You obviously haven't been looking
you're an idiot
most of the idiots
wouldn't comprehend
type them out again, more slowly
assist in your comprehension

and you wonder why we think you're a dumb fucking ingrate? is this how Jesus would talk with people Donny?? you wanna talk long deep shit... start walking the long deep shit asshole :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's easy to tell when a person hasn't done much Bible study. Do you think Jesus was some gentle man who was nice to everyone? He flipped tables, whipped people to get them out of the temple, and often let his disciples know when he thought they were being idiots. Read more of the source materials, Brian, rather than some summary by your favorite obscure author.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

nicely said :1orglaugh

There is going to be a lot of pissed off religious folks when their time comes. Bunch of fucking sheep.

Hey Grapesoda,

MaDalton's appreciation of juvenile humor kinda makes my point about the intellectual capacity of most of the board's readers, eh? "Nicely said"? If one and one's peers have the maturity level of the average third grader, perhaps.

But this does relate in a way to the discussion at hand: most male consumers of porn don't do much thinking, but instead react to instinct and emotions. The good news is that they simply haven't considered the bigger picture. Once they're given some data to consider, such as the info I and others present at our talks, many decide they can do without porn.

I'm not out attacking pornographers when I speak. In fact, things I've written and speeches I've given demonstrate that I am very much annoyed at those who try to go after any person in the adult biz. I'm out to educate consumers and change hearts about what porn really is. Progress is being made to reduce the demand using the same methods that made cigarettes less popular: by making it "uncool" to consume. Porn will never go away, but this approach is definitely growing in support.

nice useless posts, lunatic.

Doesn't have anything to do with the point i was making though.

What's your stance on prostitution? It exists for 4000 years, and probably even before that. It's very likely Jesus Christ banged whores as well.

On a side note, it's funny to see a creepy religious nut grasping for science to prove a point. Why not quote the good book, the foundation of your 180? The same book your poor audience believes, where the earth is 6000 years old. And a human being walks on water. And is dead for 3 days. Things that are scientifically completely impossible.

You are making yourself look more and more ridiculous with every word. Faker.

Funny thing is that the "juvenile" humour makes probably much more sense and is much more in touch with an actual reality than any of these mind hurting tyriads of pseudo "studies" and pseudo intellectual "assumptions" and "formulations" that really make one wonder if the person spewing it really is SO delusional as to take himself seriously.

I really don't believe it's the case, if it's the case - then I'm really, really sorry, very sorry - only god can help here!

Donny, why is there so much sexual abuse in the church against minors and why is it covered up all the time? Why does the church try to sweep it under the rug? If anyone is deviants its the Catholic church.

a good attempt! you just need to make sense and have a relevant point in order for it to be funny.

see, you think this is some sort of official debate that comes wiht all sorts of officialdom.

Instead, you're posting random studies that support what you believe.

i, myself, could post random studies that not only support what i believe, but refute your beliefs!

BUT, you could just go ahead and tell us all how much MORE mindy made for you!

do you use that in your lecture.. 'i made this much off mindy shooting porn.. i made THIS much off mindy talking to you right now!'

inquiring minds.. romeo..

So much? ANY is horrible, of course, but the facts are that priests abuse at a FAR less percentage than males in the general population. Don't believe me? Google something like "percentage of priests who abuse" or something similar. You'll see evidence all over the internet that says exactly what I just said.

In other words, those of faith actually DO abuse at a lesser percentage than those without faith. It obviously cannot be stated that abuse doesn't exist at all. Anywhere humans exist, horrible things will happen. That seems to be the nature of humanity, faith or not.

I don't expect you to have read each post, but do want to point out I've already addressed this here:

How much money do you think I make from speaking? I don't support myself through speaking. I support myself with a business I started in December 2006 - Internet marketing, and website management and related consulting services for auto dealers. Almost all of what I am given for speaking honorariums is given away to single moms and/or their kids. Again, this has been addressed. Mindy hasn't made a dime for me, but does happen to be one of the single moms to which I've given money from speaking honorariums.

Like I said (in my earlier post that has gone ignored), Donny is speaking rather than listening. Anyone can find a host of articles, peer reviewed or otherwise, that supports their opinion on the matter, all you need do is to input the right keywords in your searches.

Why here's one now...

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articl...-Good-for-us-/

• Over the years, many scientists have investigated the link between pornography (considered legal under the First Amendment in the United States unless judged ?obscene?) and sex crimes and attitudes towards women. And in every region investigated, researchers have found that as pornography has increased in availability, sex crimes have either decreased or not increased.
  
• No correlation has been found between exposure to porn and negative attitudes towards women.
  
• To examine the effect this widespread use of porn may be having on society, researchers have often exposed people to porn and measured some variable such as changes in attitude or predicted hypothetical behaviors, interviewed sex offenders about their experience with pornography, and interviewed victims of sex abuse to evaluate if pornography was involved in the assault. Surprisingly few studies have linked the availability of porn in any society with antisocial behaviors or sex crimes. Among those studies none have found a causal relationship and very few have even found one positive correlation.
• Despite the widespread and increasing availability of sexually explicit materials, according to national FBI Department of Justice statistics, the incidence of rape declined markedly from 1975 to 1995. This was particularly seen in the age categories 20?24 and 25?34, the people most likely to use the Internet. The best known of these national studies are those of Berl Kutchinsky, who studied Denmark, Sweden, West Germany, and the United States in the 1970s and 1980s. He showed that for the years from approximately 1964 to 1984, as the amount of pornography increasingly became available, the rate of rapes in these countries either decreased or remained relatively level. Later research has shown parallel findings in every other country examined, including Japan, Croatia, China, Poland, Finland, and the Czech Republic. In the United States there has been a consistent decline in rape over the last 2 decades, and in those countries that allowed for the possession of child pornography, child sex abuse has declined. Significantly, no community in the United States has ever voted to ban adult access to sexually explicit material. The only feature of a community standard that holds is an intolerance for materials in which minors are involved as participants or consumers.
• In terms of the use of pornography by sex offenders, the police sometimes suggest that a high percentage of sex offenders are found to have used pornography. This is meaningless, since most men have at some time used pornography. Looking closer, Michael Goldstein and Harold Kant found that rapists were more likely than nonrapists in the prison population to have been punished for looking at pornography while a youngster, while other research has shown that incarcerated nonrapists had seen more pornography, and seen it at an earlier age, than rapists. What does correlate highly with sex offense is a strict, repressive religious upbringing. Richard Green too has reported that both rapists and child molesters use less pornography than a control group of ?normal? males.
• Now let?s look at attitudes towards women. Studies of men who had seen X-rated movies found that they were significantly more tolerant and accepting of women than those men who didn?t see those movies, and studies by other investigators?female as well as male?essentially found similarly that there was no detectable relationship between the amount of exposure to pornography and any measure of misogynist attitudes. No researcher or critic has found the opposite, that exposure to pornography?by any definition?has had a cause-and-effect relationship towards ill feelings or actions against women. No correlation has even been found between exposure to porn and calloused attitudes toward women.

Here's another one: http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/2...ously-thought/

And another: http://www.lehmiller.com/blog/2012/3...ove-lives.html

You won't read them of course, but the conflicting expert opinions and data are there, and that's not even scratching the surface of the number of links that just ONE google search turned up.

Keep talking Donny. Never listen. We're all just heathens here, right? Oh who am I kidding, you'll ignore this post like you conveniently flew by my earlier one. Good luck winning your debate.

well, we'll just have to take your word for it :)

I shall search that when I am not on my mobile. So why the cover up by the church. All these animals and there are ALOT why are they protected by the pope and church.

I have a daughter and she will never see the inside of a church because of you sadistic mind warping animals. You and your religion are disgusting.

mindy sounds like an unstable case - been taken advantage of by creepy donny. Im sure she always dreamt of being double teamed by two fat bald guys (no offense aaron).

Now she wants the same guy, a creepy, unstable, born again lunatic, who took advantage of her poor choices, to take care of her kids. She sure sounds like a person who makes all the right choices in life. You are still taking advantage of her to this day. She needs to be saved from you.

You don't need to read the Bible to know that, it's a fucking internet meme! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

http://www.letmefeelgood.com/wp-cont...d-Jesus-do.jpg

Go to Google Scholar. ( http://scholar.google.com/ ) type in pornography or pornography studies. Hit enter. By the way, click this link, and if the results you get are the same as those showing on my screen right now, you'll see that what you quoted is refuted in just the first study. But, yes, I realize YOU will do exactly what you accuse me of doing: ignoring what you find or justifying it somehow by saying, "Yeah, but, this one says otherwise..."

Start your own research. Just do it.

Earlier this year, I wrote three research papers on the topic. I've seen both sides. The evidence that says porn harms FAR OUTWEIGHS any evidence to the contrary. Also, study how it impacts the brain. Note that in the studies I summarized for you above (which are only a few out of more than 80 that I used when writing my research papers), it was not a bunch of religious groups doing the research: it was doctors and scientists.

I didn't ignore your first post. The things I posted after it addressed much of it, even if I didn't single you out by writing your name into my comments.

To be consistent, you won't be taking her to the hospitals started by the church, either, right? And you'll prohibit her from ever benefiting from any church-founded charity, right? You realize that most hospitals and an overwhelming amount of charities have religious roots, right? And that an overwhelming percentage of Ivy League schools were started by religious groups? You knew that, didn't you? I guess your daughter won't be going to Yale or the like.

Again, where there are people, bad things will happen. That sucks.

Fact is, the Catholic church - not even counting any of the 40,000 other Protestant Christian denominations or the billions of people who follow other religions - is the single largest charity in the entire world.

The cover-up by the church goes back to confession and the nature of things that are revealed in the confessional, which is not something I expect you to comprehend, and which I will not get into due to that lack of comprehension. I definitely understand why it is so disappointing, however.

I do appreciate some third graders humor from time to time, life is too short to be miserable all the time

besides that I haven't figured out yet whether you turned even more evil than us pornographers by doing a Steve Martin impression to take money from unsuspecting christians or if you really found "god" - which is usually at this stage in life a sign of serious mental health problems

either way - i wish you good luck - the earliest documented porn is like 7,000 years old and i am pretty sure it will survive you too

dammit - i forgot - for you the world is only 6,000 years old and the humans were making out with dinosaurs - or something along those lines...

"Start your own research"

See Donny? My point exactly. You presume I haven't done so. You respond with the assumption that everyone knows far less about the subject than you do. It's condescending like few other things are Donny. You forget, I'm the one who years prior to this was on here posting certain opinions about faith, evolution, Genesis, etc, opinions that you yourself adopted as your own. (back then you were much more open to listening, unlike now).

Such presumtion is part of your problem and what makes you appear as smug and, well, there's no other way to say it... a big fucking know-it-all, and those are triats that most people simply do not care for.

The fact is I've done plenty of study, on this, on faith, Christianity, as well as a long history of bible study. Unlike some I did not have a strict religious upbringing, I sought the knowlege on my own. And I've had many years longer than you to gather it.

The articles I quoted, and dozens upon dozens of others that I didn't, are all written by experts, doctors, professors, etc too. They refute everything you've posted. I don't suppose you included any of THEM in your research material while writing your papers, you know, for balance? Your overconfidence that you've got it all figured out tells me you didn't.

"I wrote three papers" --- if there wasn't a balance of information that supports both sides of the issue considered then how can an informed opinion be made? Without an informed opinion you could write a hundred papers and they wouldn't be worth the paper they're printed on.

Look, I get it, you're trying to help certain people. I can see that, but I can also see there is a better way than simply taking the easy path of blaming it on porn. You really want to help people? Try getting them to take responsibility for their own obsessions, lack of control in indulging their urges, and their own actions. Because like I said, porn isn't going anywhere. It's legal and protected under the 1st amendment in your country.

And I've read all that you've posted here Donny, and no, it hasn't dealt with most of the points I raised in my first long post. Perhaps you need to start your own research and reread it again? Seriously, I'd like to think there's hope for you Donny. But once you found your "preach" you seem to have lost the will or ability to listen. I'm sensing ego there, and it's replaced teachablity (which it often does, so don't feel bad, you're in huge company).

Knowledge is power Donny. Don't ever stop learning, but also don't let a biased agenda cloud perspective. The answers are out there for you, but they may not all be where you think they are.

stop giving this guy the attention he so desperately craves.

there are hundreds of studies about how prescription drugs harm the brain...how many are you on? what about the effects of the nitrates in all the hot dogs you eat? religion is a disease. one i hope will be wiped from the earth one day.

before is start ignoring you, i will just point out this very obvious fact, that all the 'good' done by the various religious organizations was not done out of the goodness of their heart. sure, some might of believed that but it was done to indoctrinate people. you want our help? believe in our god and donate to his good will. how very kind. they still do this in africa and other hellholes. want clean water? worship our god.

Lots of things are bad. Here, we're discussing porn.

By the way: prescription drugs? Zero.

Try thinking from the perspective of others. WHY did they want people to convert? Don't think from your angle. Pretend you're a missionary endangering your life to carry a message to people who might kill you. Why do you do that?

By the way, medical care didn't require conversion.

gosh you're such a superior human I'm just flabbergasted... :thumbsup :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

here I fixed it for ya...

I I I I I I me me me me me me ... blah blah blah blah this is the real truth of the situation.. it's cumwads like you giving G_D a bad name :2 cents:

http://majikthise.typepad.com/photos.../picture_1.png

:) :) :) :)

Only to those who allow such things, which means something is being missed on their part.

Example: BMB starts a new philosophy. BMB is a great man and his philosophy is embraced by billions. One of those who embrace his philosophy is a major idiot named Donny.

Because Donny embraces BMB's philosophy, does that in any way diminish the awesomeness of either BMB or his philosophy?

Of course not.

Nobody has the power to give God a bad name. Which means, by the way, that rejecting God because you don't like the people who claim to follow Him is not a valid reason to do so.

god does only "exist" because some people believe he does.

outside of those people, there is no god

Douglas Adams said it best

That is a real shame. The inside of churches are beautiful

wow... that's the most arrogant things I've ever read

that is an opinion Ma. I happen to disagree however I support your decision not to believe

expect a meltdown or a scandal in the near future for Donny. This guy is completely lost.

If you lean back and squint at the pixelated face she starts looking like someone familiar.