Do you think the moon landings were a hoax? All you have to do is search google for the picture of his dead body if you are into that kind of thing. I mean really do you think they used a stunt double?

That's a whole lot of effort of crashing a helicopter and getting a seal team to go along with the story as well as every solder and top level brass, every CIA agent and every govt official that was involved including "Republicans" that hate Obama's guts.. Yet that all seems more plausible to you than the fact they actually killed him?

All this just to give Obama a bump in the polls for a few weeks and yet in all this time not a single person has come forward to say it's all a lie? Yea that seems like reality to me.. in a world even the NSA can't even keep their secrets hidden.

This is what you really believe?

Why are you changing the subject? Realized that you have no proof? :1orglaugh

That would make you a "conservative" if you actually tried to make money on something! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh (unless your plan is to make the money and then give it all to the govt. lol)

I think your confused.
 

It is when Democrates are in office that the government expands and that government spending growes out of control. Granted George W Bush Sr. should have started and fininshed the War with Al Quada but Jr. was trying to fight two fronts. It could have been finished as we helped the people and get out. Iran and Iraq/Afganistan and the middle east will always be at a religious war. We the people have thought about impeaching Clinton for Saving & Loan Debackel, But we won't for Obama lying about Fast N Furious, Bengazi, Lying to the American people by promising they could keep their healthcare coverage if they wanted to, when in reality tens of millions will be forced out of their current plans, Attempted bribery of Rep. Joe Sestak with job offers to get him to drop out of the Senate primary race against Sen. Arlen Specter. Intentionally not securing or nation's boarders, Giving apartite to illigeals where they have gotten free healthcare, schooling, collegiate educations over americans, Spending $23 million of taxpayer money through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) to support a constitutional referendum in Kenya in spite of the Siljander Amendment, which makes it illegal for the U.S. to lobby for abortion in other countries. The list goes on and on about issues the American Public has over looked with Obama. I have not even started to illustrate what the RIGHT HAS DONE RIGHT. BUT I WILL. BOTH SIDES HAVE FAILED WE THE PEOPLE. I don't recall the House of Represenatives memeber, but I will find out if you insist, that stated that memebers of the house and sentate should go on the record for the Supreme Court what they know to have gone on during their term and these statments will be provided to the American People, thus WE THE PEOPLE can vote in new members of the House, Senate and VP & President. I dont know all the facts but neither do you.

Why on earth would you think conservatives are the only ones that make money? I've owned several businesses in my life but do you think I'm conservative?

Read the Santa Claus theory, its the gop play book spend like drunken sailors when in power then cry about spending when they arent in power. I bet you dollars to donuts if Mitt got in. He would of said its alot worse than we thought and let the spending loose and all the righties would have fallen in line like they did for W.

Wait you complain about Bengazi,and Obamacare yet all evidence shows there was no cover up and more people have insurance now than has ever had it, but you think bush got it right when he told us Iraq's oil,would pay for the war and that Saddam had WMDs, not to mention something like 13 embassy attacks during the bush admin.

Congrats for essentially just repeating the right wing talking points...

So...NOW the truth comes out! You're real name is "crockett Koch"

I knew it! You are some kind of hardcore extremist right winger!!!

It would probably pain Vendzilla to know that a family relative of mine actually went to China in the 80s as a special envoy for the Reagan administration. Business is not lost on me, I've been in and around large family owned businesses all my life. However, I eventually came to the conclusion that I wanted to actually live my life and not work my life away.

crockett you are the devil in disguise. Not only are you probably a long-lost Koch brother, but you're probably Bush's second cousin and close friends with Cheney.

Damn you and your Republican deceptions...damn you to hell!

Well let's be real here.. The right wing of today would call Reagan a commie liberal. This is my problem with the right, it's been over run to the point the crazies are now the mainstream. While I didn't really like Reagan's policies, mainly how he handled the economy I didn't feel he was trying to ruin the country in spite of himself.

Today's Republicans are willing to destroy this country in spite of them selves,but they are just too stupid to understand it. While you guys worry about your tax rate, the lunatics the right vote into office are busy destroying this country. Creationism is now taught in Texas public schools. That should embarrass anyone with an iq over 80. The entire right wing war on science in General should be an embarrassment for anyone that calls themselves an American..

I think that the only reason that religious idiots are in the Republican Party is because the Party opened itself up to them when Reagan did his "Southern Strategy" in the 1980's.

I know that when I was growing up in the 1960's and 1970's it was the opposite. The South was solidly Democrat and the religious people were all Democrats in my family.

As far as fiscal conservative ideas that the Republicans are supposed to stand for...the religious faction doesn't really even consider that.

The Democrat Party of today is also a completely different animal than it was when I was growing up.
Back then...living in Florida, the Dems were the racists. And it turned out, ironically, that they were the ones who ushered in civil rights under LBJ and forever took the black vote.
But at the same time, unfortunately, LBJ escalated the Vietnam War to the point that LBJ refused to run for President for a second full term because of the violent anti-war protests going on in the country.

I remember when the Dems nominated George McGovern for President in 1972 and he lost in the biggest landslide in history to Nixon. The general population completely rejected him as too liberal.

I am embarrassed quite frankly that any of our leaders proclaim to be "Christians". When they say that, it means that they are straight faced telling all of us that they believe in fairy tales.

To teach "creationism" in schools IS ridiculous.

But then we have to look at our form of govt.
If the people themselves are so religiously fervent and demand that kind of stupidity...then what do we do?

We don't elect Kings. We elect REPRESENTATIVES of the people.

And unfortunately for us...most people seem to be not so bright. And they want the govt. to hand them "free" money, "free" healthcare, and believe in Jesus.

It's pretty sad.

The right does not think that the President is a good Commander in Chief...among other things... and in that...I agree with them.

Back when McCain was running against Obama I saw a story on the news where they were in Ohio interviewing people about who they planned to vote for. One of their interviews was a husband and wife who basically said they thought Obama was probably the better guy to fix the problems of the country and would likely be a better president. When the reporter then said, "So you will be voting for Obama?" They replied, "Oh, no. We can't vote for any candidate that is pro-choice."

To me that sums up the hardcore Christian right. They don't care what you say about the economy or many things, so long as you are pro-death penalty and anti-abortion.

heh-heh Every time I read that I crack up. "War on Women", "War on Science"...the media using those phrases and then wonder why the country is so divided. :1orglaugh

Let's face it...a majority of people in the U.S. have been indoctrinated since birth to believe in Jesus and Satan. It's crazy, but it's true.

That's why I also laugh when I hear about the Democrats "War on Christmas" and "War on the Catholic Church"

Maybe we should all stop referring to what crooked, career/lifetime politicians sitting on their thrones in Washington D.C. babble about as "War" on anything.

Especially when they are actually killing people worldwide with REAL war.

It sounds to me like those two were not part of the "Christian Right". But part of the "Christian Left".

That would include the Catholic Church, the Unions, etc.

Believe me...in the NorthEastern United States there are plenty of hardcore Catholics who are vehemently anti-abortion.
My belief is that they simply stay home at election time because of their beliefs.

Say for instance...a guy is in the AFL-CIO. He is told to vote Democrat. End of story. His dad voted that way, And his grandfather voted that way.

But his wife? She probably just won't vote at all. She can't vote Democrat because of her stupid religious beliefs (probably a Catholic) and she can't vote Republican because it would be against her own benefit because her husband is in the union.

Anyway, that's my theory about the "Christian Left". I'm guessing that those two people in Ohio may have been part of that group.

Oh, check it out...they have their own FaceBook page! lol
https://www.facebook.com/TheChristianLeft

Many voters...rightly or wrongly...are single issue voters. In a way I am a single issue voter...and it is the military/defense that can make or break my vote.

There was a time when I too was on board with the Republican Party but as I grew older and wiser it became evident to me that the problem isnt democrats nor is it republicans its is democrats AND republicans

I doubt I will live to see the day when this country again revolts but it is WAY past due...WAY past due

it is past time that the government of the people by the people and for the people was reclaimed by the people.

CO and WA made decent first steps but it has to go WAY beyond legalizing marijuana.

Speaking of the economic windfall from that has been huge watch for all the whore politicians...even the right wing ones to start changing their tunes on it....even the DEA is now asking the FDA to remove Marijuana from its schedule 1 status...

It's time we had a War on War

I think we will start seeing more things like the weed legalization. States will be fed up of the gridlocked federal government and they will start passing laws themselves and challenging the federal government on it. We see it to a degree with gay marriage and now legal pot, but I think this is just the start.

we have also seen it to a degree with gun laws....and I agree with you that the once race maligned issue of states rights is making a comeback as a concept...as it should

but with the bloat of the federal government particularly in taxation we have a long way to go to get that beast under control

There is of course a Christian Left and even left wing extremist, however they make up next to nothing in terms of the voting population so they are irrelevant. Meanwhile the radicals on the right have become the mainstream and have enough support in congress and at state level in many area's to get shit passed.

This is why the radicals on the right are a threat to this country. The radicals on the left have next to no support, so it's the same as saying the Pirate party would ever get anything done.

I mean really the most liberal people in congress is Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren and Warren has done a great deal to go after the banking industry which anyone should support. Sanders has not really pushed much on the federal level, but he's done a lot for the state of VT (exactly as a senator should do).

So when you compare the most Liberal among the Democrats vs the most Conservative among the Republicans, it's like night and day difference in which ones are trying to better their states and or the country vs destroy it.

The rest of your post was just left wing bias. But the part I quoted is exactly what I said.

The "Christian Left" in the Northeastern states just don't vote.

They would need a third party candidate to vote for. One that was socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Right now the Dems and Republicans have a stranglehold with the 2 party system and make it almost impossible for any other party to seriously field a candidate.

So the "Christian Left" are "left" out in the cold. :(

Of course, in my PERSONAL opinion....they and the "Christian Right" should all have their fucking heads examined for believing in myths. But I can't cure stupid.

The problem with 3rd & 4th parties is they tend to be more extreme rather than centralist. One could argue that the Tea Party is a 3rd party, but much like the Libertarian party they cling to the Republican party for the funding.

Like it or not both the Tea & Libertarian parties are at the far end of their fringes neither try to appeal to the center more moderate minded the Tea Party is just the re-branded Christian Right and the Libertarian party thinks we should isolate ourselves from the rest of the world and do away with 90% of the govt.

Adding yet another party for some far off left wing Christians is the last thing we need. Might as well add a Black Party, A Hispanic Party, a Workers party, ect..ect.. but of course no White party because that would be racist, but that's what it would become.

Like it or not as screwed up as a 2 system party is, it also saves us from a lot more crazies working their way into power. The biggest things that need to happen, is moderate Republicans need to take back their party and lobbying needs to be outlawed and call what it is bribery.

People need to be given more say in the govt, not just what ever big business happens to want.

I'm pretty sure the REAL Libertarian Party doesn't "cling" to the Republicans for anything.
The Republican Party HATE the Libertarians in case you only watch MSNBC and didn't know that.

The Dems are scared to death of Libertarians because they know that the Libertarians are far more socially liberal than they will ever be.

And "like it or not" the Tea Party and Libertarian parties are not even close to being similar.

You truly do try to just say stuff and make it so don't you? lol

And by the way...if you think the 2 party system is so great because they aren't what YOU call "extreme"...then I suppose you are totally happy with what they've done to our country and the debt we are in?

You are so biased it's hysterical to watch you try and brand people who don't agree with YOUR way of thinking.
Yes, Libertarians believe we shouldn't be invading other countries. But they DON'T believe in putting up walls around our country.

And yet, you have been brainwashed into believing that the 2 parties that have fucked this country up beyond belief, that want to build a wall around our country, and have bombed and killed people and made the majority of the world HATE OUR GUTS...those parties are somehow the non-extreme ones who aren't isolationists?

Dude, please wake the fuck up. The Democrats and Republicans have run this country TOGETHER for decades now. The only reason we are not isolated from the rest of the world is because we are bullies with our military. Otherwise...no country on Earth wants anything to do with us.

And that is the fault of the federal govt.

How can you sit here and see what the 2 party system has done to this country and NOT want to go another direction with other ideas and parties that are not corrupted?

Who would have ever thought that it would be this easy to lead people around like sheep?

I didn't say the Tea party & the Libertarian party were the same. I said they were both at the far end of the spectrum and not anywhere near the middle. Both have ideas that are far outside the norm.

As far as you saying no other countries want anything to do with us. Well that's just stupid Robbie. We are the world's only super power and we have the world's largest economy. Not to mention the US dollar is the world's defacto currency.

While I do agree we often use our military more than we should and we butt our heads in places we shouldn't far too often, but we still have the biggest economy in the world and no other country not even China can compare. China will never over take the US. They are cheap labor, while the US is the doers. The US leads the world in innovation and that is something no other country can match. We are top dog for far more reasons than our Military.

Some countries my not like us, but it's like shopping at Walmart. You can be all high and mighty and try to avoid it, but end of the day it's pretty fucking convenient.

No they don't.

Libertarians believe in what the Founding Fathers envisioned for our country in terms of personal freedom.

The Tea Party is founded on less taxes.

What the fuck man? There is nothing "far outside the norm" about either concept.

I find it far more "out of the norm" to WANT to bomb and invade other countries and WANT to be the RULERS of the people instead of serving them and WANT to spy on everybody and everything. What is "normal" about that?
And yet THAT is what the 2 parties have been doing for a hundred years.

you can argue as much as you want - the way your system is set up, you will be stuck with the 2 big parties forever

and both will not be helping to change that

^^^ All of this.

Exactly. They keep making election laws that keep any other candidates from having any shot at all.

They don't even allow other candidates in the Presidential debates. :(

i saw the debate with all the other candidates on RT - there were a couple of real weirdos among them though - including Roseanne Barr

but as long as in the elections the candidate with 1 vote more than his opponents gets all the electoral delegates of a state, there will be NEVER the chance of any 3rd party or independent candidate achieving anything

in other countries, parties are forced into coalitions, sometimes even with their direct opponents. Also not always the best solution but at least a lot more democratic

I saw the one hosted by Larry King online. It was pretty interesting.

The main problem is that most people don't even KNOW there are other candidates. The media doesn't give them much coverage, and when they do...they ridicule them.

You don't seem to know this country's history very well. In 1850s less than 100 years after this country was created, we forced Japan to trade with by sending gun boats to their ports. We took half of this country from Mexico by force..

Why you washed out of the easiest industry in the world but still pretend to be in it on nights and weekends all becomes clear now

That's still not the ideals set forth by the founding fathers.

And using the logic of "Oh they did bad shit then...so it must be okay to do it now too" is bullshit.

Wrong is wrong.

http://www.inc.com/uploaded_files/im...-402_20894.jpg


I said Obama inherited the problem from Bush. Your statement above nor the rest of the post it comes from addresses nothing about what I said.


Obama isn't a ruler, and he has signed less executive actions than almost any other president.

True, but if there's any proof to the contrary, it should be posted or linked to so we can continue the discussion.


There are so many inaccuracies in this and other links you posted. Try reading some articles without such a right-wing slant and see what you come up with.

Once again you are wrong Mark. Wrong,Wrong,Wrong!

At least thats not how they see themselves.
Valerie Jarret on NBC's Meet the Press-you know, that Right Wing Media.

Abortion

Republicans are generally opposed to abortion unless of course it is one's own daughter that got knocked up, in which case the decent thing to do is to ship her off to some distant city where private but expensive medical care can be provided and the local community is spared the details.

Animals

Republicans believe that wild animals were put here for the sport of hunting, provide a little expensive but gamy and tough meat, and an occasional fur coat for the missus.

Both think that domestic animals and the raising thereof need massive government support. This often results in an excess of such animals, which are then killed, burnt or buried instead of being shipped off to starving humanity around the world because to do so might upset the local economy.

Capital Punishment

The Republican's position on this issue is clear and is based upon the Judeo/Christian bible: an eye for an eye. That we are not always completely sure that we have the right dude before we send him on his way to St. Peter is not really all that serious of an issue. "God will sort it out" is their most commonly stated rationale for slaughtering a group of people that from their very looks it is obvious that they are guilty -- of something. Actually God really only gave us a hint as to the real possibilities: how about a lopped head for a mashed finger, for instance? That certainly should work even better. I understand that there are now over 50 offenses for which you can be given a quick dispatch to meet your maker.

The Children!

Republicans love individual children but find supporting the class of children as not part of God's plan (see Jeremiah 18:21: "So give their children over to famine; hand them over to the power of the sword.")

Crime

Republicans believe that every person inherently knows right from wrong, whether they were raised by harlot on the mean streets of East St. Louis or by a wealthy Episcopal minister in the ritzy 'burbs of Germantown. They know that the solution to violent crime is to beat the hell out of the perpetrators.

Drugs

Recreational drugs are absolutely verboten according to the Republicans. It is rumored that many folks actually have great fun with such drugs, therefore they are opposed, of course, as it is a basic principle of Conservatism that having too much fun is bad for the character.

On the other hand, Republicans would allow you to prescribe and buy medicinal drugs without constraint as the drug industry is quite profitable. If you use the wrong drug or a bit too much, then the subsequent repairs to your body will again raise the national income just a bit.

Republicans support the consumption of vast quantities of alcohol even though it kills more people by a factor of ten than all the "illegal" drugs combined. This makes sense because while it may get you high and out of control, technically it is not a "controlled substance".

The Drug War

Strangely, while Republicans oppose the use of recreational drugs and Democrats are much more tolerant, they both support, with great enthusiasm, the so-called War on Drugs (WOD). That is because the WOD has little to do with drugs but is big business with large profits and incentives as well as an expression of political agendas and control.

Making a distinction between Republicans and Democrats with regard to the WOD is difficult for several reasons that are fundamental to what government is all about. I list a few:

The Republicans love the WOD because it allows us to build up the military, throw a lot of people in jail that don't come around to the prescribed religious/moral values, and is very profitable.

Education

Republicans support private education but do not see any reason why the institutions shouldn't be government funded. They particularly like the idea of religious or military schools that are better equipped to teach a state of perpetual obedience.

Environment

Republicans were a little late in appreciating the merits of environmentalism and have therefore had to live with some bad press. However, someone finally showed them how much money could be made by simply declaring Freon 12 as the main cause of Global Warming from which billions were made developing and selling a new coolant. This brought them around and now they frantically trying to find the next common household product to ban -- like toilets that use too much water.

Government Spending

Republicans, in their hearts, and especially at campaign time, really would like to cut back on government spending -- especially such luxuries as the social, environmental, and health programs. But there are necessities that it would be irresponsible to avoid. Such things as National Defense, which requires a military budget far greater than any we have had in any major war, can no more be cut back than you can cut back on helping the folks back home that need a superhighway to the new park out in the country. These are essential expenditures unlike the "feel good" stuff of the Democrats. When Iraq threatens our shores by such hostile actions as flying one of their planes over the southern half of their country, we better be ready for action.

Individual Liberty

Republicans would like to give people lots of freedom especially those that are economically active such the officers of large corporations and farmers. However, some aspects of human nature just cannot go unpunished. There must be law and order. Violence must be stopped if we have to kill every one of the sorry bastards. Republicans feel that they have the monstrous responsibility of enforcing God's word. It is not a matter of public vote. People who have unapproved sex, get high on anything (including testosterone) except approved drugs such as alcohol, cigarettes, and caffeine, don't regularly go to an approved church, allow their kids to kiss before they get married, and talk smart to policemen that are dutifully beating the hell out of them, must receive appropriate punishment.

Military

Republicans also love the military for its capacity to absorb unbelievably large quantities of money. Even more they appreciate the importance of importing American Justice to sometimes unreceptive countries by means of our military.

Privacy

Republicans see no particular reason why you would want privacy. What's the matter: You got something to hide? If you are not doing anything criminal, then privacy should not be a concern, according to them. Too much privacy is a real hindrance to getting every one in jail that ought to be there.

Private Property

Republicans, on the other hand, definately believe in the right to private property as clearly enunciated by our Founding Fathers. But there is one small catch: The Bible is older than the Constition and trumps it. The bible points out very clearly, "When an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox must be stoned; the flesh may not be eaten. The owner of the ox, however, shall go unpunished", Exodus 21:28. That means that if your house or your car or your bank account is in any remote way associated with a crime, then it must be "stoned to death". The modern translation of "stoned to death" is "given to the government".

Surprizingly, an amazing amount of property is in someway related to a crime. For example, let us say that some pot dealer is driving down the street and decides to turn his car around using your driveway. It is obvious that your property has now aided in a crime for if it had not been there, the druggie's auto would have fallen into a bottomless pit. Case closed.

Racial Issues

Republicans have always been fond of the people of color as they have been very well behaved house servants every since Lincoln freed them from slavery. Classes should not be allowed to mix as an inferior offspring will result. Some claim that hybrids in the animal world are usually superior to their parents but this is easily answered as humans obviously are not animals!

Religion

Republicans are in full support of religion and see it as every citizen's duty -- as long as it is "main line". The definition of "main line" is left up to the politicians, of course.

Sex

Republicans know that the purpose of sex is for procreation and not pleasure. If you must have pleasurable sex, which by definition would be outside of the marriage, then for God's sake have the decency to lie about it!

Smoking

Republicans think smoking is fine as long as it provides the opportunity to ship large quantities of money to the subsidized tobacco farmers and producers. Of course the smoking of any "controlled substance" is not permitted even if tobacco kills far more people. Because, it is the law, you idiot. Republicans are for law and order. Lots of both.

War and other "World Cop" Activities

Republicans, on the other hand, have no hesitation in bombing any recalcitrant country (those that refuse to accept aid in return for submission to U.S. control) "back to the stone age", unless, of course, the Democrats are in power. In that case, they are opposed to such acts because Democrats rarely have a decent "exit strategy". ("Exit Strategy" is a term often used in discussions of sexual activity. It is sort of the opposite to "foreplay".)

Wealth

Republicans believe that hard work and the economic "invisible hand" will make sure that anyone who deserves it gets it or the reverse as the case may be. By definition, if you are broke and living off the street, you deserve it.

Where did you copy and paste that drivel from?