He was far more broken than the typical unpopular bullied kid. Lots of things contributed to the monster he became. Whether to have any pity for him is up to each individual and how they view the world.

There are lots of spoiled, entitled, misogynistic ego maniacs, they don't become what Elliot Rodger became.

I came across an article that said very similar things, that basically santa barbara was a place filled with misogyny where wealthy men had trophy women, girls generally didn't have jobs and were objects to be seen by the pool, on the arm of a man,etc. they were not people but more like prizes to be won.

I've made it to him being 16 and I am not enjoying reading his story. When you hear that Rodger had seen therapists off and on since he was nine years old and they decided he possessed "an underlying sadness", that is not my conclusion with his first sixteen years. I can't believe how he has gone through his life so far, at 16, extracting hatred out of every little thing that didn't go his way and totally unappreciative of the privileged upbringing he has had. His parent's answer to everything so far is to buy him yet another computer game, toys, the fastest computer, a skateboard, or present him with more playmates to agitate and feed his obvious anger to human life.

Agree. I read an article yesterday that said he was never formerly diagnosed with Aspergers, that the family only *suspected* he was somewhere on the spectrum.

Article here

Kid was fucked up from the start, did you notice how many times he says he cried? Every other day of his life he's breaking down in tears, often in front of relatives or friends. That ain't normal.

Nothing about the kid was normal, he seems like an alien. What 22 year old guy describes their dinner meal as 'exquisite' and refers to big jocks as 'brutes'?

Divorce of his parents sure didn't help though, it's incredible how many different homes and schools he moved in and out of. He was bought a lot of things but for an upper middle class kid it didn't seem that he was given any more than other kids. The trips abroad, often flying first class, the parties at rich friends of the family etc - that's where he got this elitist expectations from. I think his family was less affluent than those around him - some of the places he lived with his mother were very ordinary.

Yawn Yawn

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What an entitled little cocksucker this guy was. I don't think the girls weren't attracted to him, I think the problem was that he spoke to them and they were like "this guy is a little shit"

I found losing my virginity much easier once I stopped devoting the entirety of my time to writing a hundred page autobiographical manifesto on why the world deserved everything that was coming to it because I was still a virgin.



If you want to get to know a woman you are attracted to follow these simple steps:

-Speak to her like she is an intelligent human being
-Show her respect
-Ask her to have dinner with you
-Repeat as necessary

It's not that fucking difficult.

That rarely worked for me. I began getting way hotter and more frequent sex after:

I discovered that speaking to her like she is your little sister works best. Tease her, make fun of her like a jerk older brother would do.

Show her friends and rivals respect. Make her think you barely notice her.

Never take her to dinner, just make plans for 10 pm and after and you don't have to worry about it. Woman dump on guys who take them to dinner.

Repeat often with several women to hone your skills.

l can understand the tantrums and crying he did prior to being a teenager, my neighbour's kid does that daily, turns it on and off like a tap and she is nine. Being moved from school to school was definitely not helping his development. And his worry that he was smaller than others in height as he was getting older, into his teens, understandable, but that is all I can credit him for. It stood out when he wrote he DIDN'T fly first-class one time, how he took it for granted his family always did; that is something not many in Santa Barbara will be able to boast, surely? For him to extract outright distaste from the most minor situation then never forget it, and to set his goals to be something he could never be, he was always destined to become this fucked-up person. He was obsessed by the word 'first' – his whole story is littered with examples, and who can remember every single birthday they had from the age of three? I'm struggling to remember my last one, in February. I was expecting him to be a recluse, never having had friends, the awkward kid no one sat next to, but that has not happened. He was mostly liked or put up with, sociable, and had lots of genuine buddies... so far.

The rest of his story I am expecting to be ever so dark. I'm not enjoying being in the head of a lunatic, I'm leaving that until tomorrow.

The area I grow up in was "varied", the high school even more so. We had seven local school districts pouring into one high school with about a thousand kids. Of the districts was from the richest township in the state, while others were from the bottom of the barrel. It was interesting. Most of us had cars in high school, although I don't remember anyone having a brand new BMW or Mercedes. Then again, when I was in high school, BMW and Mercedes wasn't really on our radar - only a doctor would drive such a car.

We had one death in our high school. In fact, she was the first girl I ever danced with at a high school dance. Her car went off a cliff not too far from my house. It was a dangerous stretch of road really.

Then again, I came from a pretty boring area of New Jersey.

As for the chick Mutt is talking about, she clearly wanted to think she was living dangerously but never could follow through on doing anything. She takes some sexy photos for Facebook, lists herself on MM, and then calls herself a model.

As for her friends, well, they want to live dangerously too. Mommy and daddy supply them with cars and pay their rent while they go to college, which really means all they do is drink and do drugs.

Sad really.

I've never been dumped on for taking a woman to dinner, and I do just fine for myself.

I was speaking in general terms here. My point was, if you act like a rational human you can meet women quite easily. Spend less time acting like you're the world's punching bag and more time being social and making an effort to meet people and everything will work out in your favor. This little shitbag spent his time feeling bad for himself.

So this guy was partially home schooled...surprise surprise.

A victim's Father speaks:



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Mutt is now the definition of a creeper

I read the manifesto from start to finish in an afternoon marathon.

What surprised me was the amount of minute detail he poured out about his life. The kid had to have been keeping some sort of constant diary or journal as he grew up. I can't believe he just rattled all this stuff off from the top of his head.

I'd be hard-pressed to recall what I did a few weeks ago - let alone the intricate details of my entire past life. This kid had detailed memories of who taught him to play on a swing-set at age five?!

But I agree with you Mutt about the empathy...at least until it was obvious he'd gone off the rails. But we have to remember - he wrote this from HIS subjective perspective. It would be interesting to hear the alternate versions from friends and family that had to deal with him.

I got the feeling that he had fairly decent parents who eventually ran out of time, patience or methods of dealing with him - and perhaps left him to his own devices in the hopes he would somehow self-correct (which obviously didn't happen).

No surprise at all.
Probably, he was at first client of all those Pick-up gurus and forums, then when it didnt work for him, he went to Puahate.

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2014...p-artist-site/

add some psycho problems in his head and you have an explosive mix.

You're one of those 'obnoxious brutes' who gets all the pretty girls! :mad:

Another GFY failure who had to slink back on here with a new nickname. For anybody who thinks all Jews are smart and successful - I present CamBoss as evidence otherwise.

A cam studio pimp calling somebody else a creeper. :1orglaugh

Richard Martinez, a father of one of the victims, delivered a powerful speech at the UCSB Memorial today:



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I wondered the same thing. He was a journal writer, he mentions a journal at some point in the manifesto and police took a handwritten journal from his apartment or his mother's home I read.

People who write are the types who observe more than participate and commit things to memory or journals, it's part of being the type of person who becomes a writer rather than say a photographer or doctor. They also embellish their memories, and I bet he did a fair amount of it in that manifesto.

It took me an evening and then a couple hours the next day to read it, it's 110,000 words, about the same length as the average thriller novel, 300 pages or so.

perspicacious - word for today
 

perspicacious - having or showing an ability to notice and understand things that are difficult or not obvious

Why so butthurt? You were stalking teenagers and saying how adorable an underage girl's photos were. Thats as creepy as it gets. You sound like a total pedo. Not saying you are one.

As for my nick change, I sold the program with that site's url for a healthy profit.

Perhaps someday I can be as upstanding as you and hunt down the youngest looking girls possible to obsess over for a couple years before releasing a nifty solo site :thumbsup

Listen to this Father of one of the UCSB shooting victims:



I wonder if the NRA leadership would change it's tune if it was their sons and daughters being massacred. :disgust

It won't surprise me if one of these days a parent of a victim of one of these preventable gun tragedies shows up at an NRA event with some assault weapons, since I can't imagine what it is like to be a parent of one of the kids killed to have to listen to the NRA dishonor the death of their child, by continuing to lobby to block even simple things like background checks:

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Didn't this dude pass a background check when he purchased his weapons? He didn't have a criminal record, is that correct? So under what system or series of background checks would they have denied him purchasing a firearm, as opposed to any one of the millions of other responsible firearm owners who passed the checks?

http://m.keyt.com/image/view/-/26171...ictims-jpg.jpg

Yes, which was why my post included this quote:

At the point when he was reported by a psychiatrist and his parents to the Police, I think that should put him on a watch list at the very least (the rules for gun ownership are too lax currently).

A person can't buy/possess simple fireworks in the County where I reside, but they can quite easily walk into a gun dealer and purchase enough weapons and ammo to wreak total havoc and destroy numerous lives if they were so inclined. :disgust

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That's all fine and good, but no background check will do anything about face to face gun sales. It's a uphill battle no matter how you look at it. For every rule you can make to stop it, there will be some way around it.

The problem is you don't want to create a situation where you make criminals out of law abiding people and these sort of mass shootings will never be regulated away unless every gun in the country disappears.

What we should be doing is tossing out all these ridiculous drug crimes that clog up the for profit justice system and put mandatory life with no parole sentences on any felony conviction that a gun or knife was used.

Stop wasting time with non violent offenders doing drug related crimes and start dealing with violent criminals and throwing the book at them. No it wont stop random spree killings but it would certainly put a dent in the bulk of gun/knife related crimes by getting violent criminal off the streets.

This thoughts expressed in this video sum up my feelings fairly well...



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I'm having a hard time withholding comments here, you know me I like to state my views here at teh gfy but the simple fact is as much as I try, I can't put myself in the shoes of anyone involved in the event. Not the victims, not the victim's dad, not the shooter, well, I think I can kinda see wtf there, but not his parents, not the multiple therapists seeing this guy, not the police interviewing him.

That leads me to think this is a completely random event and it's very difficult to legislate random acts. As much as I would like a way to keep guns from people like this, I'd be hard-pressed to change laws based on background checks, if those background checks are psychology based. The science isn't there.

I do think there is value in what crockett stated re: prison reform and I also think there is value in media reform. The media is very responsible here, well, a better way to say that is the media is very irresponsible here.

I'm a little unclear what you mean by "reported to the police" by his parents or psychiatrist, assuming that is even true in either case. Are you suggesting that any person who has ever had a police complaint made against them by another person at any time for any reason should have their Second Amendment rights suspended?

I have no problem with background checks for people to purchase guns but there have to be specific rules in place, like for example, anyone who has ever been convicted of a felony cannot purchase a gun or maybe some other particular criteria. You can't just play Monday Morning Quarterback and say in hindsight, "Well, look, this guy was clearly crazy, he shouldn't have been allowed to purchase a gun.", but then not have a system of rules in place that prevents that. It's disingenuous.

Well you can't legislate based on these kind of event because in almost all instances they get the guns legally. However the week prior to his mass killing spree 80 people were killed with guns around the country.

What I'd be interested in, is seeing a break down of each individual gun related death and see them categorized by things like violent crime, lovers quarrel, accident, self defense, random argument, was gun ownership legal or criminal...ect..ect..

It's hard to judge where the problem is, aside people dying, when we just get body count numbers, rather than reasons behind the deaths. For what ever reason no one seems to track that kind of data, at least no one I've seen.

If you know where the gun deaths are coming from, then you better know how to attack the issue.