Hey asshole, who's fake nick are you?


I just love how people are defending the fact that Obama lied about if you can keep your doctor with Obamacare!

He fucking lied to get his law passed, fuck him

AmeliaG, if you are still reading this, I would like to know exactly why you feel you do not have access to quality health car anymore.

Do you reside in California? If so, CoveredCalifornia (which is Obamacare in CA) is readily available to EVERY California resident. I know this for a fact because I signed up for it last year.

I didn't understand her comment either. She has the same access to healthcare as before.

LOL, wow, so you are calling Amelia a liar because it's different for you, what an asshole!

So you are calling her a liar too? This is the only way you have to debate anything isn't it?

I never called AmeliaG a liar, nor did I even suggest it. I asked her specifically why she feels she does not have access to quality health care given that CoveredCalifornia readily accepts all California residents.

And I never hurled any vulgarities towards you, so why you insist doing that to me is odd.

Wow, you are so hostile. I never called her a liar. I said "I didn't understand her comment either". I didn't call her any names, I didn't say anything about a lie, I just said I failed to understand her comment. You really shouldn't put words into other people's mouths.

Note that I have you ignore and I cannot see your posts unless I specifically click on "view post" or what not. It makes reading GFY much more pleasant when I don't have see you complaining about everything again. (And again.)

AmeliaG, if tou are still reading this thread, please know that I am not calling you a liar like Vendzilla claimed, nor is that my intent. I just want to know wht you feel you do not have access to quality health care? I am confused by that statement and would like to know more details. Maybe I can help you find the access you need through CoveredCalifornia (if you are a CA resident)?

You tell her that you know for a FACT, because you signed up for it, do you really believe that it's the same for everyone? Are you so fucking arrogant that you can't believe what she said?

She does live in California and she is have less access to healthcare, but you don't believe her, simple saying, you are calling her a liar!

Which makes you an asshole.

You have me on ignore yet call me out in threads I start, makes you an asshole

You put me on ignore because every point you try to make, I call you on and you have no proof of your claims. Just more innuendos.

I call it like I see it

She said she doesn't have the same access, what fucking part of that don't you understand troll?

I should stop this, I'm having too much fun.

It's amazing to see people back into their hole when they can't back up their claims

Yes it is a fact that CoveredCalifornia is available to every California resident. That's what it is there for, to sign up California residents. That's why I wanted to know of AmeliaG is a California resident.

AmeliaG said shes she has less access to quality health care. Just because I question the veracity of that statement does not mean I am calling AmeliaG a liar. For all I know, without knowing more of her details, maybe she is just MISTAKEN in her belief. Callinf her mistaken is totally different than calling her liar. That is why I am asking her for details, to get to the bottom of her health care access problems and hopefully to help her.

Maybe I took it too far with that, but she is a friend and someone I have a lot of respect for, hell Rochard is a friend, just not as much respect, LOL.

I defend my friends with fire and brimstone, anyone that knows me away from this forum, knows that. I haven't talked to Amelia or Forrest in a while, but if they called in the middle of the night out of need, I would help them. They both have my number.

I'll even send the both of them an invite to my wedding next year, there will be a lot of patched bikers there, they will fit right in! I have some very boisterous friends

It was clear to me she is not having the same access to healthcare now as she did before the ACA and that should have been taken at just that. Saying you had facts rubbed the wrong way! Rochard saying she has the same access as before shows he has trouble with the English language!

When someone says they have less access to quality health care now versus before ACA, and at the same time CoveredCalifornia is readily accepting all California residents, there is a conflict between those two positions. That's why it is difficult to accept AmeliaG's statement as 100% accurate. Maybe she is mistaken about her perceived lack of health care access. Maybe I am mistaken. We're all human. none of us perfect. Which is the reason why I asked for more details...to solve the problem.

Wow, just read this on the beast, yes I read liberal blogs too, posted 6 hours ago

The Obama administration has approved ?reference pricing? for insurance companies, which means they can put a cap on what health insurance plans will pay for expensive procedures like knee and hip replacements. Critics of the move argue that this will leave patients with more expensive hospital bills and undercuts the protections put in place in the president?s healthcare reform law. Insurers and their advocates argue it?s a much needed tool to reduce costs. Even federal regulators are skeptical, however, recently admitting in a policy ruling that reference pricing ?may be subterfuge? on ?otherwise prohibited limitations on coverage.? The Departments of Labor and Health and Human Services say they will monitor the effects.


I have to ask, what gives the Obama Administration the right to make changes in the law like this?

See, here you go again

You are saying access to insurance

She said access to healthcare

You see the difference now?

Problem solved, remember this thread is about lack of doctors, not lack of insurance. Good insurance is shit if you can't find a doctor that will take it

Lol Shut the fuck up. PROAGANDA? Really? Do you even remember this, you dumb fuck?

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"We built that" - a whole entire political campaign based on SOMETHING OBAMA NEVER EVEN SAID. haha

So go prey to your deity saint Ronald Reagan, stick a gun barrel up your ass, Bitch how "deyy terrrk errr jerrbs!" to anyone who will listen, investigate the moon landies, then shut the fuck up.

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What a bunch of fucking ignorant assholes.

CoveredCalifornia is not health insurance. CoveredCalifornia is the California version of Obamacare...an exchange where people who want access to healthcare can choose from multiple private health insurance plans.

If someone wants access to quality healthcare in California, accessing CoveredCalifornia website is the first step in achieving that goal.

Again with the name calling.

What part of her statement do I not understand? The part where she said "I have less access to quality healthcare now than I did before ACA". You accept this as fact because it fits your agenda, yet all we have is a statement with zero information.

First you said you had me on ignore, you lied

Second, You bash me all the time, so quit whining

Ignorant?

That would mean you are right, but you are wrong

what he said was

?If you?ve got a business, you didn?t build that,?

That's an exact quote .

Which means you are ignorant

So the GOP jumped on that and said we built it!

Get the peanut butter out of your head! LOL, that's funny some of the shit you believe

I didn't lie at all. I do in fact have you on ignore. (http://screencast.com/t/6mjq8rSh)

I do bash you all the time. Your problem is you are a hardcore Republican, believe in this like a religion, and all you do is repeat the political propaganda without researching anything on your own and without thinking. You are exactly what any political party wants.

The entire Republican strategy right now is "make the other side look bad at all costs". This is not working.

The healthcare issue is a classic example. We need healthcare, we modified Romneycare to work on the national level, we did away with "pre-existing conditions", allowed children to stay on their parent's plan longer, and other changes that are beneficial. Does it cost some people more? I'm sure in some cases it did - it's a national law. But for most people it went down. More people are on healthcare than ever before. People complain about having issues with access to a doctor or medical group; These problems have existed for forty years. But still the Republican party wants to kill this law at all costs without understanding they've already lost. Even if they have this law removed it will still be a loss for the Republican party, and also all Americans who will have invested billions into it only to be returned to square one.

Congress has the lowest approval rating in my lifetime. Time to start doing their job instead of bitching like children.

Damn man, I am sorry to hear this....she needs this. Hope she finds a doc soon.

I opted out of the ACA as it was not able to allow me or my employees access to the best local hospitals that are close to us. 45 minute drive to Atlanta when things are dire or emergency is not an option.

Keep an eye out for something I think is going to be brilliant! The local "healthcare group" here is Wellstar, they are implementing a way to offer their own insurance, provided by them and policed by them. No more paying for unnecessary treatments, cause it will cost them bottom line.
I think this is the switch that needs to happen, and the doctors will stop running from this trainwreck the administration has caused.
Win win for all involved, and the government will be shut out of the whole process.
This is something I will gladly pay for, good local, and affordable treatment with out wondering where to go?
And yes, I will gladly pay for my employees insurance knowing it will work.

I do not blame the Doctors that run from that program at all, they need to make a living as well. Ever tried to get payed on a government contract? I have, and will never do another, Ever.

LOL, then why are we having a conversation?

BINGO, so quit your whining

Registered Libertarian, I just don't like the president, has nothing to do with his party, try to pay attention
Democrats do it better, I know.
Here it is, when did I ever say we didn't need better healthcare? Never
You keep saying this like it's new
Congress approval rating 13%, but you know that includes democrats right? So I really don't know where the fuck you get this is about the republicans. Congress is made up of the senate and the house, senate is controlled by the democrats, so blaming the republicans, pretty fucking ignorant if you ask anyone that knows
Obama approval rating 41%


So keep at it Richard, just showing how little you know about whats going on!


Oh, did I tell you about me working on a democratic super pac for Hillary??

Can't say I'm surprised this was your response. When someone points out the stupidity of your comments.. respond with baseless accusations. I'm me, honestly joined this place over Zombaio payout issues and want to respond to that, but if I can do this country a service by pointing out the stupidity if your comments. It's a bonus.

As for Obama, I honestly couldn't careless about some random speech. However the fact still remains IF you want to keep your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you choose to not pick a plan your doctor accepts, pay him in cash. I don't care. All I care about, is people like you need to grow up. Blaming Obama for your choices is childish.

How was ACA not going to allow you to access the best hospitals? Obamacare is a bunch of regulations, you buy private insurance. What you meant was you couldn't find a private insurance plan which was cheap enough for you which allowed you to access to best hospitals (which is a decision made by hospitals and insurance companies not by Obama)

And just a FYI -- Wellstar is a huge supporter of the law, their plan is in large faliciated by Obamacare they aren't really a good example to use as someone who as trying to "beat" Obamacare, they've been on of the most public supporters of the law since the Supreme Court ruling.

So that's your plan, get obamacare, but pay cash if you want your doctor? Are you that dense?

Grow up, so in your world, lying is acceptable?

And it wasn't a random speech , it was a campaign promise to get his law passed, he lied !

So if you want to debate facts, go for it, but if you just want to debate others facts with your opinion, don't expect us to play nice, Go Fuck Yourself !!!

Mostly because I am bored and I find chats on GFY about Obamacare comical. We've needed healthcare for some time now, and finally someone did something about it. In the end this healthcare law will be accepted by the vast majority and participation will increase. If we are lucky, it will work out as well as Romeycare did in Mass.

I'm not whining. You are. You started the thread, which was nothing more than you beating a dead horse.

And I fail to understand why.

When he was elected we were at the lowest point since the Great Depression and our economy in a complete free fall. He did exactly what was needed. He calmed every one down, righted the damn ship, and is slowly getting the economy where it belongs. Keep in mind this is not a four or eight year problem - This is more like a ten to twenty year problem.

Our economy is exactly where we realistically expected it to be. Unemployment is down, new housing is up (18% as of this morning), stock market is up, individual wealth is up, everything is doing better. You will argue the unemployment statistic until you are out of breath, and then say something like "but our wealth is down compared to 2006" which is obvious because everyone's wealth is down because our economy and housing market and stock market crashed.

Yeah, Congress has an approval rate of 13%, and yes, that includes Democrats. The entire political agenda of the Republicans in Congress has been to trash the President (and Obamacare). Nothing is getting done because of this.

This is the worst possible strategy for the Republican party. They are wasting four years, getting nothing done, and when it comes time to run in 2016 the Dems will say we have an improving economy and a working healthcare plan, and the Republicans will have little more than bad breath.

You keep telling yourself how smart you are, while you make threads complaining using catch phrases directly from Fox News.

No, not caring; I am not a Democrat.

I believe Hillary will win, but I think she's a horrible choice. This has been a planned and well though out scheme to get her into the Oval Office that started shortly after Clinton left the White House. She's been a political insider most of her life, was first lady, a Senator with no track record, and then Secretary of State with no major accomplishments. It might qualify her for the White House, but it surely doesn't make her any good. Then again, Obama had a less than impressive track record and he's sitting in the Oval Office right now.

But I think she'll win - mostly because the Republican party will have had no accomplishments in the past eight years, and after having a black president Americans will be much more receptive to a women president.

I do think it will be amusing to see her debate, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

First off, Welcome to GFY :321GFY
No, I had an insurance salesman come to the shop, highly recommended, we looked at all the plans he had to offer. None of those plans would keep us in a local network, Keyser was the only option.
Second, of course the are proponents of the law to pass, otherwise their is no way the could implement such a plan, as offering Their own insurance. I feel it is a great example of how to stick the whole dick back up their asses.
End game, we are all screwed, just let us choose who we are fucked by.:thumbsup

What's comical is when people show you where you are wrong and you are too dense to accept it, you go on with what you believe even though it's wrong

I'm not the asshole that's got someone on ignore and arguing with them, how fucking stupid is that?
Our wealth is down, but you seem to think it's up, the median wage keeps dropping because people are forced to take jobs that pay less, that's the only reason the unemployment is down, I keep telling you this, I have shown you proof, but you are too dense to accept it

But you only see fault in the republicans, it's both sides, that's why I became a libertarian.

According to the polls, you are wrong

I quote facts, ( read the OP, it's facts)you are the one that wants to argue them, you think that makes you smart?
I just posted from The Beast, a very liberal website that's pointing out some shitty thing the President is doing, you are cherry picking. I hardly ever post from Fox, other networks are finally believing what a fucked up mess we are in where the president can lie about anything he wants and idiots like you will accept it

Yet you still think I'm a republican, just because I think Obama is a bad president

Ok, Richard, you want to beat a dead horse by bringing up fox, here, this is a link from NPR, one of the most liberal news outlets on the net, make MSNBC look like fox and here's what they just wrote about Obamacare.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014...up-health-plan

Obamacare Prompts Firm To Consider Dropping Its Health Plan

AmeriMark's human resources director, Greg Lyons, says the Affordable Care Act is adding to the company's costs. "It probably affects our premiums in the neighborhood of 8 percent," he says.

Thinking it's just Fox proves you don't read shit and can't be convinced that anything negative can be said about Obamacare

And if that isn't enough for you, you know how Obama is pushing for income equality? Turns out his staff at the white house, women make less than men at the same job!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/us...tiny.html?_r=0


Fucking hypocrite

My doctor, of course, had an administrative staff. Over the years, as the paperwork became more onerous, he joined a group of doctors who could share a larger staff. When it was going to be a whole new nightmare of re-training or re-hiring the staff, he decided to spend his time on medical research instead of seeing patients.

How would signing up for ACA get me healthcare of equal or superior quality? What would the mechanism of that be?

I do not have health insurance now. I did not have health insurance before. But I used to have a brilliant and compassionate doctor. Now I do not.

Are you a full-time webmaster or is this a side thing to supplement a different primary occupation? (Not asking to be combative, but to determine how you could have qualified.)

CoveredCalifornia's system helps almost nobody who has a business because the State of California bases your ability to pay on how much your business grosses and not how much it nets. One of my grad school professors (who I like) is one of the architects of ACA and I reached out to him when I found that out and he felt that, well, that was just California and it was up to each state to determine various aspects.

Yet 25% of small and medium-sized business owners and their employees were not insured prior to ACA -- a large portion of the uninsured pool.

Big corporations have a cap on how large their fines can be for not insuring their people, but there is no such cap for small and medium-sized businesses.

In my specific case, the care I had been very happy with ceased to be available. But that wasn't what I was referring to.

If we wanted healthcare reform in this country (and I think the majority did), then we should have addressed issues of access to healthcare and not another bailout of corporate welfare for the insurance industry. Apologies if I was unclear. Does that make sense?

Signing up for ACA, through Covered California, will present you with numerous different insurance plans, with different levels of coverages and prices. You need to signup for it and enter your details to see the available plans/prices. It all largely based on your income.

There is no way to answer your question definitively if you haven't even tried signing up yet. Right now as it stands, you are just assuming that there is no quality health care available using any of the insurance plans on the CoveredCalifornia exchange. To me that is short sighted. How do you know that there are no quality health care providers, that will accept an insurance plan listed on the exchange, if you haven't even tried yet?

I understand that. But your situation is not Obama's fault. Your former doctor made his own choice to stop seeing patients. And there are "brilliant and compassionate" doctors that accept insurance plans listed on the exchange. The least you could do is signup for CoveredCalifornia, choose an insurance plan, then see if there the quality of health care is up to your standards. Right now you are just assuming there is nothing on there that will satisfy your needs.

You can bitch and moan about the ACA all day long but the bottom line is something had to be done, health care in this country was becoming dangerously divided.

The ACA isnt perfect, I wont even call it good but at least its trying.

the big mistake by the Obama administration was in allowing the Insurance companies to write the law.

Ultimately its going to slowly move rowards single payer/Universal healthcare

We decided that quality healthcare is a right...now it has to be paid for, plain and simple.

All the Hannity Horseshit isnt going to change that simple fact

Every legal resident of California qualifies for insurance through CoveredCalifornia. Even people without any income whatsoever qualifies. I am self employed, and currently I am getting a better insurance plan for less than I was paying before. Like I said before, you need to actually signup first to see all the available options. Each person's premium will be different based upon the coverage you desire and your income.

You've asked me a lot of questions and I have been forthcoming.

Please answer my questions:

(1) Are you a full-time webmaster?

(2) How would signing up for a plan via CoveredCalifornia help get me healthcare?