Very well said, Thank You

These are the fundamentals of the group you march in goose step with and praise so much.

Dig deep into your soul and you will see I am right about your true feelings.

I never meet a white guy that talks like you that wasn't a racist and against the "gay agenda".

You need to talk to a constitutional lawyer.

Think we still need a militia? When was there a "well regulated militia" in this country? What if being well regulated means no modern firearms?

If I want to shoot my slave I should have the right to as a white landowner shouldn't I?

Glad to be of service :)

Where the fuck did that come from, shooting a slave? Are the voices in your head confusing you?

As far as needing a constitutional lawyer, nah, anyone with the capacity to read knows what happened in the supreme court 4 years ago. Here's what they said...

The Second Amendment provides Americans a fundamental right to bear arms that cannot be violated by state and local governments, the Supreme Court ruled Monday in a long-sought victory for gun rights advocates.

THIS STORY
Lawsuit filed against Chicago's new gun laws
Supreme Court expands gun rights
The 5 to 4 decision does not strike down any gun-control laws, nor does it elaborate on what kind of laws would offend the Constitution. One justice predicted that an "avalanche" of lawsuits would be filed across the country asking federal judges to define the boundaries of gun ownership and government regulation.

But Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who wrote the opinion for the court's dominant conservatives, said: "It is clear that the Framers . . . counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062802134.html

So you completely don't know a thing about the subject, But please keep talking!

Nobody thinks that 145 pound shoulder pad wearing cigarette smoking Obama is going to come and take the guns himself. As usual law enforcement personal with the IQ of room temperature will take the guns.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-b...story?id=95836
http://opnateye.com/wp-content/uploa...02/Krawetz.png

To answer the OP's question, I don't "believe" anything. I know, as we all do who live here and buy guns and ammo regularly, that our rights are under attack from many sides, and that we are the victims of a constant media smear campaign.

I also "suspect" that Obama's rhetoric is sponsored in no small part by weapons manufacturers themselves who have benefited GREATLY from the "gun panic" reporting record sales and even having to expand manufacturing to keep up with demand for ammo.

I doubt its a coincidence that just as some news sources were reporting demand for guns and ammo in the consumer market beginning to subside to pre-panic levels, Obama starts praising Australia's gun grabbing policies, starting another wave of people looking to arm up and stock up before it becomes illegal.

I don't know for sure, but, follow the money right?

I was raised by parents that had no hate in their heart for any race, My step father grew up in a Mexican neighborhood and my mother grew up around native american values. The first time I ever heard anyone use the N word was in boot camp when a black guy called me the n word.

Working for Video Secrets and AWE, my two favorite people to work with we both gay and I have built a couple gay sites. I miss working with Eddie at VS and Douglas at AWE, I built several gay model pages for his models. I met my first openly gay person while in the Navy, we are still friends over 30 years later. My oldest friend I have known longer than you have been alive.

So pretty much, you can blow your accusations out your hateful ass!

I hate having a bad leader in the white house, nothing more. Go Fuck Yourself!

I don't have a gun

Typically a country uses the standard murder rate versus some skewed stat like you just dug up. Our murder rate is much higher then other industrialized nations. Most murders are done with a gun.

And easy access to guns with no checks is not helped by pointing out that this easy access is allowing 17k people a year to kill themselves.

he have a pez dispenser on his shoe?? :helpme :Oh crap :1orglaugh fiddy gun nutts

I pray that George Bush is NOT the benchmark that we use to measure a President's actions. :(

Guess again!

Not sure where you are but it is hugely the norm in the USA. If you are in the USA then you are quoting NRA "mis stats".

According to this site about 67% of all murders are committed with guns. might not be an overwhelming majority, but it is five times more than the number two weapon which is a knife/blade

According to the FBI http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...e-data-table-8 approx 2/3 of murders in the US are committed with firearms.

In Australia, they appear to have stopped reporting gov stats once stabbing murders became most popular http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide/weapon.html

The odds of being murdered, if you are not personally a violent criminal, are infinitesimal in either country.

According to the FBI stats...firearms are used in most murders.

And just like it has always been...it's HANDGUNS (pistols) that are the huge majority.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offe...me/murder.html

Go down to table 2.9 to see those stats.

Always seems odd that the shouting is all about "assault rifles" when it's pistols that are the real killer.
But I guess the govt. isn't afraid of a bunch of citizens wielding handguns as it would be against a horde of them coming to the WhiteHouse with heavy weapons. lol

If ANY "gun control" were needed in the U.S.A. it's control over cheap and easily concealed handguns.

Remember the old Lynyrd Skynyrd song from the 1970's "Saturday Night Special"?

It's about the .38 handgun. "It ain't good for nothing, but put a man six feet in a hole"

But I guess that the anti-gun movement will just keep screaming about "assault rifles" no matter what the facts are. :(

Sorry, I was confused by the assault rifle stat. I know fists and knives kill more people than assault rifles, obviously handguns are still a big one. I got a little dyslexic there.

For sure. It seems like about the only people killed with assault rifles are victims during mass shootings. Almost all other murders and violent crimes involving guns are committed with handguns.

That brave cop should get an award. Just think what that 40 year old handcuffed woman wearing business attire would have done had that cop who outweighs her by 100 pounds had he not kicked her in the head while she was sitting on the curb. Did I mention she is handcuffed? She must have really deserved it or that cop would hot have been forced to defend his life.

If you're going to kill yourself and don't have a gun, you will probably hurt someone else in the process, like racing down the freeway at 150 mph or jumping off a building and landing on someone!

I say let them have a gun.

You are a fucking idiot. Period.

Hey all...

Ok : Vendzilla : I apologize for calling you names. I'm sure you are a good guy who just happens to have opinions that differ wildly from my own. I don't know who called each other hateful names first (me or you), but I'll be the first one to apologize. I'm sorry.

I obviously started this thread to be a little bit of a Troll, but I was also really interested in knowing what people had to say. And of course I fully expected you to chime-in.

What I was hoping to get you to realize, is that President Obama really is not "coming for your guns", and neither is the Federal Government. In my opinion, the gun laws in the US and even in Canada, are too weak, and should be tightened. This is my opinion and you're free to disagree.

However, even if you dispute all of my claims or all claims of any "liberal", you should know that no matter what, you cannot have your guns taken away: Your gun ownership is protected by the second amendment. Every gun owner should know this. From my point of view, the "Obama is coming for your guns" hysteria was created by the right wing media. Every right-winger, every republican, GOP, Tea Partyer, and even US Democrat should know that your gun rights are protected. The fact that so many people became so upset over something that wasn't even true is what is surprising.

So anyway, enough is enough. I apologize for calling you names. If you ever invite me shooting one day, I'll probably refuse. If I ever buy you a beer, I hope you'll accept it.

Also, the same apology goes out to all Righties and gun enthusiasts. I don't agree with your ideas, but it doesn't mean I get to call you names.

Peace.

I'm more inclined to believe Reuters than some gun nut rag

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9320C720130403

Really...it's hard to believe that article when you look at the slant it's coming from.

Makes sense. If someone uses a knife to kill, it's not because they prefer a knife. It's because they couldn't get their hands on a gun.

Didn't realize you were intentionally trolling, that changes a lot. Thanks for clearing that up. I am always ok with debate and discussion.

He is just used to once again show that the Republican outrage about executive actions is just more pissing in the wind. A whole lot of whining and crying over nothing that is out of the normal.

John F. Kennedy 214

Lyndon B. Johnson 325

Richard Nixon 346

Gerald R. Ford 169

Jimmy Carter 320

Ronald Reagan 381

George Bush 166

William J. Clinton 364

George W. Bush 291

Barack Obama 168

I mean seriously.. It's like every Republican has a stanky ass twat and no cock and balls. All they do is bitch, moan and whine like a bunch of woman non stop. Grow some balls quit whining about everything under the sun, man up and earn your spot at the table.

Well... guns really are a touchy subject. Touchy subjects are easy to generate discussions with.

Can you give me the executive order # i am looking at the federal register and i do not see it....

You never said that YOU were not prejudiced.

First gay person you knew was in the navy? Seems to me, your gay friends and acquaintances were afraid to come out to you until then.

As for me, I was a young Republican Campaigning and knocking on doors to get Carter from being reelected. So your age (and political party assumption) of me is way off base.

My friend does have a "low IQ". He has water on the brain, has had a dozen operations on his brain, and... Isn't all there. It's sad really.

But what's even sadder is the fact that he is allowed to own assault rifles.

My oldest friend I have known for over 53 years, he was in the crib with me. We are going for a ride tomorrow. Are you older than 53? His mother went to JR High school with my mother and his grandfather delivered both of us.

I said openly gay, remember people that were gay back then stayed in the closet.

And I never said anything about your political affiliation.

Carter was a tool , like Obama doesn't know how to handle the middle east.

Please explain if a militia is allow to bear arms why they are allowed to take them home?

Should not the guns be kept at local Militia HQ under guard?

So you can have your armed people, organised, with the guns under collective supervision, ready to take on the standing army and liberate America.

just that no one will have any guns on their own.

You are in the UK and as such are not due an explanation. If it weren't for private guns the US would still be part of the UK, with territories belonging to France, Spain and who knows who else.

I think you're onto something. This is why Western Europeans don't like our guns. Our militias embarrassed them!

:winkwink:

If we had guns could we get you to close your bases and go home?

In 1814 we took a little trip
Along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans.

[Chorus:]
We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin.
There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago.
We fired once more and they began to runnin' on
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We looked down the river and we see'd the British come.
And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum.
They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring.
We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing.

[Chorus]

Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'til we looked 'em in the eye
We held our fire 'til we see'd their faces well.
Then we opened up with squirrel guns and really gave 'em ... well

[Chorus]

Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**

We fired our cannon 'til the barrel melted down.
So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round.
We filled his head with cannon balls, and powdered his behind
And when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind.

[Chorus]

Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.**

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't think our govt. is EVER going to pull our military out of Europe. :disgust

Well, at least it's of economic help for those countries where the military bases are (while it costs our country a fortune).