Lol!!!

First of all Jeb, it has EVERYTHING To do with it. Republicans are bitching and moaning about Obama trading 5 ugly fucks for 1 American kid, but hold up Ronald Fuckhead Regan like he's some kind of god. Did you forget that this crazy old bastard traded 1500 Missiles for hostages back in 1985? What was your republican outrage then? Obama traded only 5 ugly fucks, and you and other republicans freak out? What bunch of pathetic old bastards.

Republicans are becoming the biggest joke in the world. Every day in every way they say and do more and more stupid shit, and wonder why they only people that love them are crazy whack jobs like Bundy the Cowboy Welfare queen. LOL!!

Quote from Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey, the highest-ranking American military officer.

The U.S.' top military official on Tuesday defended the controversial prisoner swap that freed Army sergeant Bowe Bergdahl, even as he said the military would look into the circumstances surrounding Bergdahl's capture.

"Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty," Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey said in a statement Tuesday morning.

" Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred," the statement continued. But Dempsey defended the Obama administration's decision amid a burgeoning controversy over its decision to free five prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay in exchange for Bergdahl's release.

no he isnt, some soldiers accused him of that. The military hasnt but you cant blame obama for that and would have to be happy a soldier came home.

Obama could save a drowning nun and there would be those who complain that he's thwarted God's will.

-since Jan 2009.

How long had the prisoners been held for? Surely they will only be releasing people they have interrogated to the point of not even knowing who they are any more and its a waste of time still detaining them. Might even be an advantage to release them if they can be tracked once out.

fucking republitards!

http://i.imgur.com/inaGVZS.jpg

I'm disappointed in you. Our military does not leave it's members behind. If someone disappears from his post in the middle of the night on a military base in a combat zone, should we just say "not our problem" and carry on? What the fuck kind of logic is that?

I'm not sure how you did things in the Navy, but in the Marine Corps we counted every last man. If one man was missing, we stopped everything until that man was found. We did this so that in a combat zone if we lost someone we know about it quickly and know what to do.

This man most likely deserted his post. Wonderful - let's bring him back, find out what happened, and if need be put in front of a firing squad. (I'm so not joking.) But we don't just walk away and say "not our problem".

It seems there was some kind of law in place saying the President had to notify Congress of a pending prisoner release from Gitmo. However, it seems he did. This wasn't something that suddenly happened in the past week - and it seems that over the course of the past five months Congress was kept in the loop about this.

Calling people names is always so classy.

The truth is you have made no secret that you hate the President, and your posts are pretty predictable.

At a certain point in time we need to let these people go. Having Gitmo was a great loop hole and allowed us to arrested, detain, and interrogate these guys... But we cannot hold them until the end of time without a trial.

at least one of the dudes exchanged for this soldier is behind the murder of 1000s of people.

We should negotiate with terrorists. Then kill them directly after the deal.

I don't see why we don't give in to the demands of the African school girl kidnappers. Make a trade, then track them down and kill all of them.

We're not responsible for exacting justice over there. They didn't kidnap our girls. :)

I think you should try reading my post again. :2 cents:

Who exactly are the five we traded? Do we even know?

Sure, let's do that.

You said:

"I was only saying that if we knew 100% he was a deserter I would not risk lives on getting him back; security perspective or not. That's what cruise missiles are for."

So what exactly are you trying to say? Because we "think" he "might" be a "deserter" that we should instantly kill him? We just launch cruise missiles against American servicemen because "someone says they might have committed a crime"?

Fucking Brilliant.

Fuck you, This is not about partisan politics you Canadian Cheese dick

Obama traded a deserter for five top Taliban,

They did it in Afghanistan without the knowledge of the Afghanistan government.

He did so after signing imposed statutory restrictions on the transfer of detainees from Guantánamo Bay.

Six soldiers from his unit lost their lives looking for Bergdahl after he slipped under a fence with a change of clothes. Never intending to come back.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...liban/9884769/






So I have to ask you Cheese Dick, Are you for releasing terrorist?



http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ing-gitmo.html

Even this very liberal blog knows how bad this is

So you have sympathy for deserters that cost the lives of 6 men in his unit looking for him

They didn't lose him, he left on his own, the men in his unit are all saying this

So you would let lose 5 top terrorist that have killed Americans for one person that may be shot for his actions, pretty fucking lame

They were given 5 hours notice, they were suppose to get 30 days, if what you said was true which it isn't, Obama wouldn't have had to use an executive order. Remember his speech where he said he would empty GITMO by the end of 2014, this was a test

You have proved your head is so far up his ass, he can shit on your country and you smell roses

Don't make it partisan?

If this was Ronald Reagan, George Bush or his semi-retarded son (hah, I kid) then this thread would unquestionably be VERY different. The difference would be pretty much on party lines and if you don't think so, you just aren't paying attention.

There is only one party who put on a concerted effort on every political talk show this past weekend to call out this guy for not being a REAL POW. Zero guesses.

Obama didn't even tell the afghan government they were releasing the Taliban inside their country.

Soldier yes, deserter NO

Hey Cheese dick, I'm all for trading for hostages with countries, this was done inside Afghanistan without the knowledge of the Afghan government for a deserter. It was done with Terrorist. Compare apples with apples asshole!

So Go FuckYourself

And as far as the GOP, they are not suffering as much as the democrats in the polls and with this, every serviceman out there is going to turn on them when they find this asshole guilty of deserting

interesting..

They did this in Afghanistan without the Afghan government knowledge. How would you feel if known high ranking terrorist were released in your country without your knowledge?

The more I read about this, the more pissed I get.

Why would any reasonable leader, release terrorist in the country they were terrorist in without even telling the government of that country?

i dunno.. if it comes down to an time sensitive agreement that will free a soldier, no matter the controversy, i see the logic behind even 'breaking laws'

but this is becoming quite the shitstorm

Khair Ulla Said Wali Khairkhwa
Khairkhwa was an early member of the Taliban in 1994 and was interior minister during the Taliban's rule. He hails from the same tribe as Afghan President Hamid Karzai and was captured in January 2002. Khairkhwa's most prominent position was as governor of Herat province from 1999 to 2001, and he was alleged to have been "directly associated" with Osama bin Laden. According to a detainee assessment, Khairkhwa also was probably associated with al Qaeda's now-deceased leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al Zarqawi. He is described as one of the "major opium drug lords in western Afghanistan" and a "friend" of Karzai. He was arrested in Pakistan and was transferred to Guantanamo in May 2002. During questioning, Khairkhwa denied all knowledge of extremist activities.


Mullah Mohammad Fazl
Fazl commanded the main force fighting the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance in 2001, and served as chief of army staff under the Taliban regime. He has been accused of war crimes during Afghanistan's civil war in the 1990s. Fazl was detained after surrendering to Abdul Rashid Dostam, the leader of Afghanistan's Uzbek community, in November 2001. He was wanted by the United Nations in connection with the massacre of thousands of Afghan Shiites during the Taliban's rule. "When asked about the murders, he did not express any regret," according to the detainee assessment. He was alleged to have been associated with several militant Islamist groups, including al Qaeda. He was transferred into U.S. custody in December 2001 and was one of the first arrivals at Guantanamo, where he was assessed as having high intelligence value.

Mullah Norullah Noori
Noori served as governor of Balkh province in the Taliban regime and played some role in coordinating the fight against the Northern Alliance. Like Fazl, Noori was detained after surrendering to Dostam, the Uzbek leader, in 2001. Noori claimed during interrogation that "he never received any weapons or military training." According to 2008 detainee assessment, Noori "continues to deny his role, importance and level of access to Taliban officials." That same assessment characterized him as high risk and of high intelligence value
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Abdul Haq Wasiq
Wasiq was the deputy chief of the Taliban regime's intelligence service. His cousin was head of the service. An administrative review in 2007 cited a source as saying that Wasiq was also "an al Qaeda intelligence member" and had links with members of another militant Islamist group, Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin. Wasiq claimed, according to the review, that he was arrested while trying to help the United States locate senior Taliban figures. He denied any links to militant groups.

Mohammad Nabi Omari
Omari was a minor Taliban official in Khost Province. According to the first administrative review in 2004, he was a member of the Taliban and associated with both al Qaeda and another militant group Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin. He was the Taliban's chief of communications and helped al Qaeda members escape from Afghanistan to Pakistan. Omari acknowledged during hearings that he had worked for the Taliban but denied connections with militant groups. He also said that he had worked with a U.S. operative named Mark to try to track down Taliban leader Mullah Omar.

They had been working on this for a while, Obama just didn't want to deal with Congress as usual.

So he used an executive order to bypass them, just like he promised he would be doing during his state of the union address.

He's going to use this as a precedent to empty gitmo I bet, so do others.

Wait for new kidnappings to happen for leverage for more releases.



Here's what I would have done, wait for one of them to need surgery for something, put an implant in him with a homing signal device and then, after the trade, hit that target with a drone after they got back home

Fazl was the one I was thinking of, ugh.

kinda thinking that is what they did.

thing is with this 'congressional approval' thing.. they need that to go to war period.

funny how that never comes up.

In fact I do not have sympathy for deserters. If he is in fact a deserter he has the right to a trial, then if found guilty we can have a firing squad.

At what point in time did Americans give up their tight to be innocent until proven guilty? At what point did Americans loose their right to a trial?

So no trial is needed, right?

Top five terrorists? Who are exactly are these people? You are quick to call them "top five terrorists" yet no one seems to have any information about them at all.

These are members of the Taliban, right? Are they even terrorists?

According to Time....

And however nasty the Taliban may be, it?s not really a ?terrorist? enemy as we commonly understand the word. The group is not on the State Department?s official list of terrorist organizations and has has long been a battlefield enemy in the ground war for control of Afghanistan. It is not plotting to, say, hijack American airplanes?even if it does have sympathies with people who are. Ditto the Taliban leaders released over the weekend. They are members of a savage and deplorable organization. But unlike, say, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, they have no history of plotting attacks on the U.S. homeland.
(source)

What the fuck happened to our country? I was okay with Gitmo in the beginning, but now we are just detaining people without a trial. That's not the way Americans do things.

But you don't seem to care about anyone's rights.

I read that Congress was briefed on this five months ago? And kept in the loop since then? It seems this was something they've been working on for months, not something that started last week. They knew it was going to happen, but not exactly when. So it does in fact seem that Congress was notified. Well in advance.

Why did he use an executive order? That's easy. Because of people like you that will question every thing he does. This shuts him out.

And then we have your comment about Gitmo... Yes, he did, didn't he? And why isn't Gitmo shut down yet? That's right, because Congress refuses to. I'm sorry but Gitmo has served it's purpose. Now it's just holding people without a trial. We cannot hold these people without a trial until the end of time. It's un-American.

You bitch and you complain, yet everything seems to get better and better. Economy is up, and we are finally moving out of both Iraq and Afghanistan. You just keep bitching and complaining.

He gave up that right when he signed up to be a soldier, you know that. He specifically signed away his rights to a trial as an American, a military court decides matters pertaining.

All 5 handed over, are now allowed total freedom to move about the country of Qatar.

http://news.yahoo.com/qatar-allowing...130028784.html

Rochard must have forgot about the UCMJ, I never did

Also it seems he can't read, he states no one knows who these terrorist are right after I posted them, he's a fucking moron!

He lost his rights as a servicemen under the UCMJ MORON!

Read Rochard, I know it's hard, but I listed all of them and their crimes
And no, I don't give a rats ass about the rights of a terrorist, apparently you are very concerned about their rights, what does that say?

So bypassing the way our government works is ok, he's a fucking president, not the fucking king shit for brains!
Fine, shoot all those fuckers

Keep your rose colored glasses on, median wages are down, people have to pay more for health insurance and the cash cow of taxes just keeps growing. Now we have more terrorist in the world, ones that were working directly with Osama

Then we have the VA thing, you have a problem with vets too? Obama promised he would fix that in 2008 during his campaign, how many vets have to die to make you happy?

Atleast Obama stopped sending in drones, it was like he had a big button on his desk!

isn't the CIA still able to unilaterally carry out operations like this?

This!!!


END THREAD!


:2 cents:

I'd trade 5 pieces of garbage for one US soldier any day.

We need to release them so we can legally kill them with a drone.

:1orglaugh

I can't see all of your posts, you are on ignore.

You keep calling them "terrorists" yet they are Taliban, which is not really a terrorist group to begin with.

I haven't forgotten the UCMJ at all. But according to you this American soldier has no rights.

Again with the name calling. Classy.

How did he loose his rights under the UCMJ? In fact, he will most likely be charged under the UCMJ.

I have more college degrees than you have skippy. I have you on ignore; I don't see all of your posts.

I am concerned about everyone's rights. It's un-American for us to hold people for decades without a trial. At the same time, you don't seem to think this American serviceman has any rights. What does that say about you?

Sure, because he's the first US President to do that, right?

Why do you think median wages are down? Maybe it has something to do with the last Republican President destroying our economy? You accuse the other side of passing the buck to President Bush without accepting responsibility for what happened. Of course median wages are down - we went through a massive recession with a Republican President at the helm.

Why didn't Bush fix it before then? Why did the incoming President have to make a campaign promise to fix something that shouldn't have been broken in the first place?

What a gosh darn coincidence that talking heads from one political party were bringing up all of these talking points on this past Sunday's political TV shows, and no doubt on cable news networks and in articles.

Does America want to decide that SOME soldiers should be left behind? Lets have a debate on that because THAT'S a good use of resources.

Vendzilla doesn't it drive you crazy that someone from another country knows so much more about your politics than you do?

Good! You should be pissed! The republicans you keep voting for keep fucking you over again and again! From human rights to food to pollution to war to everything. Even worse, they lie to you every single day about it. Stop voting republican, Vendy. Make your vote count in 2016. Vote for Hilly' !

Wow; I never said MIGHT. You are the one that keeps putting words in my mouth. Is your reading comprehension really that poor or are you trying to build your post count?

I hope they still have to have authorization, but the way things are going, they probably don't

You have me on ignore, why do you keep answering me?

Only drives me crazy when someone from another country thinks they know more

Hey Cheese dick, I am going to vote for Hillary, don't you ever read my post, what a fucktard!

The democrats are lying a hell of a lot more than the republicans

2013 lie of the year, like your policy and you can keep it
like your doctor you can keep them

I said "might". You said (exactly):

"I was only saying that if we knew 100% he was a deserter I would not risk lives on getting him back; security perspective or not. That's what cruise missiles are for."

You are implying that he is a deserter and deserves a cruise missile without accepting the fact that he is US Citizen AND a US Serviceman and at the very least deserves a trial.

We do not know that he was a deserter. And even if he is we should being him home so he can clear his name or stand trial.

But you are 100% right. Every time a US Solider disappears in a combat zone we should completely ignore and pretend it never happened.

Mostly because I'm bored today and I expected to come with the same crap you always do.

This seems to be the case.

Baddog wants to use cruise missiles to kill an American solider, and Vendzilla seems to think the UCMJ no longer applies to this solider.

I guess you don't remember the UCMJ?

I know a lot of stupid people with degrees, what's your point?
From the guy that's cheering for the rights of terrorist, go fuck yourself

He's the first president that said he was going to do it in a state of the union address fucktard
Reagan got a bigger mess than Obama and he didn't whine about Carter

Are you so fucking retarded that you put if off as "ok" because it was a different presidents problem, why the fuck didn't this one fix it after he said he would?after 5 years, seriously Rochard, you need a refund on those degrees you say you have.

You sound like a whiny fucking child that told their parents, well billy's parents let him?

Didn't work on me with my kid, but rules your fucking world, don't like what I have to say, keep me on ignore, I can point out your faults all fucking day, it's too fucking easy!

This from the Daily Beast, a very liberal blog
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-of-night.html


It was June 30, 2009, and I was in the city of Sharana, the capitol of Paktika province in Afghanistan. As I stepped out of a decrepit office building into a perfect sunny day, a member of my team started talking into his radio. “Say that again,” he said. “There’s an American soldier missing?”



There was. His name was Private First Class Bowe Bergdahl, the only prisoner of war in the Afghan theater of operations. His release from Taliban custody on May 31 marks the end of a nearly five-year-old story for the soldiers of his unit, the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment. I served in the same battalion in Afghanistan and participated in the attempts to retrieve him throughout the summer of 2009. After we redeployed, every member of my brigade combat team received an order that we were not allowed to discuss what happened to Bergdahl for fear of endangering him. He is safe, and now it is time to speak the truth.

And that the truth is: Bergdahl was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.

On the night prior to his capture, Bergdahl pulled guard duty at OP Mest, a small outpost about two hours south of the provincial capitol. The base resembled a wagon circle of armored vehicles with some razor wire strung around them. A guard tower sat high up on a nearby hill, but the outpost itself was no fortress. Besides the tower, the only hard structure that I saw in July 2009 was a plywood shed filled with bottled water. Soldiers either slept in poncho tents or inside their vehicles.

The next morning, Bergdahl failed to show for the morning roll call. The soldiers in 2nd Platoon, Blackfoot Company discovered his rifle, helmet, body armor and web gear in a neat stack. He had, however, taken his compass. His fellow soldiers later mentioned his stated desire to walk from Afghanistan to India.

The Daily Beast’s Christopher Dickey later wrote that "[w]hether Bergdahl…just walked away from his base or was lagging behind on a patrol at the time of his capture remains an open and fiercely debated question.” Not to me and the members of my unit. Make no mistake: Bergdahl did not "lag behind on a patrol,” as was cited in news reports at the time. There was no patrol that night. Bergdahl was relieved from guard duty, and instead of going to sleep, he fled the outpost on foot. He deserted. I’ve talked to members of Bergdahl’s platoon—including the last Americans to see him before his capture. I’ve reviewed the relevant documents. That’s what happened.

This from someone that said we don't even know who these guys they released are?

Oh wait, you still think Palin said I can see Russia from my house, LOL

I love how I catch you on shit all the time, if that's the case, yes I do post the same things all the time, the TRUTH! You can't handle the truth! LOL


Reading what others have said about this piece of shit, I can't understand why Rochard would care about his rights, I would have shot him on sight.

I hate to think that your ability to comprehend English is that poor, but apparently it is so.
I find it ironic that you get mad at Vendzilla for name calling yet you feel comfortable in lying about me.