dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

it is....

Ukrainians go to Dutch embassy in Kiev to show their support
lighting candles for those who dead

follow the news on rusia vs Ukraine conflict at http://inforesist.org/en/

Today's photo from Snizhne with Buk

http://img.pravda.com/images/doc/6/4...07-17-at-8.png

terrors discussing circumstances of shot jet
http://img.pravda.com/images/doc/e/d...06677682-n.jpg

Terrors are happy about "successful" operation. Terror's commander Girkin (rusian citizen, former KGB agent)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsw3_boIYAAVFSW.jpg

Very fucked up situation. And i fear what happens next...

Means you are in doubt that Russia is able to... Otay.

The assumption would be that rebels had a mistaken ID thinking it was a military transport or something. Keep in mind there is likely a pretty big mix of average joes and actual trained soldiers. It's a situation where mistakes like this can easily happen.

Why the area wasn't a no fly zone for passenger jets is lost on me given the on going conflict.

What MrDeiz fail to understand is, that those he claim are "Russian terrorists" is in fact just Ukranie people, that dont share MrDeiz politicial point of view.

That is the cold hard facts

MrDeiz is a separatist

9 mile wide debris field sure seems like it exploded in the air. Now for confirmation of a missile launch in the area at the right time and it's hard to consider it anything else.

No, he is a opportunistic keyboard-warrior, with a shady history

he is gonna cookify you !

Ukraine has a bad ass military.

Blame Ukraine Government forces for this.

How many times are they using fighter jets to fire missiles from the air ?

Around 50+

So rebels going to wait and watch until they will get bombed ? No, they going to shoot anything that fly's.

If you going to play with the fire you will get burned. :2 cents:

Ok, so you agree they are rebels and they shot this plane down.


Wait, are you trying to excuse it and redirect the blame?


Like you just did with your mastery of English grammar and composition.

So in your strange world, it's Ukraine's fault that they decided to try and stop a bunch of armed separatists from taking over part of their country. This also means any dumb things the separatist do, like shooting down civilian airliners is also Ukraine's fault?

I hate to break it to you, but if it indeed turns out to be shot down at the hands of Russian separatists it will be the opening door for the West to hammer Russia with sanctions and assist Ukraine on the ground. If it turns out to have been shot down by the separatist there is absolutely nothing good coming out of it for Russia.

First its on Ukraine land right . Second there should be no fly zone. Yes its dumb thing to for separatist do, how they fuck they shoot something from 8km-10km high ? It could be figher jet ? who knows ? Once you get black box from the plane things will be cleared.

Every body will point fingers from now. Once you get evidence or facts then we will know. who is responsible for it.

if any good can come out of this, then that Putin realizes with what a bunch of crooks he's dealing there, changes his mind and withdraws all support...

Most accurate comment in this thread

http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malay...F2aW5jYWN3dyJ9

Pro-Russian Rebel Commander: 'We Did Warn You ? Do Not Fly in Our Sky'

Buk used by ruskie terrors to shot Boeing leaves the spot



pic of fired missile by terrors

http://storage1.censor.net.ua/images...8c/526x347.jpg

audio interception between ruskie terrors about shot jet
FOR THOSE SAYING IT'S UKRAINIANS FIGHTING AGAINST UKRAINIANS: TERRORS ARE CONFIRMED RUSKIE CITIZENS, FORMER KGB AGENTS AND MILITARIES WHICH HAVE SUPPORT OF SOME LOCALS. Donbas has always been depressed region, like some Detroit districts in the US. terrors are commanded by rusian citizens which get weapons and commands from rusian KGB/FSB and militaries

That's pretty much the smoking gun right there.. He claimed they shot it down thinking it was a transport plane, then deleted it after it was found out to be a airliner..

Russia is fucked with this one..

They reportedly used a Russian BUK

http://www.enemyforces.net/missiles/buk.jpg

Ondertussen bij de Nederlandse ambassade in Kiev pic.twitter.com/aB0L9nrdBZ
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxDoZhCEAA9rh6.jpg

UN SECURITY COUNCIL may meet: Great Britain has requested an emergency session b/c of the plane crash. (per @RichardRothCNN)

#kyiv #ukraine condolence to #MH17 passangers shot down by proKremlin #donbas separatist or even RUmilitary pic.twitter.com/J7kRRuGIh7
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxHwefCIAAq_gC.jpg

people silently bring flowers and leave
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxHvwoIcAAZeCE.jpg

how the fuck you know who shot it down

Perhaps you should have read the entire thread.

Poor plane was flying over Ukraine minding its own business and got so many cookies stuffed in it that it ended up overloaded and fell out of the sky :(

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukra...pt-356545.html

Igor Bezler: We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).

Vasili Geranin: Pilots. Where are the pilots?

IB: Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.

VG: How many minutes ago?

IB: About 30 minutes ago.

SBU comment: After examining the site of the plane the terrorists come to the conclusion that they have shot down a civilian plane. The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later.

“Major”: These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.

“Grek”: Yes, Major.

"Major": The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. The first “200” (code word for dead person). We have found the first “200”. A Civilian.

“Greek”: Well, what do you have there?

“Major”: In short, it was 100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.

“Greek”: Are many people there?

“Major”: Holy sh__t! The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).

“Greek”: What kind of aircraft?

“Major”: I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main sight. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.

“Greek”: Is there anything left of the weapon?

“Major”: Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.

“Greek”: Are there documents?

“Major”: Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.

Militant: Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snizhne-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabove. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s written Malaysia Airlines on the plane. What was it doing on Ukraine’s territory?

Nikolay Kozitsin: That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be f…cking flying. There is a war going on.

St. John's, Antigua

Was it easy to relocate?

Visa not required :winkwink:

It could be also

at dutch embassy in Kyiv. anyone got pics from Moscow?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxuLDYCUAASOO6.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_(missile)

"Effective firing range

up to 6 km"

so if it flights at 30000 ft it's not possible.

WTF no updates for 2 weeks?

pics from Boeing 777 crash
http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_or.../5/3638531.png


Boeing 777 engine

http://www.dailytechinfo.org/uploads...130425_2_1.jpg

And the length of stay then?
Any schemes to stay year around?

Did rebels also had second part/component of system?

The Buk missile system

1.The acquisition radar component (several variants have differing capabilities) allows the system to identify, track and target selected targets.

2.The command component is intended to discern "friendly" military aircraft from foes (IFF), prioritize multiple targets, and pass radar targeting information to the missile launchers.

3.The missile launcher component can carry a variety of missiles (as listed below) and may be able to engage more than one target simultaneously.

4.The logistics component carries additional (reload) missiles and provides other supplies and parts for the system and the operators.

any news from black boxes?

why they do not public anything from black boxes? where are audio records?

where are proofs that rebels or russians did this?
where are satellite photos from usa?

on the news today..

i believe everyone on the ground is busy fighting to get control of the area that there is supposed to be a ceasefire in

I have read today that international investigation commission had to delay their visit on site because of heavy fire in that area. Ukrainian government troops trying to take control over this area.

ahh, no ceasefire.

"We declare that we will guarantee the safety of international experts on the scene as soon as Kiev concludes a ceasefire agreement," Andrei Purgin, deputy premier of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, said in a statement. He urged Kiev to "immediately conclude such an agreement" with the rebels.

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