no. It's even more basic than that, **********.

They hate him because he's the opponent. It's as simple as that. Politics is a zero sum game.

And speaking of that, I'd imagine at least a few repubs calling their higher up military butt buddies and making sure that the military prosecutes this guy for desertion, further embarrassing the president/dems.

from prison to the pres podium and back to prison and on top of that, obama usurping the law to do it. :1orglaugh

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Racism is judging people by the group they are in, weather it be race, creed or color.

The term "creed" can also refer to a person's political or social belief

People that are saying all republicans are racist and indeed racist themselves.

Bunch of whiny fucks that blame everything on the other guy and don't own up to their own mistakes and play the race card. fucking low lifes!

That photo needs this caption:

But it hasn't always been like this. I understand that both parties strategize at a high level, but there was a sort of unspoken rule that they wouldn't use current events to make each other look bad (outside of debates and actual campaigning). They acted this way because they knew it could come back to bite them in the ass later on when they had the White House.

It seems to me like the Republicans are on the warpath and are attacking everything. The Republican party attacked Obamacare with vengeance and it was an utter failure - they vowed to get rid of it, they failed, and now Obamacare is a reality.

I wonder what is going to happen when the Republicans own the White House? Will the Deomcrats go on the war path?

this guy is going be raked over the coals eh?

IMO, he's been through enough, if it's true he deserted, he prolly didn't plan on whatever he's been through over the last several years, I say let him walk away.

Nevertheless, the white house decided to use him as a political football so he's going to get kicked around now.

It's Democrats, let me fix that for you.

Are you serious? The Democrats were foaming at the mouth during the years of Bush, the GOP was foaming at the mouth during the Clinton years. Have you no sense of history?

No one attacked Reagan because of his popularity, that's how Bush Sr got in there.

http://www.sacbee.com/2014/06/02/645...treatment.html

Now Veterans and Military alike are complaining about Bergdahl being trading for 5 terrorist

WASHINGTON -- For all the yellow ribbons strewn across his hometown in Idaho and the gratitude expressed by his parents in an emotional visit to the White House on Saturday, it’s looking increasingly unlikely that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl will receive a hero’s welcome when he returns to the United States after nearly five years in Taliban captivity.

From military forums across the country, a groundswell of anger is rising over the Obama administration’s silence on perhaps the most controversial question surrounding the deal that freed Bergdahl in exchange for five senior Taliban members: Was he a deserter?


Michael Waltz, who as an Army major commanded U.S. Special Forces in eastern Afghanistan at the time Bergdahl disappeared, said the sergeant deserted and shouldn’t have been accorded POW status.

“He just walked off after guard duty and wandered into the nearby village,” Waltz told McClatchy in an interview Monday. “This guy needs to be held accountable when the time is right, of course. Every American deserves to come home. I’m happy for his family. But he needs to be held accountable.”

Angry commentators took special aim at National Security Adviser Susan Rice’s televised remarks Sunday that Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction.” They also bristled at Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s surprise visit Sunday to Afghanistan, where he praised the operation that freed Bergdahl but never mentioned the desertion issue before an audience of U.S. service members who undoubtedly have seen the debate swirling around the case.

This is going to look like Bergdahl deserted and Obama is giving him a medal

someone was upset at being in the army? shocking.

if the taliban kidnapped this soldier, and tried to make it seem like a desertion.. seems like that would work very well

You are so being played. If it was clear he deserted, they wouldnt of promoted him twice during his capture. They have to do this so you will vote against your own interests again and again. And you dont like Obama fine but please stop with false equivalency bullshit.

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ADG

It's the military, since they didn't list him as a deserter, because that would have looked bad, he was going to be promoted regardless.

This shit bag deserter is going to get UCMJ justice unless he is pardoned.

That's a major that said he deserted.

Ok, you're right... not all republicans hate Obama, and I'm sure of the ones who do hate him are not necessarily because he's black.

HOWEVER...

Mitch McConnell, Republican from the southern state of Kentucky, famously said "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." Why did he say this? This announcement was made the night Obama won the election I believe. Why would he want him out even before he starts his term? Is it because he's... ?

And then of course there's things like this:

ADG, I know in battle, you can't bluntly say they died because of one thing or another. They died because it was war. But that's why the UCMJ puts such a high price on desertion, DEATH!

Hey Cheese Dick

So are you going to whine about the GOP or the party in charge for everything that's fucked up?

Reagan had a bigger mess, you didn't see him winning about the democrats did you?

So Republicans were pushing for the release of this guy by doing whatever it takes earlier this year. Now they're acting like it's the worst thing that's ever happened. Complete political bullshit. Who cares about those Taliban commanders being released back into the wild? We'll mostly be out of Afghanistan in a couple of years so let those monkeys play in their stupid sandbox.

you're wrong as usual

Republicans and Democrats raised serious concerns more than two years ago with the Obama administration about the possibility of swapping Taliban prisoners for captured Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl but said promised consultation never materialized.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/politi...-consultation/

So now the story that "eight people died looking for him" is falling apart. Two of them died on base during an attack, and the other six didn't die the day after while looking for him but instead months later.

Interesting.

I listened to McCain on CNN yesterday while I was driving down to SoCal. What McCain said prior was "I was okay with the prisoner release pending details" but now that he knows the details they were "unacceptable".

For some reason McCain seems to think it's acceptable for us to leave our soldiers behind.

he wants everyone to experience the same pow lifestyle he did.

He wasn't a soldier anymore, he is a deserter

I guess this is something to talk about now that Obamacare won

That was 2 years ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5439644.html

Answer this question honestly. Would there be all of this Republican outrage is George Bush made this deal?

You of course are leaving out the fact, he didn't know what prisoners were being exchanged for Bergdahl

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, said Tuesday that the prisoner swap executed by the Obama administration to bring Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl home from captivity in Afghanistan was a "mistake."

"This decision to bring Sgt. Bergdahl home -- and we applaud that he is home -- is ill-founded. It is a mistake," McCain said during a Senate Republicans press conference on Veterans Affairs reform. "And it is putting the lives of American servicemen and women at risk and that, to me, is unacceptable to the American people."

McCain objected to trading five Taliban detainees from the Guantanamo Bay facility for Bergdahl, calling them the "hardest and toughest of all" and "wanted war criminals."

"These people have dedicated their lives to destroying us," he later added.

That's a shift from where McCain stood in an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper that aired in February, soon after the U.S. military obtained a proof-of-life video of Bergdahl. McCain told Cooper that originally, Bergdahl's captors had demanded the transfer of five detainees just as a "confidence-building measure." Once a prisoner swap was reportedly in the cards, however, the senator said he'd be "inclined to support such a thing."

"I would support -- obviously I'd have to know the details -- but I would support ways of bringing him home," he said at the time. "And if exchange was one of them, I think that would be something I think we should seriously consider."

McCain flip flops like a fish on a dock. He has a history of changing positions constantly.

I don't really give a fuck about what Bush would have done, that is speculative at best.

You said that the Republicans pushed for this, no they pushed to get him released, not knowing about Bergdahl being a deserter because of the NDA the soldiers signed and knowing the list of terrorist that were going to be traded for this deserter.......

He didn't know about Bergdahl being a deserter and the list of 5 terrorist that were going to be traded for

... and singing like a canary :2 cents:

I knew you wouldn't answer.

Didn't Ronald Reagan exchange 1500 missles for hostages?

Why the outrage over this?

Only to narrow minded people such as yourself. To anyone with any common sense at all, it will look like Obama did what was needed to bring an American soldier home.

He can be judged later and it's very certain the hateful right wingers will make sure of that. However regardless of his accused actions he was still a American solder and he still is until he is convicted of a crime and court marshaled.

It's a shame to see people whom served in the armed forces so willing to throw away a solder whom has yet been given the chance to defend himself. Your hate for Obama has clearly filled you with so much anger you can't think sensibly.

Obama's actions of getting this solder back, serves to show other solders that the US govt will not leave them behind and will get them back no matter how long it takes.. You are too simple minded to figure that out.

That was Iran Contra, they got caught, it was more for money for the Contra's than releasing prisoners.

Why does it matter if it was done in the past? Does that make it ok?

I did answer, you're too stupid to see that.

Why does it matter if something was done in the past, it doesn't make it right?

Bush did release prisoners from GITMO, about 28% of all released returned to terrorism, so if we are to learn from the past, this was a BAD decision. Or 168 terrorist returned to committing terrorist acts.

Amazing, people are cheering for a deserter and happy for the 5 terrorist being returned to do harm.
Even Pelosi wanted them released, but not in her district!

Yes because you were the one earlier in this thread that said America does not negotiate with terrorists. So it's ok for Reagan but not Obama?

actually that was teason that started with saint ron because congress cut off the money for the contra's and iran was under an embargo. People fell on their sword for him but it was what he wanted.

http://news.yahoo.com/mcchrystal-on-...193638795.html

Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal on Wednesday urged Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?s critics not to ?judge? him until all the facts are in and sharply defended the extensive and risky search efforts that claimed the lives of some of his fellow soldiers.

?We did a huge number of operations to try to stop the Taliban from being able to move him across the border into Pakistan,? McChrystal told Yahoo News in an exclusive interview. ?And we made a great effort and put a lot of people at risk in doing that, but that?s what you should do. That?s what soldiers do for each other.?

Bergdahl?s release as part of a prisoner swap involving five Taliban commanders has drawn angry scrutiny in Congress. It has also prompted some of his former comrades in arms to paint him as a deserter unworthy of the frantic search efforts on his behalf.

You guys want me to admit Reagan fucked up, yes he did and I don't condone it.

That doesn't make what Obama did right, it doesn't matter who did it before, it's not right?

Are you guys stating for the books, it's ok, because past presidents have done it?

Hey at least someone has some common sense props to him.

You didn't answer.

Hypothetically, if Bush was still president -- or if Mitt Romney was president, would there be Republican outrage over this deal? Just be straight for a minute, without all the evasive, angry double talk. Your a very angry guy. I'm guessing you're an old dude.

bergdahl will be dressing like a girl within 2 weeks, the military is about to really fry his brain.


The fucked up shit that made him sneak off will look like child's play now.

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I don't give a shit what political party they are, that's the fucking answer!!

I'm guessing your an idiot?

An no, I'm not an angry person, I'm just having a discussion with an idiot!

Comparing what Reagan did and what Obama did is like comparing swearing in public to murder.

First, I can care less what Reagan did. He wanted "X" and made it happen. He had bones.

With Obama and this... You don't have a case. Seems Congress knew this was in the works for months, so you can argue that Congress was in fact notified. They didn't know the date or who or where, but they knew it was going to happen. McCain is on record supporting this.

But of course you are going to make a mountain out of a molehill here. This is exactly why he used executive order here - to shut the haters up.

Let's face it, the military isn't for everyone. However, with this guy, he was going to have a crappy life no matter what.

So it seems as if the claim 8 solders died looking for him is being debunked and Congress did know that the swap was going to happen.

So now the only leg to stand on is he was a deserter.. Yet he has not been tried or convicted of anything. Just tried and convicted by the right wing feeding frenzy and the media..

Wonder if this guy is found to be innocent if our little right wingers here will say they were wrong.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Can you explain the Whitehouse using him as a political football here and what the ROI has been on this deal for the WH? Do you think they even considered all this blowback and decided it was acceptable or do you think they never even considered that there was some level of chatter that he was a deserter?

Seems mighty risky to me and I don't see what the ROI has been for the WH.

Its amazing when people become judge and jury when all the facts are not in yet. But i can tell you one thing these 5 "terrorist" were going home at the end of the year anyways. Now if the military was covering this up and to come to find out this guy was a deserter will the same people who serve the military now and past go and create a shit storm about the military covering for a deserter and sending troops in harms way?

On a side note republican Saxby Chandler just came out of the debriefing and he said there is no legal statue that Obama had to notify congress within 30 days. Obama did break protocol but no legal statue. He did say he was unsure if it was illegal for Obama to sign a executive order which authorized the trade which i found was odd. I know the answer to that but he did not lol. So with that said there will be no legal action against Obama.


I did get a giggle on watching his quick interview on fox news. When asked was he satisfied with what he heard from the admin in the debriefing he said no. Well of course wtf is he gonna say if he was satisfied yes? Another giggle i got was he said the debriefing was still going on but he sure in the hell rushed downstairs to get his face on camera crying foul. These politicians make me :throwup