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Fucking morons trying to change the subject when they can't fucking win, laughable |
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goodgirl still hasn't found a place that accepts her new coverage.
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The snippet you quoted states people can keep the same doctor and go to any doctor they want, it will just cost them more to go out of network.
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Implying that nothing will change for those that already had insurance was a huge lie to keep people behind the legislation. Even the unions are starting to complain about the new law. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...amacare-Report The 300,000-member union that was the first to endorse then-Senator Barack Obama has released a devastating Obamacare report that says Obama's controversial healthcare program will slash worker wages by up to $5 an hour, reduce worker hours, and exacerbate income inequality. |
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Why should people choose their doctors? On what basis?
Are they qualified to make any informed judgement? And the irrational desires of patients are to make organising health care more difficult and expensive for everyone. Do you choose your train drivers? Bus driver? |
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If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. And if your doctor retires, and you have to look for a new doctor you can blame OBAMA for it, because he said you can keep your doctor! |
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People can go for years seeing the same doctor, they know that their doctor knows their history, now because Obama wants to put something big under his name, even though he never read it, those people now have to look for a different doctor. How would you feel if you had a lot of medical history with a doctor that has seen you thru all of it, just to have that doctor replaced with a doctor that didn't have their schooling in the US? |
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Obama lied , Obamacare is forcing people to get different doctors |
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That's because those doctors are VOLUNTARILY removing themselves from the pool...that's just like deciding to retire. How is that Obama's fault? |
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Amen to this. I lost my family doctor of more than a decade because he decided to stop seeing patients, rather than have bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles. I am baffled by the people who argue that forcing people to buy insurance or fining them for being unable to afford it is basically universal healthcare. ACA is not universal healthcare. Universal healthcare would have been nice. Forgiveness of student loans for doctors who practice in needed areas would have been nice. Heck, contracting American web developers for this boondoggle might have at least put a few people to work at home. |
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It's mostly because of billing issues. Some healthcare plans are very difficult for doctors to get reimbursed. This is exactly what my wife does; She tells me horror stories about how she spends hours on the phone with certain companies to collect $60. They drop healthcare plans all time because of this. But this has nothing to do with the healthcare law. Go buy better insurance that is more commonly accepted. |
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Obamacare is suppose to keep things like this from happening, it's about the regulations, 20,000 pages of them that are suppose to protect people from insurance companies from doing this and it FAILS. Insurance companies are keeping down the cost by making the groups of doctors smaller, that's in this thread and the OP, try reading! |
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People are going to defend Obama's action blindly till their dying breathe and think they are right. I'm not against universal healthcare, I welcome it, but what Obama pushed down everyone's throat is not that. It's a bad law. Just wait till the employer mandate finally gets pushed thru, you think it's bad now, it's going to get worse! Obama set it back till 2016 so it won't fuck over the democrats during the midterms. |
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Obama's fault if a doctor refuses to be a part of Obamacare. |
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If so, I would blame your doctor because it seems like thousands of other doctors are readily scheduling patients despite the alleged "bureaucratic unpredictable ACA hassles." As to your other points, who says those issues will not be addressed in the future? |
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I would like access to quality healthcare. Solving the issue of getting quality healthcare for all humans is a lot more interesting to me than assigning blame. In point of fact, I have less access to quality healthcare now than I did before ACA. However you want to feel about my doctor wanting to practice medicine and not paperwork, what do you think I should do to get healthcare now? Or is that a boring question for you because you got yours and eff everybody else? |
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What doctor handles all the billing paperwork himself? That is what secretaries and health administrators are for. Like I said before, there are thousands of other doctors who seem to be handling Obamacare billing and paperwork perfectly fine. If your previous doctor is choosing to not see patients because the paperwork is too complex for him, or he just doesn't want to hire a secretary, then that is his own fault....not Obama's fault. And if your doctor's own voluntary actions have caused you to have less health care than before, again that is your doctor's fault, not Obamacare. nYou ask what you can do to get health care now? Have you signed up for Obamacare? What State do you reside in? I am glad to hear that you are not assigning blame though...my message would mainly be those that are blaming Obama or ACA, |
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They do so by limiting doctors, you can't see that? Try reading the OP and understanding it before showing everyone how little you understand about it |
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Maybe your not assigning blame on Obamacare, but a lot of doctors are. And it's not the paperwork Even physicians with no plans for career change are worried about the profession for reasons related to Obamacare. A sweeping survey of 13,575 doctors released in September by the Physicians Foundation found that 77 percent were pessimistic about the future of medicine. The main reason: malpractice lawsuits, which the president?s law did little to address. After that, the top factors cited were ?Medicare/Medicaid/government regulations,? ?reimbursement issues? and ?uncertainty/changes of health reform.? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...#ixzz31qK3rtu8 |
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They've always make adjustments to maximize profits and minimize losses.. On average 17% of plans on the individual market are canceled every year (pre Obamacare) this year it was 18%. They adjust networks, they raise premiums, it's happened every year for over a decade. The only difference is now is you people who blame Obama if you stub your toe, continue to cry about how you can't "keep your doctor" because you chose a plan your doctor doesn't accept. Apparently one side effect of Obamacare has been shinning the light on all the adults in this country who are unable to make adult decisions. If your doctor retires, or you choose an insurance plan that your doctor doesn't accept.. then no you can't keep your doctor. Is that the big admission you people want? Honestly, the President should come out and apologize for not realizing that so many Americans are incapable of picking their own insurance that meets their needs. |
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What part of "if you want to keep your doctor, you can" Don't you understand, Have you read any of this thread or are you just pulling it out of your ass from some liberal blog? Promises made to the American people and HE LIED! He should come out and apologize for lying! Why are you so accepting to the President lying to you? |
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"American patients have seen an average of 18.7 different doctors during their lives, according to a survey conducted by GfK Roper for Practice Fusion, the free, web-based Electronic Health Record (EHR) company." This study was done in 2010. It does not have to be smaller. It might just be different. The fact that you and your dr have this thing is because you are old. Older people tend to be in the frequent care category. Change is harder for you guys so that is why this Obama thing has got you so out of whack. |
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I know the name of the doctor that delivered me. With the exception of the military, I have had less than your average Saying I have a problem with this because I'm old? Keep insulting people like that and you will never live to be old enough to live that down! Besides that's not the point of this thread, it was promised that we could keep our doctors, we were lied to! Try debating that, since that's the topic of this thread and you have seemed to have lost your way! |
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All lies, maybe you don't mind being lied to by our government, but I hold them accountable, you should to, or you deserve the outcome! |
I voluntarily cancelled my old insurance plan through UnitedHealth. I then signed up through the ACA and a Sierra Nevada plan. The new plan is much better and saves me over $5k a year. Before i enrolled I looked at the provider list and everyone of my doctors, except one, accepted my new plan. The one that didn't was my eye Dr and I chose to see him out of network anyway. Because I liked my Dr and I kept him. This is available to anyone that was/is self employed.
Individuals who receive coverage through their employment do not have this choice. But they never had this choice in the first place. At anytime an employer could change the companies health care plan and an individuals primary Dr could then become 'out of network'. There is a lot wrong with the current version of the ACA. But also a lot right. What is amazing is that in reality the Dems should be the ones complaining and the Republicans should be championing the ACA (based off of their party platforms). This law is economically fantastic for small business (under 20 employees). However as usual politics has gotten in the way and instead of working together to make the law better, both parties are just digging in so they can sway their base for the mid term elections. |
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There is no added paperwork for Obamacare. A doctor still submits the billing the same exact way as they did before. |
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(Plus I wasn't lied to, I live in Chicago, didin't have a plan cancelled, but i did buy a plan off the exchange because it was a better plan.. before I chose my plan I weighed my options i wanted to be able to go to my doctor at Rush.. I contacted them beforehand AND checked out the doctors networks from the insurance company. Land of Lincoln had a better plan than I had before and it was accepted by my doctors... so I bough that, it works fine, i kept my doctor just like all capable adults. Your problems are a result of your stupidity. Nothing more nothing less.) |
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Would you study medicine then put your doctor to the test? Would you believe statistics ? Do you have a degree in Maths and understand how stats are faked / massaged or just hide a complex picture. Would you choose a doctor who tries to save hopeless cases that other doctors avoid and therefore has bad stats. Or the doctor who cherry picks easy patients. There was an episode of the Sopranos that showed the stupidity of how people choose their doctors. |
Some Doctors are not choosing to be in PPO/HMO networks as providers. It's a free country and you can pay them cash. |
So was the point of this comment threat to show everyone the stupidity/irresponsibility of the anti-Obama folks compared to the rest of the reasonable world?
So far in a couple pages, I've seen the anti people talk about how they choose a plan that didn't meet their needs and how that's Obama's fault. Compared to the reasonable adults who talked about how they got informed, weighed their options and made choices which worked best for them (be it network size, premiums, deductibeles, etc...) Wouldn't the easiest solution for you people who "lost" your doctors, have been to spend less time crying on message boards and maybe have spent a few hours researching your insurance options, and using that informed decision? Maybe it would have cost you more to get a plan your doctored accepted. That's how the market works... you weigh your options price, accessibility, and you make a decision (Same for you people crying about having deductibles that are too high.. you chose a high deductible plan in exchange for lower monthly premiums, that was your choice... same choice people have been making for decades when they buy insurance) If Obamacare was an insurance plan and Obama forced everyone to drop their private insurance and be on "Obamacare" and your doctor didn't accept it, then yes you'd be able to say Obama took away your access to your dr. BUT Obamacare is a series of insurance company regulations You buy private insurance, you have a market place of different plans (you also can buy directly from the insurance companies) you carry private insurance that you chose. If your doctor doesn't accept the insurance you chose.. that's on you |
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