this is like from some post apocalyptic zombie movie ... :2 cents: :Oh crap

We need certainties not evidences, that's why we know this is russia :p

Local citizens comment on crashed plane on territory controlled by terrors: "... so Buk was riding today for good purpose". they didn't know it's passenger's jet

another twitter message made 5h ago by locals saying there's Buk in Torez

http://img.pravda.com/images/doc/4/7...07-17-at-7.png

This looks like a good excuse for external interference.

ruskie terrors are cleaning their twitter
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...48037629018112

that's a phot with Buk, saying it's under terrors' control

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BrTXhwXCQAA6Luc.jpg

so many experts on debris scatter and weapon capabilities of various military/terrorist factions.

I don't think they need to "clean" it.
Anyway this looks like the beginning of the american civil war: this is a war zone, not a place to drink russian tea.

That still doesn't leave any indication as of why would anyone involved want to commit an act of terrorism (probably the first during the conflict that could be classiffied as such under the international law, although the so called "anti terrorist" operation is going on for several weeks already).

This can be now greatly exploited by the pro-Kiev propaganda no matter what the cause of the crash was.

WTF? He already posted the quote (above your post) where terrorists admitted shooting it down, they assumed it was Ukrainian military plane.

dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

it is....

Ukrainians go to Dutch embassy in Kiev to show their support
lighting candles for those who dead

follow the news on rusia vs Ukraine conflict at http://inforesist.org/en/

Today's photo from Snizhne with Buk

http://img.pravda.com/images/doc/6/4...07-17-at-8.png

terrors discussing circumstances of shot jet
http://img.pravda.com/images/doc/e/d...06677682-n.jpg

Terrors are happy about "successful" operation. Terror's commander Girkin (rusian citizen, former KGB agent)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsw3_boIYAAVFSW.jpg

Very fucked up situation. And i fear what happens next...

Means you are in doubt that Russia is able to... Otay.

The assumption would be that rebels had a mistaken ID thinking it was a military transport or something. Keep in mind there is likely a pretty big mix of average joes and actual trained soldiers. It's a situation where mistakes like this can easily happen.

Why the area wasn't a no fly zone for passenger jets is lost on me given the on going conflict.

What MrDeiz fail to understand is, that those he claim are "Russian terrorists" is in fact just Ukranie people, that dont share MrDeiz politicial point of view.

That is the cold hard facts

MrDeiz is a separatist

9 mile wide debris field sure seems like it exploded in the air. Now for confirmation of a missile launch in the area at the right time and it's hard to consider it anything else.

No, he is a opportunistic keyboard-warrior, with a shady history

he is gonna cookify you !

Ukraine has a bad ass military.

Blame Ukraine Government forces for this.

How many times are they using fighter jets to fire missiles from the air ?

Around 50+

So rebels going to wait and watch until they will get bombed ? No, they going to shoot anything that fly's.

If you going to play with the fire you will get burned. :2 cents:

Ok, so you agree they are rebels and they shot this plane down.


Wait, are you trying to excuse it and redirect the blame?


Like you just did with your mastery of English grammar and composition.

So in your strange world, it's Ukraine's fault that they decided to try and stop a bunch of armed separatists from taking over part of their country. This also means any dumb things the separatist do, like shooting down civilian airliners is also Ukraine's fault?

I hate to break it to you, but if it indeed turns out to be shot down at the hands of Russian separatists it will be the opening door for the West to hammer Russia with sanctions and assist Ukraine on the ground. If it turns out to have been shot down by the separatist there is absolutely nothing good coming out of it for Russia.

First its on Ukraine land right . Second there should be no fly zone. Yes its dumb thing to for separatist do, how they fuck they shoot something from 8km-10km high ? It could be figher jet ? who knows ? Once you get black box from the plane things will be cleared.

Every body will point fingers from now. Once you get evidence or facts then we will know. who is responsible for it.

if any good can come out of this, then that Putin realizes with what a bunch of crooks he's dealing there, changes his mind and withdraws all support...

Most accurate comment in this thread

http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malay...F2aW5jYWN3dyJ9

Pro-Russian Rebel Commander: 'We Did Warn You ? Do Not Fly in Our Sky'

Buk used by ruskie terrors to shot Boeing leaves the spot



pic of fired missile by terrors

http://storage1.censor.net.ua/images...8c/526x347.jpg

audio interception between ruskie terrors about shot jet
FOR THOSE SAYING IT'S UKRAINIANS FIGHTING AGAINST UKRAINIANS: TERRORS ARE CONFIRMED RUSKIE CITIZENS, FORMER KGB AGENTS AND MILITARIES WHICH HAVE SUPPORT OF SOME LOCALS. Donbas has always been depressed region, like some Detroit districts in the US. terrors are commanded by rusian citizens which get weapons and commands from rusian KGB/FSB and militaries

That's pretty much the smoking gun right there.. He claimed they shot it down thinking it was a transport plane, then deleted it after it was found out to be a airliner..

Russia is fucked with this one..

They reportedly used a Russian BUK

http://www.enemyforces.net/missiles/buk.jpg

Ondertussen bij de Nederlandse ambassade in Kiev pic.twitter.com/aB0L9nrdBZ
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxDoZhCEAA9rh6.jpg

UN SECURITY COUNCIL may meet: Great Britain has requested an emergency session b/c of the plane crash. (per @RichardRothCNN)

#kyiv #ukraine condolence to #MH17 passangers shot down by proKremlin #donbas separatist or even RUmilitary pic.twitter.com/J7kRRuGIh7
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxHwefCIAAq_gC.jpg

people silently bring flowers and leave
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxHvwoIcAAZeCE.jpg

how the fuck you know who shot it down