and cheerleading your team to "victory"

I don't "group think" like some of y'all do.

I think your heart is in the right place.

To try and deflect the discussion of an issue by thinking you are going to "insult" me by calling me "conservative" is a joke. And a very, very lame and empty way to try to bully me in a discussion.

I promise you...my ideas and lifestyle make you look like Newt Gingrich. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

So let's stick to the argument, and don't worry about who or what you think I am.

In this thread I've stated that:
1. The Pres. and his staff went on national television and lied their asses off about a "video" to help him with his campaign against Romney.

Hillary Clinton had that moment in front of Congress where she got pissed and said: "What does it matter anyway?"

Those things (along with the affordable health care act) are going to be used by Republicans in the elections coming up.

I think it's going to hurt the Democrats in the elections this year big time.

I think it COULD hurt in the Presidential election in 2016.
BUT...I also think that the Republican candidates have to go so far insanely religious nutjob to the right that whomever wins the primary will be screwed in the national election and that should help Hillary win.

2. MSNBC is not good at entertaining people. And that's ALL that the evening shows on MSNBC and Fox News are. They are not the news.

Both channels do have decent actual news. But it's not their "talk shows" like Maddow, Matthews, etc. on MSNBC or O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. on Fox News.

But when it does come to the big ratings grabber entertainmant shows...O'Reilly and Hannity are simply far better at it than Maddow and Matthews.


Once I said these facts...all of the Democrat team players on here went berserk on me.

I don't know why.
I didn't say that I thought there is any merit to the shows on FNC except that they had a much better entertainment value (obviously).
I didn't say that I hope the Republican would win the Presidency in 2016. (I do NOT want that to happen)

I just pointed out what's happening.

But you guys are so determined to defend all that is "Democrat Party" that it's comical.

And anyone who doesn't agree?
Well they are obviously a "Republican" (and you have to say that with total disdain in your voice)

It's impossible, after all, to be anything but an EVIL Republican if you don't think in lockstep with Democrat party talking points.

Sorry. That ain't me.

Where are you grabbing these numbers? 5000 people killed by drones in countries we are not at war with? Come on.. I'm not in agreement at all with the current drone war but lets not "inflate" the numbers and try to make it sound as if every drone related death has been women and children in countries we aren't at war with.

The only numbers I've seen since Obama took office is roughly 2400. That is not quite but close to half the number you just threw out there. Where did the other 2700 deaths come from that you are claiming?

Also Just because the number is 2400 dead, does not mean that it was 2400 women, children and poor farmers innocently killed. I don't like the fact that innocent people are killed but the fact is insurgents & tangos were the bulk of the deaths.

I don't like that we are doing drone strikes in countries we aren't at war with, but fuck if countries like Pakistan allow wanted terrorist like bin Laden to live in a city next to one of their best military schools and claim they know nothing..

Not to mention they were doing little to nothing in tracking down insurgents whom were hiding on the Pakistan side of the boarder while attacking our troops in Afghanistan.

As for Somalia and drone attacks there, fuck what else do you expect us to do, when they don't even have a functioning government. Do you not see the news with all the Somali pirates hijacking ships? Should we just pretend it's not happening and do nothing to stop the tango's from organizing there?

Last but not least is Yemen whom has worked with the US and has allowed the drone strikes.

Again I'm not 100% on board the whole drone attack idea, but I understand the reason they are used and it's not like you make it out to be as if the US is just randomly striking with drones in countries with out any permission.

Not to mention your death toll numbers are over double what any report I've seen has said..Lets at least get facts right.

Would you rather we sent actual troops into places like Somalia where they have no back up or real contingency plans if things go wrong?

you are right ... Obama is no better ... he just wraps it up differently :2 cents:

Robbie you also said that the President gave a stand down order. You seem to have brushed right over that after I provided proof that it wasn't true and you didn't even acknowledge it. You simply ignored it and moved on to the next thing..

Now you keep harping on things that is very obvious that it came from Fox News.

If you are going to keep on making broad accusations and then ignoring the parts that get picked apart, then you should start backing up your accusations. You are making a accusation that he lied, yet you demand proof from us all the time, yet you never provide any.

You say he lied. Show us the video. Tell us exactly what was lied about, instead of these overly broad statement that you then creep away from as they get picked apart.

If you saw him lie on national TV like you said you did earlier in this post, then where are the videos? Obviously this would be all over youtube if he lied on TV.. so where is it?

How about a US senator.... Sorry, he only said 4700...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2727923.html

And if by permission, you mean that the administration pays off corrupt government officials in order to allow them to kill people based often on nothing more than, "Look, there is a group of people in one place.... Splat them", then you and I have differing opinions on the meaning of "permission".

http://www.globalresearch.ca/america...kistan/5356569






In any case, I guess that you answered my actual question in the post with your reply.... i.e. nothing this administration could do would bother you, as long as they have a D after their name.


Sadly, this is FAR too often the case, with both the D's and the R's.


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