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AmeliaG 06-08-2014 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions (Post 20115786)
Actually, it's quite simple. The problem lies in our culture as Americans. As far as we've advanced with equal rights and other things, we've become extremely intolerant. People have no common courtesy for others, they have no respect for others. Most have a sense that they are the only person who matters, they want what they want, and fuck anyone else.

Because of that, people lash out at others. Those who have access to guns use them. I'm not just referring to the rash of mass shootings. There was a local story here in PA from a few months ago. Apparently, some guy driving on Interstate 81 did something that pissed another driving off. Rather than simply flipping him the bird and yelling obscenities at him (or better yet, "letting it go," the offended driver proceeded to play road games with the first driver. While the first driver called 911, the second driver pulled out a gun and shot the first driver, as they were driving at speeds of 65mph. The first driver was killed, leaving behind a wife and young child. All over a driving foul. Simply because the second driver lashed out and didn't think about anyone but how pissed off he was. Fuck that this guy could have a family, fuck that this guy had every right to live. But I'm sure the shooter feels better now that the first guy won't switch lanes without signaling, or drive in the passing lane instead of moving over.

Things like this are becoming more and more common place. And even without guys, people who feel they get slighted are so self-centered, they'll beat someone to death over the dumbest shit.

I read an article the other day that a guy shot a cab driver because he thought the cabbie to a longer route to charge the passenger more money.

Our culture needs to change. And I don't blame this on violent movies, video games, music, etc. I'm a product of all of that. But what I had, that many in this country are lacking, is a proper upbringing. My parents instilled in me at an early age the difference between right and wrong, fantasy and reality. I was also taught respect. Respect for other people is something that is seriously lacking in today's America. When I went out walking somewhere as a kid, I didn't cut through my neighbor's yard as a shortcut without permission from the neighbor. I never leaned on a stranger's car when chatting with someone in a parking lot (or my dad's car for that matter).

All of this is what is lacking in our culture. We've become a society of "me first, it's mine, I don't care about anyone other than myself" people. Nobody respects anyone anymore. It's quite sad.

And because of this mentality in our society (not even touching on the mental health issues), people like me are afraid to speak up when someone does something disrespectful (like the old bitch who cut in line in front of me at A.C. Moore the other day when I was trying to pick up something for my son's last school project), because who knows when some fucking asshole who can't think or behave rationally will just pull out a gun and start shooting, or a knife and start stabbing. Sadly for the gun rights activists, it's probably more likely to be a gun.

So the ultimate solution to the problem is to change our culture as Americans. But under the current conditions, the prospect of increased gun laws has more and more appeal.

Every time I see or hear about gun violence (or knife violence), I can't help but think of what Craig's dad said to him toward the end of "Friday" when he saw Craig had a gun.

(holding up fists) "Back in my day, this was all you needed for protection. You win some, you lose some, but you live to fight another day."


Having a horrible economy for so many years has pushed a lot of people to the end of their rope.

The solution for that level of tension is to fix the roadmap to opportunity in America.

Guns have nothing to do with people being in a constant state of nearly breaking. Symptom, not cause.

dyna mo 06-08-2014 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116610)
By the way...when I was a kid, I grew up in a small town in Florida.
My dad had his rifles on the gun rack in his pickup truck. So did my grandfather and all of my uncles.

Guns were everywhere. They were in our house, they were in the vehicles, etc.
None were ever locked up. And they were ALWAYS loaded.
no open container laws back then either, we used to drive around with the gun rack full and plenty of schlitz to go around. :1orglaugh

AmeliaG 06-08-2014 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20116338)
We lock up more of our citizens percent wise then any "civilized" country. We have harsher sentences etc. The USA is not at all lenient on criminals.

You can sort this and we are second highest - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rceration_rate

Isn't the US the highest? What country on that list has a higher level of incarceration? Seychelles is the same and doesn't count, as it is teeny.

Edit: This seems to indicate a lower number

AmeliaG 06-08-2014 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
So you're saying that drunk driving laws don't work. And you're right.

Drunk driving laws are just ways for the city to make money off of people. That's why they have lowered the blood/alcohol level so far that you can use Listerine mouthwash and blow "drunk".

So they pull over thousands of people and ruin their lives and bankrupt them.

Meanwhile, the REAL drunk drivers continue to drive completely wasted and kill people. Half the time it seems they have already lost their licenses and are driving with no license, no tags, etc.

Guess what? Criminals don't obey the law. They don't care about the law. They never have and never will.
That's why what you said happens all the time. And the "law" doesn't stop it one bit.

All it does is punish "normal" people.

Just like gun laws.

Criminals don't give a fuck about any law. Only citizens who AREN'T criminals will be affected by any law.

It's kind of a conundrum.

Think of the 2257 law.

It was supposed to be a way to stop underage porn from being shot.

But guess what? Legitimate people never shot that shit anyway (not on purpose...Traci Lords used fake ID and would still get away with it today).
And perverts shooting underage shit? They STILL shoot it.

But how can that be? There is a LAW after all.

Yeah, and the only peope suffering from that "law" are the legitimate people. We have to keep all these fucking records and worry about having our doors kicked in by the govt.

The bad guys shooting that underage shit? They don't keep ANY records and stay under the radar.

That, unfortunately is how it works. Criminals break the law and don't care about it. While the good guys are burdened by the law.

The problem with our society is all of these "preemptive" laws. Trying to stop crimes before they happen.

It leads to a fucked up situation all the way around.

Here's an old-fashioned idea: Instead of trying to preemptively enforce "laws"...how about waiting until somebody actually DOES something and then arrest them and punish them for it. (that's what always happens in the end anyway)

I know, I know....that just sounds crazy. :disgust

You crazy lunatic person. You shouldn't be allowed to own a firearm because of, uhm, mental stuff. :winkwink:

I remember being told by teachers that we knew Russia was the Evil Empire because they took political dissidents and diagnosed them as crazy and took away their rights. Now RT is schooling people on freedom. It's embarrassing.

Robbie 06-08-2014 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20116646)
no open container laws back then either, we used to drive around with the gun rack full and plenty of schlitz to go around. :1orglaugh
When I was in St. Martin in 1998 partying...I rented a mini-moke (a tiny jeep with an old MG engine in it) to drive around in.

We drove with our drinks in our hand and waved to the traffic cops (they waved back).

As for open container laws in the U.S....by the time I was in high school, they had already initiated that law.

I thought then, and I think now...it's another bullshit law.

Down in Florida they had "Bottle Clubs" which were basically nightclubs without a liquor license.
You paid a big cover charge at the door, which was your "membership fee" to the private club for the night. Then you took your bottle of booze to the bar and they labeled it as yours.
Then you paid a couple of bucks for a set up each time you got a drink.

My band used to play at those kinds of places all the time around 1980/1981.

So people would go to the liquor store and buy a giant bottle of Jack Daniels, drink a few drinks out of it at the "Bottle Club". Then they would get their bottle of Jack back from the bar to go home.

Then the cops would pull them over and arrest them for an "open container" because the seal on the bottle was broken.

It was a total bullshit thing to do. And not in the "spirit" of the law at all.

Same thing would happen if you had a nice bottle of wine and only drank a glass of it and wanted to take the bottle home with you.

These laws turn ordinary citizens into "criminals" with all of this "preemptive" nonsense.

venus 06-08-2014 02:03 PM
what speech do you not have any longer exactly?

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20115579)
we don't have free speech in America any longer :(

slapass 06-08-2014 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20116438)
probably not related to a large population of 'mildly to legally retarded people' being granted almost unlimited funds and being told they have the right to anything other people must work hard for..... or 'mildly to legally retarded people' being told they aren't responsible for their actions because whitey fucked them over... ?

just sayin' you know? or are you under true impression that most people incarcerated are master world class criminals?
Ok then. No need to look at facts lets just throw out weird shit. Whitey need his gun cuz the unwashed masses of non-whites are coming for him.

:thumbsup

slapass 06-08-2014 02:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116610)

By the way...when I was a kid, I grew up in a small town in Florida.
My dad had his rifles on the gun rack in his pickup truck. So did my grandfather and all of my uncles.

Guns were everywhere. They were in our house, they were in the vehicles, etc.
None were ever locked up. And they were ALWAYS loaded.

It was the same at all my friend's homes as well.

And even though I didn't have a pickup truck or a gun that I carried around...when I was in high school in the late 1970's, there were lots of guys who did have pickup trucks. And they had their rifles in the gun rack in the back window of their trucks parked right on the school property.

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Murder rate was much higher in the 70's in Florida then it is today. I find this amazing as I too thought we grew up in peaceful times. The gun rack maybe wasn't such a good idea.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/flcrime.htm

Assults and type of fights have been redefined over the years so they are a little harder to compare. A fist fight in the 70's even with injuries was less likely to be reported.

slapass 06-08-2014 02:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20116648)
Isn't the US the highest? What country on that list has a higher level of incarceration? Seychelles is the same and doesn't count, as it is teeny.

Edit: This seems to indicate a lower number
I just noticed we were second. So I would agree that we are tied for first with a country most people have never heard of.

slapass 06-08-2014 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
So you're saying that drunk driving laws don't work. And you're right.

Drunk driving laws are just ways for the city to make money off of people. That's why they have lowered the blood/alcohol level so far that you can use Listerine mouthwash and blow "drunk".

So they pull over thousands of people and ruin their lives and bankrupt them.

Meanwhile, the REAL drunk drivers continue to drive completely wasted and kill people. Half the time it seems they have already lost their licenses and are driving with no license, no tags, etc.

Guess what? Criminals don't obey the law. They don't care about the law. They never have and never will.
That's why what you said happens all the time. And the "law" doesn't stop it one bit.

All it does is punish "normal" people.

Just like gun laws.

Criminals don't give a fuck about any law. Only citizens who AREN'T criminals will be affected by any law.

It's kind of a conundrum.

Think of the 2257 law.

It was supposed to be a way to stop underage porn from being shot.

But guess what? Legitimate people never shot that shit anyway (not on purpose...Traci Lords used fake ID and would still get away with it today).
And perverts shooting underage shit? They STILL shoot it.

But how can that be? There is a LAW after all.

Yeah, and the only peope suffering from that "law" are the legitimate people. We have to keep all these fucking records and worry about having our doors kicked in by the govt.

The bad guys shooting that underage shit? They don't keep ANY records and stay under the radar.

That, unfortunately is how it works. Criminals break the law and don't care about it. While the good guys are burdened by the law.

The problem with our society is all of these "preemptive" laws. Trying to stop crimes before they happen.

It leads to a fucked up situation all the way around.

Here's an old-fashioned idea: Instead of trying to preemptively enforce "laws"...how about waiting until somebody actually DOES something and then arrest them and punish them for it. (that's what always happens in the end anyway)

I know, I know....that just sounds crazy. :disgust
You know how to work Google right?

http://www.alcoholalert.com/drunk-dr...s-florida.html

Drunk driving deaths in Florida are way down as a percoent of population. Talk to any bar owner and they will tell you the heydays of the liquor trade were back when people could legally drink and drive. People drink and drive less. I do not think they are the criminal element as I have done my fair share of this. It is less now as the risk of getting caught is higher as is the penalty.

Robbie 06-08-2014 02:58 PM
I know how to work Google.

I also know that dui laws may or may not have anything to do with drunk driving deaths.

I'm sure law enforcement will pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for pulling you over and ruining your life after you had 3 cocktails at dinner and are on the way home.

Cars also got safer during that same time span and more people wear seat belts. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with anything. :)

Also from that link:
"It is important to note that the Florida drunk driving statistics, as shown above, include data from individuals who were in an alcohol-related crash, but not driving a motor vehicle at the time. The U.S. Department of Transportation defines alcohol-related deaths as "fatalities that occur in crashes where at least one driver or non-occupant (pedestrian or pedalcyclist) involved in the crash has a positive Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) value."

As for the murder rate being higher in the 1970's in Florida?
Average per year for that decade was 908 murders a year. Not "gun deaths", but murders.
Average for 2010 to current time: 993 murders a year.

So no, that is incorrect.

Also keep in mind that the early part of the 1970's was coming off of a lot of civil unrest in our country and the ending of the Vietnam war. There was a lot of overall violence in bigger cities and riots.

But in the small "normal" towns where people had guns? Not so much. The town I was in: Bartow, Fla. My mom was a deputy sheriff from 1972 to 1978.
Gun murders? Very, very rare at that time.

So thinking that gun racks in the back of pickups was in retrospect not very smart...I disagree.

These days however, I would definitely NOT do that in a bigger city. Not only are the cops trigger happy to begin with...but somebody would just break into your vehicle and steal your gun.

That's how those pesky criminals operate. They just don't "obey" the "law". lol

kane 06-08-2014 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116729)
I know how to work Google.

I also know that dui laws may or may not have anything to do with drunk driving deaths.

I'm sure law enforcement will pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for pulling you over and ruining your life after you had 3 cocktails at dinner and are on the way home.

Cars also got safer during that same time span and more people wear seat belts. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with anything. :)

Also from that link:
"It is important to note that the Florida drunk driving statistics, as shown above, include data from individuals who were in an alcohol-related crash, but not driving a motor vehicle at the time. The U.S. Department of Transportation defines alcohol-related deaths as "fatalities that occur in crashes where at least one driver or non-occupant (pedestrian or pedalcyclist) involved in the crash has a positive Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) value."

As for the murder rate being higher in the 1970's in Florida?
Average per year for that decade was 908 murders a year. Not "gun deaths", but murders.
Average for 2010 to current time: 993 murders a year.

So no, that is incorrect.

Also keep in mind that the early part of the 1970's was coming off of a lot of civil unrest in our country and the ending of the Vietnam war. There was a lot of overall violence in bigger cities and riots.

But in the small "normal" towns where people had guns? Not so much. The town I was in: Bartow, Fla. My mom was a deputy sheriff from 1972 to 1978.
Gun murders? Very, very rare at that time.

So thinking that gun racks in the back of pickups was in retrospect not very smart...I disagree.

These days however, I would definitely NOT do that in a bigger city. Not only are the cops trigger happy to begin with...but somebody would just break into your vehicle and steal your gun.

That's how those pesky criminals operate. They just don't "obey" the "law". lol
When I was growing up in a small town in the 80's during hunting season students would have rifles in the gun racks in their trucks so they could go hunt after school. If that happened today they would lock the school down and call in a swat team.

arock10 06-08-2014 03:55 PM
Clearly we just need to decriminalize gun violence, since obviously it impedes on our human rights and doesn't accomplish anything. It will be immensely successful immediately sending violent crimes committed with guns to 0

slapass 06-08-2014 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116729)
I know how to work Google.

I also know that dui laws may or may not have anything to do with drunk driving deaths.

I'm sure law enforcement will pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves for pulling you over and ruining your life after you had 3 cocktails at dinner and are on the way home.

Cars also got safer during that same time span and more people wear seat belts. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with anything. :)

Also from that link:
"It is important to note that the Florida drunk driving statistics, as shown above, include data from individuals who were in an alcohol-related crash, but not driving a motor vehicle at the time. The U.S. Department of Transportation defines alcohol-related deaths as "fatalities that occur in crashes where at least one driver or non-occupant (pedestrian or pedalcyclist) involved in the crash has a positive Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) value."

As for the murder rate being higher in the 1970's in Florida?
Average per year for that decade was 908 murders a year. Not "gun deaths", but murders.
Average for 2010 to current time: 993 murders a year.

So no, that is incorrect.

Also keep in mind that the early part of the 1970's was coming off of a lot of civil unrest in our country and the ending of the Vietnam war. There was a lot of overall violence in bigger cities and riots.

But in the small "normal" towns where people had guns? Not so much. The town I was in: Bartow, Fla. My mom was a deputy sheriff from 1972 to 1978.
Gun murders? Very, very rare at that time.

So thinking that gun racks in the back of pickups was in retrospect not very smart...I disagree.

These days however, I would definitely NOT do that in a bigger city. Not only are the cops trigger happy to begin with...but somebody would just break into your vehicle and steal your gun.

That's how those pesky criminals operate. They just don't "obey" the "law". lol
Florida has more then twice the people now. So the murder rate is less then half what it was.

Edit: drinking and driving is down. Check with bar and restaurant owners. Alcohol consumption is down in the USA.

Jel 06-08-2014 05:58 PM
As a UK resident, I wouldn't dream of needing to own a gun (these days, sice I've quietened down).

If I were a USA resident I wouldn't even contemplate not owning one.

the USA vs USA guys on guns is interesting to read, and I see tons of valid points on each side (aside from the hilarious 'we should ban knives, cars, etc too - sheesh, the difference is really not obvious??), but for those of us in countries where this whole chicken & egg situation where guns are so easily accessible by criminals, so you need to be sensible and have protection, yet if it weren't for guns being so accessible in the 1st place, tons of criminals wouldn't have them, has never existed - you can't use the situation around guns in your country to 'prove' anything about guns in the US.

2am so not the most coherent post I've ever made lol, but yeah, decipher it and you'll all see I'm spot on.

Jel 06-08-2014 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20116367)
50/50 chance of getting off on a legal technicality
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Really? 50%? Got a source where I can see that 50% of shooters get off on technicalities?

2MuchMark 06-08-2014 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
So you're saying that drunk driving laws don't work. And you're right.

Drunk driving laws are just ways for the city to make money off of people. That's why they have lowered the blood/alcohol level so far that you can use Listerine mouthwash and blow "drunk".
Not true.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...ents-a-001.jpg

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)

So they pull over thousands of people and ruin their lives and bankrupt them.
No. They take drunk drivers off of the street and save you and your loved ones from being hurt or killed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
Meanwhile, the REAL drunk drivers continue to drive completely wasted and kill people. Half the time it seems they have already lost their licenses and are driving with no license, no tags, etc.
Yes, the system is broken, but the stats don't lie.

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
Guess what? Criminals don't obey the law. They don't care about the law. They never have and never will.
That's why what you said happens all the time. And the "law" doesn't stop it one bit.
The law puts criminals behind bars.

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
All it does is punish "normal" people.
What is a "normal" person? Someone who gets behind the wheel after drinking too much, breaking the law, and potentially causing a car accident which can result in death?

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
Just like gun laws.
No, not just like gun laws. Cars are made for transportation. Alcohol is made to be a recreational drug to be consumed responsibly. Guns are made for 1 reason only, to kill. Gun laws should be put in place to stop criminals, drug users, alcoholics etc from being able to own or carry a gun.

Furthermore, Too many idiots are now way out of control thanks to constant and never ending fear mongering making them think that they are going to lose the rights to carry their guns. "Use it or lose it" is their latest battle cry. What they don't seem to understand is that the constitution protects their rights to carry a gun. Those fucking hillbillies at those restaurants in the southern US don't understand a fucking thing. All they want to do is play cowboys with their 'kin, regardless of how many people they scare".

I don't know if you are a gun owner or not, but if you are, YOU should be the one upset about this, not me.

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
Criminals don't give a fuck about any law. Only citizens who AREN'T criminals will be affected by any law.
So then by your logic, all laws should be abolished?


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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
It's kind of a conundrum.
No, you are a conundrum.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
Think of the 2257 law.

It was supposed to be a way to stop underage porn from being shot.

But guess what? Legitimate people never shot that shit anyway (not on purpose...Traci Lords used fake ID and would still get away with it today).
And perverts shooting underage shit? They STILL shoot it.

But how can that be? There is a LAW after all.
Anyone who knows anything about this knows that the real intent of the law was to try to make it much much harder for porn companies to stay in business. "Legit" porn companies never made CP in the past and still wouldn't today, regardless of 2257. Your comparison of gun laws to 2257 is weak.

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
Yeah, and the only peope suffering from that "law" are the legitimate people. We have to keep all these fucking records and worry about having our doors kicked in by the govt.
So, now you are comparing your suffering to the parents of some poor kid who has his brains shot out at School? Maybe you're comparing your suffering to some poor guy who lost his wife to a gun shot? Maybe the extra record keeping you have to do is makes you suffer more than Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the head?

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
The bad guys shooting that underage shit? They don't keep ANY records and stay under the radar.
I'm pretty sure that someone over at http://www.asacp.org will prove you dead wrong on that.

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
That, unfortunately is how it works. Criminals break the law and don't care about it. While the good guys are burdened by the law.
No dude that is not at all how it works. You have just about everything ass-backwards.


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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
The problem with our society is all of these "preemptive" laws. Trying to stop crimes before they happen.
They do not stop crimes before they happen. They impose (hopefully) harsh penalties on people that commit those crimes. Do you really think the world would be a better place without laws?

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
It leads to a fucked up situation all the way around.
No, it doesn't. The laws help you sleep at night. The laws protect you and your family who are I'm sure, all good law abiding citizens. The laws make sure you have clear air to breath and pure water to drink. The laws also let you say anything you're allowed to say, and let you buy a gun if you want to, and let you watch or make your own kind of porn. Everything you have said in this post has been dead wrong from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
Here's an old-fashioned idea: Instead of trying to preemptively enforce "laws"...how about waiting until somebody actually DOES something and then arrest them and punish them for it. (that's what always happens in the end anyway)
So then how can they be arrested for a crime that is not a crime yet?

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116620)
I know, I know....that just sounds crazy. :disgust
I'll agree with you on that one... !

Peace.

Robbie 06-08-2014 07:13 PM
Thanks for insulting me Mark.

Now let me school you (it's so easy):
On the scum who shoot underage...you are insinuating that they DO keep records? 2257 records? No wonder you sell software...you are NOT in the porn biz and don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

There, got that easy one out of the way.

As for your "So then how can they be arrested for a crime that is not a crime yet?"
How slow are you man? Drink some coffee or something to stimulate your brain.

What I said was to stop trying to create new crimes with preemptiveness. I happen to think it's been a "slippery slope" of allowing the govt. and cops to do that.

As for the rest of your post...which I don't understand your constant need to do...
I look at this broken system. I see that the things that have been done have NOT made things better. What they have done in the case of DUI laws is made insurance companies & local govt.'s a nice source of revenue while it completely destroys the lives of the person arrested.

How would you feel if you went to dinner, had some wine, drove home...and blew that ridiculously low .08 and got arrested. You lose your license. You spend thousands of dollars on lawyers. Your insurance rates go through the roof (over the already insanely high prices we pay in the U.S.)

Do cops pulling people over actually saved lives? Who the fuck knows? Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't.

Saying that stats "prove" it, is bullshit.
The stats only prove that alcohol related deaths have went down.
Saying that it is all attributable to cops pulling over soccer moms blowing a .08 is just not factual.

There are tons of factors at play. Better roads, better cars, seat belts, hell a couple of decades ago cars didn't all have airbags.

In 1980 there were 51,091 traffic deaths in the U.S. (of all kinds)
In 2012 there were only 34,080

And that's even with a big population jump over 32 years.

So with those kinds of numbers...of COURSE alcohol related deaths would be down as well.

But you go ahead and believe what you want. God knows you never, ever consider any alternatives besides what you preconceive on any given subject.

2MuchMark 06-08-2014 08:19 PM
Loil Robbie, if you're going to pick on what I posted, at least read it first.

Goodnight.

Robbie 06-08-2014 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20116904)
Loil Robbie, if you're going to pick on what I posted, at least read it first.

Goodnight.
I did read it. As usual you are incorrect.

Goodnight to you too. Maybe some sleep will help clear your mind of the clutter.

Seth Manson 06-08-2014 08:29 PM
100 anti-gun Canadians

2MuchMark 06-08-2014 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Seth Manson (Post 20116919)
100 anti-gun Canadians
I'm not anti-gun. I'm anti-gun NUT.

DBS.US 06-08-2014 10:31 PM
I'm Pro-Choice:thumbsup

http://www.listofimages.com/wp-conte...-gun-woman.jpg

slapass 06-09-2014 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20116879)

So you are actually claiming that DUI laws don't cause people to drink and drive less? That laws in general are not a deterrent? Yep, pretty hard for me to get behind you on this one.

I just talked a to a restaurant owner in England. I suggested the bar pays the bills. He said it used to but England went hard on DUI's and now it is not as good. I saw the same in the states.

We had some counties were you could smoke in bars and some you couldn't. Alcohol related accidents went up as people had to drive further to drink and smoke. Drunk people don't make good drivers and now people drink less. So yeah, I am pretty convinced we have less fatalities due to that.

Grapesoda 06-09-2014 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20116605)
how is it living in your own little delusional world?

How many times have all your guns saved yourself, friends, or family from a threat? It must suck being in constant fear for your life that you feel you need guns for protection
not that at all, you're really clueless... it's about having an asshat like you trying run my life :2 cents:

Grapesoda 06-09-2014 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20116646)
no open container laws back then either, we used to drive around with the gun rack full and plenty of schlitz to go around. :1orglaugh
still can in Texas I think

Grapesoda 06-09-2014 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by venus (Post 20116687)
what speech do you not have any longer exactly?
In 2008, Eich donated $1,000 to California's Proposition 8 campaign. Prop 8 was a ballot initiative that sought to make same-sex marriage illegal in the state.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/03/technology/mozilla-ceo/

---- had to step down from his job for disagreeing with homosexuals... that free speech to you? I could find hundreds of cases like if I chose too, you so worried you look it up....

here go to 3.33 and tell me this band wouldn't have lost their record contract had this been an American band



I myself have been attacked repeatedly and slandered for daring to disagree with the hardcore liberal view here at GFY

you have an interesting view of free speech

NaughtyVisions 06-09-2014 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20117287)
here go to 3.33 and tell me this band wouldn't have lost their record contract had this been an American band



I myself have been attacked repeatedly and slandered for daring to disagree with the hardcore liberal view here at GFY

you have an interesting view of free speech
Not sure what your point is with the music video. I went to 3:33 and saw nothing that I haven't seen or heard from many other US based bands that still have recording contracts with American labels. Was it the repeated use of the word "fuck," the obscene drawing on the blackboard? I don't get what would cause them to have lost their record contract if they were US based...

escorpio 06-09-2014 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20116977)
I'm not anti-gun. I'm anti-gun NUT.
What is the difference between a gun owner and a "gun nut" and who gets to decide?

arock10 06-09-2014 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20117287)
In 2008, Eich donated $1,000 to California's Proposition 8 campaign. Prop 8 was a ballot initiative that sought to make same-sex marriage illegal in the state.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/03/technology/mozilla-ceo/

---- had to step down from his job for disagreeing with homosexuals... that free speech to you? I could find hundreds of cases like if I chose too, you so worried you look it up....
you do know free speech is protection from the government... he was a CEO at a private corporation, nothing to do with the first amendment

Robbie 06-09-2014 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20117210)
So you are actually claiming that DUI laws don't cause people to drink and drive less? That laws in general are not a deterrent? Yep, pretty hard for me to get behind you on this one.
Yep.

I'm saying VERY, VERY specifically that no DUI law has EVER stopped a true alcoholic (the kind that actually drive DRUNK, not just blowing a nonsensical .08 pussy ass breathalyzer test) from getting behind the wheel.

NEVER.

I've known enough of them from playing bars for many years in my bands.

Most of them have already gotten DUI's and are not only driving WASTED, but they are doing so on suspended licenses.

What you are suggesting is that a guy gets wasted drunk, goes to get into his car...and then suddenly stops and sobers up and says to himself: "Oh, wait...it's against the law to do this"

Brother, that just isn't how real life works.

And also if you notice those Fla. stats...they include drunk PASSENGERS in the car where the driver was sober.
You know, auto accidents happen every second of every minute. Not all of them are drunk drivers.

Also in those stats, it included drunk PEDESTRIANS who were jaywalking or stumbling into traffic, or even riding a bicycle and getting hit.

Those stats are very misleading. And as I said, the amount of traffic deaths in the U.S. has fallen by 20,000 a year since 1980. Even though the population has gone up 70 million.

So of course the "alcohol related" ones have went down to.

Better safety features on cars, better roads, maybe even better drivers (though I debate that everytime I drive down the highway lol)

Robbie 06-09-2014 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20117369)
What is the difference between a gun owner and a "gun nut" and who gets to decide?
Oh come on now! The "difference" is plain to see!

If you are a cop or in the military, or a bodyguard for a politician...you are a "gun owner".

If you are a citizen with a gun? You are a "gun nut"

And Mark Prince gets to decide.

Don't you know anything? :1orglaugh

arock10 06-09-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20117630)
Yep.

I'm saying VERY, VERY specifically that no DUI law has EVER stopped a true alcoholic (the kind that actually drive DRUNK, not just blowing a nonsensical .08 pussy ass breathalyzer test) from getting behind the wheel.

NEVER.

I've known enough of them from playing bars for many years in my bands.

Most of them have already gotten DUI's and are not only driving WASTED, but they are doing so on suspended licenses.

What you are suggesting is that a guy gets wasted drunk, goes to get into his car...and then suddenly stops and sobers up and says to himself: "Oh, wait...it's against the law to do this"

Brother, that just isn't how real life works.

And also if you notice those Fla. stats...they include drunk PASSENGERS in the car where the driver was sober.
You know, auto accidents happen every second of every minute. Not all of them are drunk drivers.

Also in those stats, it included drunk PEDESTRIANS who were jaywalking or stumbling into traffic, or even riding a bicycle and getting hit.

Those stats are very misleading. And as I said, the amount of traffic deaths in the U.S. has fallen by 20,000 a year since 1980. Even though the population has gone up 70 million.

So of course the "alcohol related" ones have went down to.

Better safety features on cars, better roads, maybe even better drivers (though I debate that everytime I drive down the highway lol)
I know people who have ended up in prison from too many DUIs. Think that stopped them

Robbie 06-09-2014 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20117666)
I know people who have ended up in prison from too many DUIs. Think that stopped them
I don't know anyone who has had that happen to them. But I bet you're right.

And yeah, going to jail DOES stop them.

But the law never DETERRED them. Just like it doesn't deter anyone from doing anything.

If it did, then we would live in a perfect world.

A murderer doesn't stop murdering because of the "law". He just tried to not get caught.
:)

My point was that the DUI laws, by and large...are a huge source of revenue for cities and traffic lawyers. Hauling people up for blowing a .08 on their way home from dinner is bullshit. It didn't save any lives, it didn't stop any "alcohol related" accidents. It's become it's very own industry.

The real habitual drunk drivers? They are still going to drive no matter if they change the law to the death penalty for drinking one swig of beer.

That's all I'm saying.

Our govt. has slowly, over the years, just gotten too powerful and too overreaching for MY taste.

They have figured out that they can pretty much do anything they want. And we won't do a thing about it.

The hundreds of millions of dollars they rake in off of people and the lives they ruin through DUI laws VS the very small number of people actually driving drunk (statistically speaking) seems to me to be like using a nuclear bomb to swat a fly.

2MuchMark 06-09-2014 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20117369)
What is the difference between a gun owner and a "gun nut" and who gets to decide?
Woah... good point. I will have to get back to you on that one. This is actually a very good question.

2MuchMark 06-09-2014 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20117630)
Yep.

I'm saying VERY, VERY specifically that no DUI law has EVER stopped a true alcoholic (the kind that actually drive DRUNK, not just blowing a nonsensical .08 pussy ass breathalyzer test) from getting behind the wheel.

NEVER.
Just that statement alone is completely untrue, and I can prove it. I really enjoy pounding down a few too many beers, but there is no way in hell I would drive home. I *always* leave my car downtown and take a taxi home. Getting caught driving home means losing your license, paying a heavy fine, restrictions on travel, and all kinds of things.

If you drink and drive and think that the law is meaningless that does nothing to reduce drunk driving, you are wrong.

Grapesoda 06-09-2014 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NaughtyVisions (Post 20117326)
Not sure what your point is with the music video. I went to 3:33 and saw nothing that I haven't seen or heard from many other US based bands that still have recording contracts with American labels. Was it the repeated use of the word "fuck," the obscene drawing on the blackboard? I don't get what would cause them to have lost their record contract if they were US based...
wow you're not to observant are you... LISTEN to the rap on out from there

Grapesoda 06-09-2014 12:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arock10 (Post 20117445)
you do know free speech is protection from the government... he was a CEO at a private corporation, nothing to do with the first amendment
really, that's nice 'new speak' for sure...


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

so you can be fired from you job for disagreeing with the homosexual agenda but not for being a homosexual... thanks for clearing that up for me :thumbsup

kane 06-09-2014 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20117736)
really, that's nice 'new speak' for sure...


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

so you can be fired from you job for disagreeing with the homosexual agenda but not for being a homosexual... thanks for clearing that up for me :thumbsup
Free speech is not absolute speech. As has been pointed out on this board numerous times in the McDonald's/minimum wage threads having a job is a privilege not a right.

If you say something that people don't agree with they have they have the right to say so. If your action cause harm to a company (be it by saying something publicly, fucking up at your job, stealing from them etc) they have the right to fire you.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can say whatever you want and keep your job. It also doesn't mean you can say whatever you want with no consequences. It means that that the government will not persecute you for speaking your mind.

Robbie 06-09-2014 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20117717)
Just that statement alone is completely untrue, and I can prove it. I really enjoy pounding down a few too many beers, but there is no way in hell I would drive home. I *always* leave my car downtown and take a taxi home. Getting caught driving home means losing your license, paying a heavy fine, restrictions on travel, and all kinds of things.

If you drink and drive and think that the law is meaningless that does nothing to reduce drunk driving, you are wrong.
Mark...you are one of the vast majority of people.
And like most people you don't drink too much and drive.
And you also live in a city with taxi service readily available.

The majority of towns don't have taxis everywhere.

The last place I lived before Vegas was the upstate of South Carolina.
I never even SAW a taxi in that town.

But the point I'm making is: you could have 2 beers and a shot over the course of a couple of hours. And depending on your physiology and activity level (you'd probably be sitting on a bar stool unless you're a dancing machine kind of guy) you would STILL blow a DUI and not even have a buzz when you drove.

That doesn't "save lives". It just makes the city more money and ruins your life with that DUI.

It's the small percentage of hardcore drunks whom the law is aimed at. The ones who get behind the wheel every day in a state of black-out drunk. The ones who do indeed plow into crowds of people.

And I say again...those guys NEVER are deterred by the law. I've seen them with my own two eyes. And you read about them every day.

Those DUI laws are a money making machine for local govt's. Just like motorcycle cops hiding on local streets that have ridiculous 25 mph speed limits and handing out tickets to soccer moms doing 35 mph all day long.

They aren't "saving lives", they are collecting money for the city and the insurance companies.


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