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CurrentlySober 06-19-2014 04:13 AM
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tony286 06-19-2014 05:18 AM
It's funny, food handling is considered a low wage job, but if not done right, it can cause serious illness and possibly death.

bronco67 06-19-2014 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20129308)
bronco67, do you think that taking my order at McDonald's should be a higher paying job?

I see what you're saying. And the "family members" logic works great at Google or Apple with skilled workers who are looking at this as a career.

I don't think that approach would work for the hamburger flipper at McDonald's who just wants to get through the day so he can head back and play XBox all night long.

Or the construction workers who already make great money...and still steal everything on the site that isn't tied down.

In the real world, people aren't the beautiful and noble creatures. 99% of them will rob your business blind.
Thanks for not surprising me with anything but gargantuan cynicism that I would expect from you.

tony286 06-19-2014 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20129604)
Robbie,

You think hamburger flippers, coffee baristas and construction workers are all unskilled labor? Good luck with that. Electricians working in skyscrapers are very skilled and highly trained workers doing an exceptionally dangerous job. I can tell you from experience, the more you pay them, the more you earn. I've hired hundreds of people in my lifetime, across three entirely different industries. In every case I have raised the compensation of my employees well above 'industry standard' and benefited from doing so. In general when I hire anyone I explain to them, within 90 days you will either be getting a raise or you will be fired.

An electrician making 5 dollars over scale can save you a fucking fortune. A likable person who remembers customers' names and makes them feel welcome at a Starbucks is gold. They also happen to be the ones who let you know who is stealing, how you can create more efficiency, what your customers are saying, etc... Starbucks has 135,000 sensors working for them and capable of providing quality feedback. They are not in the coffee business. They are in the 'hi, it's great to see you Robbie, how is your mom doing? I hope it all worked out for her... Oh, btw I know you like whole grain, did you see we just got in these fresh whole grain muffins, they are delicious... Want a sample?' business. That relies on their 'unskilled labor' more than anything else.
Robbie must be for socializing businesses expenses thru Gov programs which these people getting paid dirt need. If he truly wanted a smaller gov, he should be the one screaming for a higher wage so we aren't making up for the low wage the businesses are paying.

Rochard 06-19-2014 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20129210)
Please show me someone leasing a new BMW on a 15 dollar per hour salary.
Sure sure.

I bought my first car on credit in 1989, a used Mazda R7. I was making $4 an hour, and my car payment was $345. Today, twenty-five years later, these kids are making $15 an hour and you can lease a brand new BMW for $319 a month.

A new BMW used to be a status symbol. Now kids can drop out of high school and expect to make $15/hour. If you can't afford a $300 car payment when you are making $15/hour base wage, you are doing something wrong.

I'm just saying we are sending a bad message here. Why bother to complete high school when you will be rewarded with $15/hour to work fast food.

Relentless 06-19-2014 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20129877)
I bought my first car on credit in 1989....
...and the world remained similar to 1989 over the last 25 years? Seriously, that's like posting "I know a guy who had a horse and buggy in 1787 that he got from a sweetheart of his for a kiss and a song."

Low end BMWs are horrible cars... and no, you can't get the financing or afford the down payment on a $15 per hour salary... even for the horrible low end BMWs.

Robbie 06-19-2014 09:58 AM
@bronco67 I'm not trying be cynical...just realistic. I have seen with my own two eyes how much employees and contractors steal and skim. It's always been that way. And yeah, you can pay them better...but the ones who would steal in the first place will steal anyway. As I said...the majority of people aren't like us (hell, just look at the pirates in our industry for proof of that)

@relentless, YES...I do consider hamburger flipping to be "unskilled labor". What do you call it?

And as for you hiring thousands of people...maybe you did. But I doubt YOU were the one paying them. If you were an employee hiring other employees, good for you.

And it sounds like you were hiring people with education and skills. You should pay them well.

When you make enough money in this lifetime to get your own McDonald's franchise, I'd like you to overpay your employees at that job and see how it works out for you.

Other than that...you're just making conjecture.

You can't say: "Oh I hired guys with actual job skills and paid them a little more than the competition (which is smart) SO...that means that fast food restaurants would get the same results with an unskilled labor position."

Dude, the 2 things are not equal. Never have been, and never will be.


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