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aka123 07-21-2014 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20165459)
why ? this is just pacific bullshit: to convince us that if you are ready to give your life, your oppressor can't do something against you. This is just crap.
They didn't dare to crush him, but in our countries, what happened in tianamen continues to be a symbol of oppression. Does it really matter if they crush him or not ?
There is anyway 1000 deaths, according to wikipedia.

Was it better if he died from an isrealian bomb, instead ?
This is non sense and if it is non sense, it's propaganda.
I don't understand even half of this and it isn't because of my English.

The tank driver and or commander didn't dare to crush that guy. There is no bigger meaning in that.

pornmasta 07-21-2014 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165463)
There is no bigger meaning in that.
now explain why this picture became a symbol.

aka123 07-21-2014 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20165469)
now explain why this picture became a symbol.
It suited for being symbol because the one guy managed to stop the tanks aka the first tank, that probably was that platoon's leader.

pornmasta 07-21-2014 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165471)
It suited for being symbol because the one guy managed to stop the tanks aka the first tank, that probably was that platoon's leader.
but the solution is easy: let's crush him, why didn't he do that ?
Weren't these tanks here to kill the civilians ?
There was more than 1000 deaths.

aka123 07-21-2014 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20165476)
but the solution is easy: let's crush him, why didn't he do that ?
Weren't these tanks here to kill the civilians ?
There was more than 1000 deaths.
Apparently that particular tank crew felt otherwise. And I am pretty sure that they weren't there to kill civilians. Most probably their orders were to restore order, end the protests, etc, killing was just one way to achieve that.

pornmasta 07-21-2014 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165490)
Apparently that particular tank crew felt otherwise. And I am pretty sure that they weren't there to kill civilians. Most probably their orders were to restore order, end the protests, etc, killing was just one way to achieve that.
My guess is that they were probably there for something else, probably to secure the area but against heavy weapons.

just a punk 07-21-2014 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20165453)
oh, now i get what the ukrainian flag means.
I don't think so. Here is the origin:

http://fb.ru/misc/i/gallery/5419/24761.jpg

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%...B9%D0%BD%D1%8B

evy97 07-21-2014 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20165375)
Malaysian PM Najib Razak's statement. Looks like he does not trust in the Ukr. gov. and personally made deal with Borodai (rebel leader).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtFS2suCIAAMFOj.jpg:large

Quote:
Malaysian expert and Donetsk Republic prosecutor sign memorandum on transferring the #MH17 black boxes.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtGb_0MIYAANC3N.jpg

Quote:
Malaysian "would like to convey our sincere appreciation to His Excellency Mr. Borodai for obeying our request."
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/491346643514851328

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

bronco67 07-21-2014 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rikki-Nyx (Post 20164368)
They have almost 60,000 ground forces in their army. How is an army of 60,000 not capable of securing the plane crash site? and not capable of killing off a bunch of rebels ?
I was also wondering how they couldn't crush this "rebellion". Same with Iraq and Isis...it's like a few thousand guys versus an army. I guess there's a lot to be said for having a cause.

just a punk 07-21-2014 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20166012)
I was also wondering how they couldn't crush this "rebellion". Same with Iraq and Isis...it's like a few thousand guys versus an army. I guess there's a lot to be said for having a cause.
It's almost impossible to defeat guerrillas if they are supported by local civilians. The most powerful armies got cracked on that (Napoleon in Russia, Hitler in the USSR, the USA in Vietnam, the USSR in Afghanistan, the USA in Afghanistan etc) :2 cents:

evy97 07-22-2014 02:38 AM
Ukrainian MPs brawl in parliament today :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The action starts at 0:57 minute


This is the tenth fight this year?

aka123 07-22-2014 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20166079)
It's almost impossible to defeat guerrillas if they are supported by local civilians. The most powerful armies got cracked on that (Napoleon in Russia, Hitler in the USSR, the USA in Vietnam, the USSR in Afghanistan, the USA in Afghanistan etc) :2 cents:
Neither Napoleon or Hitler got cracked by querrillas. Although partisans were pain in the ass for Hitler. Even Vietnam was mixed fighting and armies, not just querrillas, although querrilla tactic was most successful in there.

Neither the separatists in Ukraine are querrillas, at least so far.

just a punk 07-22-2014 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20166189)
Neither the separatists in Ukraine are querrillas, at least so far.
And who they are? A regular army?

aka123 07-22-2014 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20166207)
And who they are? A regular army?
Mixed group, "militia" is probably the best term.

evy97 07-23-2014 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20166185)
Ukrainian MPs brawl in parliament today :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The action starts at 0:57 minute


This is the tenth fight this year?


Another day, another fight in Ukraine's parliament. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just a punk 07-23-2014 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20166212)
Mixed group, "militia" is probably the best term.
I see. That's a quite accurate definition.

MrDeiz 07-23-2014 03:40 AM
there's lesser ruskie bitches in Ukraine now

http://mediarnbo.org/wp-content/uplo...7-eng-grad.jpg

evy97 07-23-2014 04:19 AM
and fewer Ukrainians. half a million ukrainian refugees have fled to Russia since April 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-struggl...015111404.html

just a punk 07-23-2014 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20167391)
and fewer Ukrainians. half a million ukrainian refugees have fled to Russia since April 1.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-struggl...015111404.html
Only those with a brain (chess players were always the most intelligent ones): http://www.ntv.ru/sport/1151956/ - as you can see, there are smart people even in the Western Ukraine (Lviv) :2 cents:

MrDeiz 07-24-2014 03:38 AM
lesser ruskies every day

http://mediarnbo.org/wp-content/uplo.../24-07-eng.jpg

evy97 07-24-2014 04:12 AM
Ukraine has kicked the entire Communist Party out of its parliament. Ukraine's 2012 parliamentary election saw 30% vote for now-broken Party of Regions, 13% for Communists. Democracy :1orglaugh

evy97 07-24-2014 08:11 AM
Ukraine's Government Collapses, Prime minister Yatsenyuk Resigns

CAHEK 07-24-2014 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20168656)
Ukraine's Government Collapses, Prime minister Yatsenyuk Resigns
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2025743616/h0CDB924D/


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