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AdultKing 07-08-2014 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FingerPrinter (Post 20152475)
I see that easyxsites is currently down, hopefully not a coincidence

No his piracy blogs are still up

here's another one:

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...els-EasyX1.jpg

AdultKing 07-08-2014 10:11 PM

Corresponding file locker download page

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...ngels-Iza1.jpg

Markul 07-08-2014 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152467)
Actually I told him about this site in 2013 in the following post.

He didn't even ban the domain from coming back when he relaunched.

I suspect this one of his most popular blogs, so I see the real reason why he wants to play games.

You have not sent a single DMCA complain. Not one. Ever. You know this. Last time you chose to post hundreds of links here, we had already removed the vast majority a LONG time before you posted them - you just did a Google search and wanted to cause drama and attract attention to your donation campaign. At that time you didn't even check the sites before you posted them.

Anyhow, that site has been removed (again). Thanks for letting me know. Next time try with a proper DMCA complaint. Saves everyone a lot of time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FingerPrinter (Post 20152472)
Fuck your vacation you fucking scum sucking goofball

First you complain you're on a pirate list, and when it's pointed out your lame ass blog network hosts pirate sites you say go ahead and report them? You are part of the problem. :321GFY:321GFY:321GFY Typical GFY goofball

You clearly don't know very much. But have a nice day whoever it is you are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152478)
Corresponding file locker download page

Wow. You found two sites in my network that links to filelockers - a network of more than 5000 blogs... Good job!! Now will you start to actually report them or just keep posting them here? Because I will be on the road for 6 hours tomorrow and am heading to bed now. DMCA mailbox is monitored in EU business hours and acted upon in due time.

GFY isn't really the outlet for this and response time will be MUCH MUCH slower. But even though you know this, you seem to think this is the best place to get results.

Also you are aware that we aren't actually hosting anything illegal right? They are posting links and images hosted elsewhere (at least that's what most do, some upload them). You know, kinda like how Google does. So why don't you actually focus on something that makes a difference and start there.

As I always said: You are welcome to report sites, more than welcome. We'll always act as we always have. But this public spectacle. Man. What a waste of time and effort. But it's your time.

Again. Fort the 10th time. As I have said before and again when this comes up, we have a zero tolerance to piracy - so when actual rights holders or their representatives contact us, we react. Fast. We've always done that.

If anyone thinks I somehow benefit from piracy, well that's on you - cause you are wrong. We don't even skim traffic or anything. :helpme

AlexAnthony 07-09-2014 12:27 AM

Some users already know that BongaCam is a BongaSCAM because they doesn`t pay their affiliate , even on RevShare they still won`t pay you , they will find something to attach on and make false statements to you. While if you post here on GFY they are so "legit" and they "pay" the affiliates. No shit ? Who got paid by BongaSCAMS ? Nobody. They doesn`t fucking care about us , let us make money for them , we get nothing but wasted time which could of convert with other cam affiliate that would for REAL pay money. Fuck them so yeah..

AdultKing 07-09-2014 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20152504)
you just did a Google search and wanted to cause drama and attract attention to your donation campaign

If you think we use Google then you're really underestimating what we do.

I am sorry you are embarrassed that we found piracy sites on your network again. I am sure you are doubly embarrassed that the largest of them is the SAME ONE we told you about last time.

I am very truly sorry your feelings have been hurt and you think you've been unfairly targeted but unless you clean up your network and PROACTIVELY get rid of piracy sites then this "spectacle" will continue.

There is only so long you will be allowed to claim ignorance until I label you a pirate :2 cents:

AdultKing 07-09-2014 02:08 AM

Here's an illegal streaming site Markul, might want to rid yourself of those too.

http://x.easyxblogs.com/page/1/Porn-TV

BongaCams 07-09-2014 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20151864)
You recruit webmasters on WJunction which is a known haven of file locker operators, direct download site operators, piracy blogs, file locker uploaders and so on

Based on your logic, everyone who have account on a popular public webmasters forum is a pirate. That's ridiculous.
For fact, there's "bad people" on every forum. That's why every affiliate program have a Terms page. Here is a quote: "Bongacash.com does not accept traffic from any site that contains materials which constitutes an infringement, misappropriation or violation of any individual's or entity's intellectual property rights including but not limited to copyrights, trademark rights, rights of publicity, patent rights, personal property rights, privacy rights, etc."

We process all legitimate infringements and take appropriate actions against all affiliates that would go against our Terms.

So, where exactly you have seen that someone with BongaCash forum account has been recruiting piracy sites? Show it! We are sure you don't have any because we never did it, and all your words have no value.
Along with some other GFY members we honestly doubt that you do any good job fighting piracy, because all you do here is making a dumb and fake statements, without providing any proof. There's not a single reason to use your services, because you are a liar. Furthermore, going to be a well known liar very soon.

AdultKing 07-09-2014 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BongaCams (Post 20152712)
Based on your logic, everyone who have account on a popular public webmasters forum is a pirate. That's ridiculous.

You do know that WJunction stands for Warez Junction and it's the major point at which file locker and other pirate webmasters congregate ?

Personally I don't believe that you're that stupid. I believe you knew exactly what WJunction is and deliberately recruited there. Which is why there are pirate sites linking to you.

By having pirates as affiliates, you are funding piracy.

Zeiss 07-09-2014 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152748)
You do know that WJunction stands for Warez Junction

Webmaster Junction...

AdultKing 07-09-2014 07:19 AM

BongaCams being promoted on a porn torrent tracker:

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...notracker2.jpg

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...notracker1.jpg

AdultKing 07-09-2014 07:23 AM

BongaCams being promoted on a site full of file locker links:

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten.../downsoft1.jpg


but no, Bonga has never recruited pirates.

katja_AWNews 07-09-2014 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeiss (Post 20152757)
Webmaster Junction...

I have seen a fair amount of web programs browsing there for new affiliates. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder right?

AdultKing 07-09-2014 07:26 AM

BongaCams being promoted on another blog full of XXX download direct from file lockers

http://stopfilelockers.com/wp-conten...dblogfilms.jpg

katja_AWNews 07-09-2014 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152806)

but no, Bonga has never recruited pirates.

recruited or attracted.... ?
The forum he is having a old post in is WebmasterJunction, that forum might be a honeypot for your mission, but there are also webmasters on there who jump from layer 1 to layer 2, and actually become pretty skilled and jump to GFY. Not sure if that jump was a upgrade, will leave that in the middle, but to also label Markul now (and his service) as a pirate is a little bit to much if you ask me. There is more gain in collaboration and helping each other out when you want to battle a group that you seem to have targeted.

AdultKing 07-09-2014 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katja wescort (Post 20152814)
recruited or attracted.... ?
The forum he is having a old post in is WebmasterJunction, that forum might be a honeypot for your mission, but there are also webmasters on there who jump from layer 1 to layer 2, and actually become pretty skilled and jump to GFY. Not sure if that jump was a upgrade, will leave that in the middle, but to also label Markul now (and his service) as a pirate is a little bit to much if you ask me. There is more gain in collaboration and helping each other out when you want to battle a group that you seem to have targeted.

Read my original post. I offered to (1) rid Bongacash of all the pirated videos of their performers that are all over file lockers and (2) provide them a list of piracy sites linking to them.

However they're not interested, so what conclusions can be drawn from that ?

adultmobile 07-09-2014 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BongaCams (Post 20152712)
Based on your logic, everyone who have account on a popular public webmasters forum is a pirate.

In fact, AdultKing thinks everyone who promote BongaCams is a pirate, too. This is why he posted in this piracy themed thread the most complete affiliate list he had - upsetting the legitimate affiliates included in such list.

I work in a cam company, we do not write in wjunction (yet), but if anyone reported me of a thread in wjunction (or any else forum) where people ask things about our program, it is quite normal we would make an account there and reply somewhat, this is not "hiring pirates".

I make one more obvious example: what a cam program does not wish or want it is the cheater affiliates, i.e. who tries to scam the cam site by doing fake signups with proxy/vpn and stolen cards etc. - actually these guys meet and discuss in blackhat, carding and hack forums. I do have accounts in blackhat, carding and hack forums, as both real and fake names, just in order to know and protect ourselves from those fraudster affiliates, and at times to troll them in their own threads. Having an account there sure does not mean we support them scamming and defrauding us, but the contrary. If we had accounts in a (mostly) piracy forum, it could be not to support piracy, but for example, to learn who of our affiliates it is a pirate so to ban them quicker.

AdultKing 07-09-2014 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20152837)
I work in a cam company, we do not write in wjunction (yet), but if anyone reported me of a thread in wjunction (or any else forum) where people ask things about our program, it is quite normal we would make an account there and reply somewhat, this is not "hiring pirates".

I agree, however you haven't made a thread where you promote your program then answer actual pirates about how to promote the program and then have those same pirates throw your program up on piracy sites and then do nothing about it.

BongaCash/BongaCams I have two simple questions.

1. Are you concerned that there are more than 18,000 videos of your performers that have been ripped from your site that are downloadable from just one file locker ?

2. If I provide you with a list of all your affiliates that are referring traffic from piracy sites will you terminate them, or don't you want the list ?

8pt-buck 07-09-2014 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152819)
Read my original post. I offered to (1) rid Bongacash of all the pirated videos of their performers that are all over file lockers and (2) provide them a list of piracy sites linking to them.

However they're not interested, so what conclusions can be drawn from that ?


Classic encounter between the forces of evil and evil.

katja_AWNews 07-09-2014 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152819)
Read my original post. I offered to (1) rid Bongacash of all the pirated videos of their performers that are all over file lockers and (2) provide them a list of piracy sites linking to them.

However they're not interested, so what conclusions can be drawn from that ?

I was still waiting on the evidence regarding the post where you claimed Bonga is actively recruiting torrent site owners to work with him. Him being on Wjunction (W does not stand for Warez ) is not proof at all.

emill 07-09-2014 08:39 AM

Bonga cash bonga cash are very big assholes, i have bad experience

Zeiss 07-09-2014 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katja wescort (Post 20152807)
I have seen a fair amount of web programs browsing there for new affiliates. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder right?

:thumbsup

Quote:

Originally Posted by emill (Post 20152904)
Bonga cash bonga cash are very big assholes, i have bad experience

Maybe your traffic sucks... I only had good experience... :1orglaugh And still do..

dunhill 07-09-2014 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152846)
I agree, however you haven't made a thread where you promote your program then answer actual pirates about how to promote the program and then have those same pirates throw your program up on piracy sites and then do nothing about it.

BongaCash/BongaCams I have two simple questions.

1. Are you concerned that there are more than 18,000 videos of your performers that have been ripped from your site that are downloadable from just one file locker ?

2. If I provide you with a list of all your affiliates that are referring traffic from piracy sites will you terminate them, or don't you want the list ?


You provided the list already, except that your list is wrong, most of the sites are either legitimate sites, either unrelated sites and you made a fool of yourself with that list.

Any proofs of actually killing any filelocker?

WDF 07-09-2014 10:33 AM

Yes the "W" in WJunction does in fact stand for warez.

The original name for the same site was WarezJunction but was changed to appear more mainstream.

The original site was set up as a support site for a large Direct Download Listing site called Katz.

Some of you either do not know that sites history or are trying to rewrite it.

I really enjoy how the majority of you would rather bitch about what is posted here instead of what is posted elsewhere.

Maybe it is time to start reporting sites owned by Dutch residents that promote piracy to BRIEN and let them pursue them in the Dutch courts.

Zeiss 07-09-2014 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20153038)
Some of you either do not know that sites history or are trying to rewrite it.

Actually, I didn't know... Just made a gues... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Don't care... Don't have account there...

AdultKing 07-09-2014 11:06 AM

I've posted several screen captures of piracy sites promoting BongaCams, I can post more.

It's undeniable Bonga are taking pirate traffic, now the question is what are they going to do about it ?

BongaCash/BongaCams I have two simple questions.

1. Are you concerned that there are more than 18,000 videos of your performers that have been ripped from your site that are downloadable from just one file locker ?

2. If I provide you with a list of all your affiliates that are referring traffic from piracy sites will you terminate them, or don't you want the list ?

adultmobile 07-10-2014 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20152846)
I agree, however you haven't made a thread where you promote your program

Yes BongaCams opened a thread, but last post is 28th nov 2013 and not by them:

http://www.wjunction.com/111-affilia.../159298-3.html

I see that some people talked of our cam program in wjunction:

http://www.wjunction.com/86-webmaste...e-program.html

The guy tried our program but he asks for another supporting more countries (bongacams pay also for russia signups and such, we don't). Interestingly, the guys reply suggesting: datingfactory, chaturbate and videosecrets. No one suggested bongacams.

From these 2 threads, using AdultKing logics, I conclude that: 1) videosecrets is suggested by pirates and 2) bongacams is not suggested by pirates, or popular in wjunction at all.

I suggest you hire some guy who is good in statistics and data analisis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics
https://www.coursera.org/course/statistics

In fact rather than either post entire lists containing both pirates and no pirates, citing a number of items without its % over total items in a filelocker, or in general citing single items without its % over context where is taken from, the science (of which the law is part), it needs statements such as: "the X% of the affiliates/traffic of program Y are mostly related to piracy", or, "the X% of active posts in forum Y talk about sponsor Z as good to convert piracy traffic - this is X times more than other sponsors ZZZ" and so on.

DamianJ 07-10-2014 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20153068)
It's undeniable Bonga are taking pirate traffic, now the question is what are they going to do about it ?

Are crakrevenue still advertising on the pirate bay? You gonna help them too?

AdultKing 07-10-2014 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20153857)
Are crakrevenue still advertising on the pirate bay? You gonna help them too?

I don't believe they have recently, it's mostly been Exoclick, but we've seen CrakRevenue affiliates advertising through Exoclick on ThePirateBay

BongaCams 07-11-2014 01:40 AM

AdultKing, your efforts in trying to ensure everyone that making a thread on a public forum is equal to “recruiting a piracy sites” is getting more and more ridiculous. You better provide any direct evidence, that we so called “deliberately and knowingly recruit piracy sites as affiliates”. We are 120% sure that we never did.

You may think that making a dumb statement and then offering your service to the company you have offended might be a good idea, but it's not. We do take actions against those who is stealing our content, and the only reason why your offer isn't accepted is because you act like an idiot.

TeenCat 07-11-2014 01:44 AM

seriously, what you see on wjunction? i see only filelockers, piracy. have you seen any other adult program advertising on pro piracy forums, for example on wjunction? quick look shows that there are only filelockers discussion, so people talking about sharing stolen content and making money on it. why do you advertise there? because there is traffic, from stolen content, from stolen adult/porn content ... you know it, you support it ... :2 cents:

Paully 07-11-2014 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20152504)
You have not sent a single DMCA complain. Not one. Ever. You know this. Last time you chose to post hundreds of links here, we had already removed the vast majority a LONG time before you posted them - you just did a Google search and wanted to cause drama and attract attention to your donation campaign. At that time you didn't even check the sites before you posted them.

Anyhow, that site has been removed (again). Thanks for letting me know. Next time try with a proper DMCA complaint. Saves everyone a lot of time.



You clearly don't know very much. But have a nice day whoever it is you are.



Wow. You found two sites in my network that links to filelockers - a network of more than 5000 blogs... Good job!! Now will you start to actually report them or just keep posting them here? Because I will be on the road for 6 hours tomorrow and am heading to bed now. DMCA mailbox is monitored in EU business hours and acted upon in due time.

GFY isn't really the outlet for this and response time will be MUCH MUCH slower. But even though you know this, you seem to think this is the best place to get results.

Also you are aware that we aren't actually hosting anything illegal right? They are posting links and images hosted elsewhere (at least that's what most do, some upload them). You know, kinda like how Google does. So why don't you actually focus on something that makes a difference and start there.

As I always said: You are welcome to report sites, more than welcome. We'll always act as we always have. But this public spectacle. Man. What a waste of time and effort. But it's your time.

Again. Fort the 10th time. As I have said before and again when this comes up, we have a zero tolerance to piracy - so when actual rights holders or their representatives contact us, we react. Fast. We've always done that.

If anyone thinks I somehow benefit from piracy, well that's on you - cause you are wrong. We don't even skim traffic or anything. :helpme

Markul. Don't be a shit bird. I like you but you can be the reason I visit GFY and every other board everyday. I could explain what a thieving cocksucker you are or how you worked with content owners.

Paully 07-11-2014 02:10 AM

Anybody as an advertiser has a responsibility to monitor their network. If you cant police it then stop taking on clients or get more help. Either way dont give me some shit about you not knowing. Fucking piriod.

Paully 07-11-2014 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BongaCams (Post 20154706)
AdultKing, your efforts in trying to ensure everyone that making a thread on a public forum is equal to ?recruiting a piracy sites? is getting more and more ridiculous. You better provide any direct evidence, that we so called ?deliberately and knowingly recruit piracy sites as affiliates?. We are 120% sure that we never did.

You may think that making a dumb statement and then offering your service to the company you have offended might be a good idea, but it's not. We do take actions against those who is stealing our content, and the only reason why your offer isn't accepted is because you act like an idiot.

You are a cock sucker. You didnt respond to at least 6 of my DMCA notices. I even put one on the board for you. Right in front of your face. I asked you nicely at least 5 times. You said fuck off and you're not my babysitter. Remember that shit smartguy?

Burn bitch, burn.:1orglaugh:pimp

MetaformX 07-11-2014 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paully (Post 20154727)
You are a cock sucker. You didnt respond to at least 6 of my DMCA notices. I even put one on the board for you. Right in front of your face. I asked you nicely at least 5 times. You said fuck off and you're not my babysitter. Remember that shit smartguy?

Burn bitch, burn.:1orglaugh:pimp

Why would you DMCA Bongacams? Were they using your content??

Paully 07-11-2014 06:23 AM

Yes. They use my content as s source to generate their traffic. They pay their affiliates whether it is from my stolen content or yours. They are scamming pieces of shit who I will no doubt meet at a show.

AdultKing 07-11-2014 08:18 AM

BongaCams recruited and conversed with piracy site webmasters at WJunction.com

That's an undeniable fact

BongaCams have piracy sites in their affiliate program.

That's also an undeniable fact.

BongaCams is going to lose their ability to process credit card payments.

I will make sure of that - I always keep a promise.

The one alternative course of action is BongaCams works with us. Their choice.

</thread>

dunhill 07-11-2014 08:53 AM

Are you mad cause Bongas is not donating?
http://i.imgur.com/FgWDkPl.jpg

AdultKing 07-11-2014 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dunhill (Post 20155065)
Are you mad cause Bongas is not donating?
http://i.imgur.com/FgWDkPl.jpg

Welcome back to the forum, one nick banned and another revived hey ?

By the way, idiot, the offer was free - no strings attached.

dunhill 07-11-2014 09:29 AM

Who is not donating to your useless campaign is a pirate.
Stop crying, I am against bongas too.
What offer? You posted some unrelated sites or legit affiliates sites claiming that are piracy and you made a fool of yourself. Your crawler is shit and you are claiming that you closed some no traffic piracy blogspots.
Any filelocker actually closed?

I'm against Bongas who is burning traffic with free shows, I'm against filelockers who sell stolen content for peanuts and I'm against you who is supporting tubes that sells traffic for $1. And some people cry that the users won't spend money on porn.

WDF 07-11-2014 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dunhill (Post 20155065)


Hmmm this looks a lot like a response from a WJunction member!

AdultKing 07-11-2014 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20155123)
Hmmm this looks a lot like a response from a WJunction member!

Yeah, no shit.

halfpint 07-11-2014 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TeenCat (Post 20154709)
seriously, what you see on wjunction? i see only filelockers, piracy. have you seen any other adult program advertising on pro piracy forums, for example on wjunction? quick look shows that there are only filelockers discussion, so people talking about sharing stolen content and making money on it. why do you advertise there? because there is traffic, from stolen content, from stolen adult/porn content ... you know it, you support it ... :2 cents:



I have seen Livejasmin on Tube sites with stolen content. A lot of the adult biz is built around stolen content which is not going to change anytime soon unless of coures you call in the mighty Adult King..... he will crush all piracy u know :helpme

TheMaster 07-11-2014 04:17 PM

bump for AdultKing's efforts

NewNick 07-12-2014 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20155029)

BongaCams is going to lose their ability to process credit card payments.

I will make sure of that - I always keep a promise.


</thread>

Wow.

I am generally supportive of your efforts against piracy and file lockers, but that statement is exceptionally foolish.

If you made such threats against any of my interests it would get very legal very quickly.

Now you are very good at dishing out advice for others, can I suggest that making threats like that on a public board is going to get you into hot water, and does nothing to further your cause.

:2 cents:

dunhill 07-12-2014 03:38 AM

He is pissed that Bongas are not donating and frustrated that he posted a list full of unrelated or legit affiliates sites claiming that are pirates supporting Bongas.
Now he goes and spam the payment processors hoping that it will close the payment for Bongas.

Adult King is claiming that he closed some blogspots and no traffic websites but no large filelocker actually closed.
Also claims that anyone promoting Bongas or not donating is a pirate.

adultmobile 07-13-2014 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 20155818)
If you made such threats against any of my interests

http://www.screeninsults.com/images/...her-refuse.JPG

katja_AWNews 07-13-2014 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paully (Post 20154718)
Markul. Don't be a shit bird. I like you but you can be the reason I visit GFY and every other board everyday. I could explain what a thieving cocksucker you are or how you worked with content owners.

Markul is just suffering a double hard drive crash and besides that, he feeds noobs with a place to become an affiliate, no startup costs. Many people use his system and he has to check all one by one every fucking day?

Now if you please us all, go teach him how to do his work if you know it so much better.

Not sure why you now consider him to be a pirate middle men, you should be nicer to him for sure if that is not to much trouble for you.

katja_AWNews 07-13-2014 05:20 PM

MrDeiz, he was/is a great promoter of AdultKing his work in many threads
1 Day later he was snooping new affiliates with a sneaky intro text on the forum Wjunction trying to get new affiliates, and a week later posting on GFY a job offer cause he could not handle the new signups.

DO you say anything about him? NO NO, you go attack a service domain instead of the profiteers who are doing it so sneaky, while you sleep on your cum filled pillow.

Get updated :)

katja_AWNews 07-13-2014 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20152504)

Again. Fort the 10th time. As I have said before and again when this comes up, we have a zero tolerance to piracy - so when actual rights holders or their representatives contact us, we react. Fast. We've always done that.

If anyone thinks I somehow benefit from piracy, well that's on you - cause you are wrong. We don't even skim traffic or anything. :helpme

if he emails you, he misses his valuable views. The only thing that gives him a boner in the morning is GFY stats. Ignore him, meaningless tool he is.

PornDiscounts-V 07-13-2014 06:50 PM

All fun in times of war.


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