Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20151897)

In 2073 humans started colonizing other worlds. Shortly thereafter all the republicans decided to leave the now-poluted-beyond-tolerance-levels Earth and start their own new planet named Conmerica. The dems followed suit and founded their own planet and named it Demerica. Surely everyone would be happy now that everyone on each new world is of the same mind politically, no?

Within 50 years both planets suffered brutal civil wars. Why? Because even with no one to argue with, the fact is people are people. Our need for conflict and strife and bitching about government supercedes our need for peace and cooperation and desire for a free and happy life. If we can't fight over differing politically we'll fight those who have different religious beliefs.

New planets were colonized. On this one only those who are baptist righties who oppose abortion will live there. On this other planet only lefty hedonists who support universal health care and a free monthly pot allowance for everyone are welcome. And guess what? Within 20 years wars broke out on all those planets. Over this, over that, over nothing.

Because let's face it, we humans are assholes.

Face it, the USA has two whole other churches these days. Two whole other religions. The church of Dem, and the church of Con. You're raised to ascribe to one or the other, most simply growing up to regurgitate all the BS their parents fed them over the years. You join your 'church', you give your tithes (and then some), you worship your church-party leaders, and every 4 years you renew your vows.

Fact is you're all a little bit right, and a whole lot of wrong. Hmm... if only the two sides could, oh I don't know, somehow join forces and work together for the common good. Then that would mean you'd be collectively a whole lot more right and a whole lot less wrong, no? Of course it would. Instead we have American men and women right now on match.com putting statements in their profiles like "If you are a Dem then don't bother contacting me".... "If you're a Repub then don't bother contacting me".

How sad is that?

Ding, ding... hear that? That's your reverend Limbaugh ringing the church bell. That's pastor Jon Stewart ringing the church bell. Let us go and pray for our own salvation whilst we throw ridicule and scorn at the other side. Let us block the other side from doing anything good at every turn, for it should be us that makes those changes, not THEM!

Ah but what do I know, I'm just a stupid Canadian. :D

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20151944)

Generally speaking, you either believe in personal freedom, responsibility and liberty, or you expect others to tell you what to do, how to act, how to live, where you can go, monitor you, shelter you, & provide for you like a parent your whole life and seek to force others to comply with your will (slavery). There's really no in-between. You are either free, or you are not. There are no degrees of freedom.

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 20151076)

Another post made where the person has no clue what they are talking about :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20151531)

Where do you get that ridiculous idea that rich pay less taxes? Rich pay MORE taxes. They are punished for being quality members of society, working hard/smart and earning more. Thanks to the leftist loser mentality mongers (punish harder working, give away and encourage less/lazy working crowd).

Originally Posted by Tom_PM (Post 20151601)

Taxes are based on percentages. If you pay a lower percentage than the next guy, that means you pay less taxes than that guy. It has nothing to do with one number being larger than the other until you talk tax rate, which is expressed as a percentage.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20151968)

so, what you need, is a country of conservatives!

i believe Iran is your answer. have luck.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20151981)

Do you think Iran believes in small govt. and personal freedoms?

Remember...Liberal has been hijacked by "Progressives" in this country who have changed what it means to be liberal.
Conservatives have been hijacked by religious social agenda groups.

I'm pretty sure that brother wasn't talking about either of those. He was referring to NOT having the country run by the "progressive" types who never question the govt. and have no sense of self-responsibility.

I'm pretty sure that people in Iran fall in line with the govt. and obey them...just like modern day "liberals" do here in the U.S.
That doesn't mean that liberals would fit in with Iran. Just like it doesn't mean that "conservatives" would either.

Me? I'd probably fit in living at Hedo 2 in Jamaica :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20151968)

so, what you need, is a country of conservatives!

i believe Iran is your answer. have luck.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20151998)

Since when do Iranian politics represent freedom?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20151981)

Do you think Iran believes in small govt. and personal freedoms?

Remember...Liberal has been hijacked by "Progressives" in this country who have changed what it means to be liberal.
Conservatives have been hijacked by religious social agenda groups.

I'm pretty sure that brother wasn't talking about either of those. He was referring to NOT having the country run by the "progressive" types who never question the govt. and have no sense of self-responsibility.

I'm pretty sure that people in Iran fall in line with the govt. and obey them...just like modern day "liberals" do here in the U.S.
That doesn't mean that liberals would fit in with Iran. Just like it doesn't mean that "conservatives" would either.

Me? I'd probably fit in living at Hedo 2 in Jamaica :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20152014)

i am glad you asked :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company

reading from 1930s to the coup of 1950s will very much underline how iranian politics represent freedom.

it just so happens, of course, that 'freedom' in this case used religion, and we get what we see today.

seems to be a lot of religion speech in the states. certainly is up here. curious, yes?

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20152055)

We don't rule by religious doctrine. Or at least we're not supposed to. Seems the government doesn't really care about that rule as belief in evolution is forced on kids in schools.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20151997)

sorry i just scanned your text again. you'd, be wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2...ction_protests

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20152067)

there is a few different ways of saying this, but:

"hell is full of good wishes and desires" apparently is the first documented version.

you say your country doesn't rule by religious doctrine.. but, there seems to be a great deal of political, national discourse on gay marriage. as a conservative, are you able to explain satisfactorily why a group who trumpets personal freedom and small government, would be so interested in deciding peoples religious futures?

it's an unfair thing to ask, especially considering just how many times 'democrats' and 'republicans' have switched their platforms on the basis of what 'the masses want'.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20151611)

Bush inherited the problem from Clinton (a leftie.) Uh oh. Now what?

Blame is an excuse. Excuses are bull shit. You either do it or you don't. Real men don't say "but mommy, it was hard!" or "they won't play with me!"

The left conveniently forgets the reason why the right will not work with the President. I'm not saying that it's right, I'm not saying it's a worthy excuse (see above,) but at least acknowledge the fact that the President fucked them and they are sore losers. Sore losers do not like hugging the guy that just fucked them. That is just human behavior, that is just politics. That the President did not see it coming is absolutely mind-boggling, shortsighted, and naive.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20152093)

Richard, you kill me man. lol

But seriously..if the MAJORITY of Iranians rose up against their govt.things would be different.

They don't. The majority of them back their govt. and do what they are told like sheep.

When a countrie's people actually rise up against the govt. ON THEIR OWN (without the U.S. meddling), then shit happens. (just like when our founding fathers rose up against the most powerful military on Earth in 1776).

Not sure why or how you come up with some of your ideas...but I love ya anyway. lol

Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 20152120)

please provide 5 examples of Clinton was a lefty. I will wait.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20152139)

Out of everything in that statement, THAT is what you decide to grab on to.

That's called deflection. That's what we do when we need to change the subject because we know the other person is right. It's nice to see that you agree Obama fucked himself by inciting the Tea Party to overthrow the traditional Republicans, totally killing any possibility of "working together." And who are we kidding, he doesn't want to "work together" anyway, he wants things done his way. Not that I blame him, he is the President after all.

I'm not deflecting, it's a waste of time to research five reasons why Bill Clinton would be considered to the left. Democrats are considered left, Republicans are considered right. If you want to play some political spectrum bull shit game that somehow places Bill Clinton to the right of George W. and George Sr, have at it.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20152139)

Blame is an excuse. Excuses are bull shit. You either do it or you don't. Real men don't say "but mommy, it was hard!" or "they won't play with me!"

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20151944)

Generally speaking, you either believe in personal freedom, responsibility and liberty, or you expect others to tell you what to do, how to act, how to live, where you can go, monitor you, shelter you, & provide for you like a parent your whole life and seek to force others to comply with your will (slavery). There's really no in-between. You are either free, or you are not. There are no degrees of freedom.

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20152156)

I suppose the question then becomes: will you feel 'more free' if a conservative takes the oath of office in 2016?

Because if that happens I'm pretty sure all those in the church of Dems will feel 'less free'.

That's one of the most curious things about politics I've noticed, is that no matter which of the two 'churches' you worship at, Dem or Con, every member is convinced that all is right with the world when their party is IN, and all is wrong with the world when the other party is IN.

Both sides utterly convinced that all of their party's policies and proposals are 100% right, and the other sides are 100% wrong. Who's thirsty for cool-aid!

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20152156)

I suppose the question then becomes: will you feel 'more free' if a conservative takes the oath of office in 2016?

Because if that happens I'm pretty sure all those in the church of Dems will feel 'less free'.

That's one of the most curious things about politics I've noticed, is that no matter which of the two 'churches' you worship at, Dem or Con, every member is convinced that all is right with the world when their party is IN, and all is wrong with the world when the other party is IN.

Both sides utterly convinced that all of their party's policies and proposals are 100% right, and the other sides are 100% wrong. Who's thirsty for cool-aid!

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20150832)

wow.

That's a whole lot of stupid all in one viewing.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20151531)

Where do you get that ridiculous idea that rich pay less taxes? Rich pay MORE taxes. They are punished for being quality members of society, working hard/smart and earning more. Thanks to the leftist loser mentality mongers (punish harder working, give away and encourage less/lazy working crowd).

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20150825)

It's no secret I'm not a fan of the Republican Party, however I'm really at a loss to figure out anything recently they have gotten right. There was all the fear mongering about Obamacare with death panels, being a job killer and would cause the anti Christ to rise. None of their warnings came true, today more people are insured, the insurance on average is cheaper and Obamacare has created over a million jobs just in the health industry due to more demand. Not even counting the insurance industry.

Speaking of jobs and even the economy. Despite the rights best efforts to destroy the economy with sequesters and being budget nazis the economy is doing just fine and jobs are coming back.

Then there is the whole social aspect of things.. They are pro drug war, meanwhile states that have legalized pot are doing just great.

They are anti sex ed and so on.. In Texas they stopped teaching sex ed in schools and stopped giving teens free access to birth control and teen pregnancies skyrocketed. Meanwhile in Colorado just the opposite occurred, they started giving out free birth control to teens and teen pregnancies dropped 40%.

Then there is the can of worms about global warming.. They ignore all science on the subject and don't have any data to back up their claims but still they think they are right.

Then we have green energy.. They hang on to coal like it's the life blood of the world, meanwhile the solar industry already employes more people than the coal industry and it's growing unlike coal.

Hell they can't even get smaller govt or less taxes right. The last 3 republican presidents have expanded the govt and had record spending.

Honestly what have they actually done right?

Originally Posted by AMDWarrior (Post 20152259)

Obama..LOL better question would be what has he gotten right..fucking joke of a president..

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20152245)

Umm you should go back and research what taxes on the rich were over the last 100 years. Taxes for the rich right now are at an all time low. It used to be as high as 76% in the 20's if you made a million bucks or more. It was 71% if you made between $300k to 900k.

It was lowered down to 46% and now days the super wealth pay less than 20%. I'm all for paying as little taxes as possible, however the right just wants to cut taxes but never wants to cut spending. If the right wants low taxes, then they need top cut the spending and not just try to making it a partisan issue by only trying to cut spending on so called entitlements while trying to add to the military budget and shovel truck loads of money to big business.

That's why Bush Jr destroyed the budget by giving away the surplus before the budget was completely balanced then put two wars on Chinese credit cards. Obama of course hasn't been a saint, but he was also let holding the back of a ruined economy with bail outs already signed by Bush and 2 wars that were already being added to the credit debt.

Republicans talk the talk when it comes to spending and budgets but they never walk the walk.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20152245)

Umm you should go back and research what taxes on the rich were over the last 100 years. Taxes for the rich right now are at an all time low. It used to be as high as 76% in the 20's if you made a million bucks or more. It was 71% if you made between $300k to 900k.

Originally Posted by AMDWarrior (Post 20152259)

Obama..LOL better question would be what has he gotten right..fucking joke of a president..

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 20152321)

Still with the same percentage bullshit. Everyone should be paying the same dollar amount. or a tax percent on the money's spent. That is the only way things would be "fair"

The economy/jobs stuff is a bunch of bs for people to whine about, If they wanted things fixed they could do it almost overnight with just a few changes on things.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20152451)

He got Bin Laden.. Just those 4 words account for more than the Right has managed to do in the last 14 years.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20152455)

I also agree that everyone should pay the same percent. In fact I think the current system is fucked up. I'm just showing you that right now the rich are paying the lowest tax rate they have ever paid.

The problem is, the system should be fixed for "everyone" Not just the upper 1%, which is all the right wing really cares about.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20152455)

I also agree that everyone should pay the same percent. In fact I think the current system is fucked up. I'm just showing you that right now the rich are paying the lowest tax rate they have ever paid.

The problem is, the system should be fixed for "everyone" Not just the upper 1%, which is all the right wing really cares about.

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 20152461)

Prove it.

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 20152476)

:Oh crap My apologies I read it wrong... Guess I'm the dumb one on this last post... haha Guess I need some sleep..

Yes they should, but that same 1% is still paying more than the others.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20152483)

crockett, you are getting some good page views with your recent trollings. You need to get something to sell in that sig! :)

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20152484)

If they make more money, then they should pay more. That's the way it works, it's not rocket science.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20152481)

You can't be this fucking stupid can you? I mean really?

Originally Posted by Ed Hammer (Post 20152527)

And there goes the trolling :)