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pornmasta 07-21-2014 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165355)
It might have something to do with the Russian forces on the other side of the border. This might not be obvious if you have read just Russian news, but the biggest question and concern is that will Russia invade Ukraine?
it's far better if the rebels do the job alone: it will discredit the ukrainian gvt, so it's not gonna happen (at least not openly)

ZiggiZiggiCrew 07-21-2014 10:14 AM
1983
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2014
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what's fucking different? no any ideas in CIA?:Oh crap
блядь, заебали одну и ту же хуню устраиваить::Oh crap пидары бля:Oh crap

и да, Путин-хуйло, ла-ла-ла \ and yes, Putin-penis, la-la-la
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just a punk 07-21-2014 10:15 AM
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femdomdestiny 07-21-2014 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20165251)
Why would any military force have AA capabilities? In case they need them. They may be fighting a proxy war with Russian backed foot soldiers now, but how are they supposed to know if they won't start seeing helos or jets from Russia?
in that case, they would run as fast as possible :thumbsup

just a punk 07-21-2014 10:38 AM

directfiesta 07-21-2014 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 20165322)
Just off the top of my head. If I were in charge of the Ukrainian military, and there was the potential of a major Russian incursion, I would certainly put AA closer to my border, if only as a precautionary measure. I also would not "answer questions" about the deployment of my AA batteries to anyone, since that would obviously be dangerous to operational security.



Just sayin'.



.:2 cents:



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that does make sense ...

amazing that it is hard for some to see that , even in the light that Russia had massed troops and planes on their border ..

directfiesta 07-21-2014 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by qwe (Post 20165332)
very simple, Ukraine shoots it down and blames Russian separatists, nato + usa of course support that view... now, every western news channel plays how bad Putin is over and over, news paper print "Putin give us our children back" (btw already printed in few), that creates very bad image for Russia, more people around the world have more negative view of Russia... west only support presidents who destroy Russia(gorvachev+yeltsin), but when Putin is somewhat trying to make things better he automatically becomes a bad guy and "dictator"
.. .and Europe imposes sanctions on Russia ( that the USA was trying to force them to do ) that they were not ready to impose the day before the shoot down .:2 cents:

aka123 07-21-2014 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20165366)
Why Russia? What not Mozambique? Why Ukraine? Why not China? I don't see any reason for Russia to invade Ukraine. Do you? :)

1) Nothing happens without a reason.
2) Ukrainian BUK's can not protect against theoretical Russian invasion because they will be easily eliminated (e.g. by Grad systems, Tochka-U etc).
Why Russia and not Mozambique? Maybe because Russia is massing it's forces on Ukraine's border and Mozambique isn't.

I see a bunch of reasons why Russia would invade Ukraine and not the least is Russia's leaders lust for power.

And whether those BUKs cannot offer protection against Russian invasion or not, they are better than nothing and Russia have same and similar AA systems, as the BUK is Russian system in the first place. Why have you built those if those are no use? :)

just a punk 07-21-2014 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165423)
Why Russia and not Mozambique? Maybe because Russia is massing it's forces on Ukraine's border and Mozambique isn't.
I didn't get this. Once again: what is the profit of invading the Ukraine for Russia? Dude, no profit = no deal.

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165423)
I see a bunch of reasons why Russia would invade Ukraine and not the least is Russia's leaders lust for power.
Share with us please.

Quote:
Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165423)
And whether those BUKs cannot offer protection against Russian invasion or not, they are better than nothing and Russia have same and similar AA systems as the, as BUK is Russian system in the first place.
As I said above, nothing happens without a reason. BUK's can't not be used to protect the Ukraine from theoretical Russian invasion, however they are a cool target for the separatists who will try to capture them (as they did already) and then use against the Ukrainian aviation.

aka123 07-21-2014 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20165432)
I didn't get this. Once again: what is the profit of invading the Ukraine for Russia? Dude, no profit = no deal.

Share with us please.

As I said above, nothing happens without a reason. BUK's can't not be used to protect the Ukraine from theoretical Russian invasion, however they are a cool target for the separatists who can capture them (as they did already) and use against the Ukrainian aviation.
Everything doesn't focus on money. There isn't need for profit. I already shared the main reason and it is Russian leaders own personal want's and goals.

And the BUKs aren't supposed to protect from Russian invasion, they are just one weapon in the arsenal. And they will offer protection as does any AA system. End result is unknown.

crockett 07-21-2014 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20165224)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-warplanes-mh1


Ukraine hasn?t said how it immediately knew rebels downed Malaysian plane, notes the Russian Foreign Ministry, as it unveils 10 awkward questions for Ukraine (and perhaps the US 'snap judgment') to answer about the MH17 disaster. However, what is perhaps more concerning for the hordes of finger-pointers is that:

RUSSIA HAS IMAGES OF UKRAINE DEPLOYING BUK ROCKETS IN EAST: IFX
RUSSIA: UKRAINE MOVED BUK NEAR REBELS IN DONETSK JULY 17: IFX
RUSSIA DETECTED UKRAINIAN FIGHTER JET PICK UP SPEED TOWARD MH17

Obviously, if there is proof that this is so, aside from CIA-created YouTube clips, these would deal another unpleasant blow to US foreign policy.

Continued http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...-warplanes-mh1
Umm it's pretty easy to know how Ukraine knew it was the Rebels. It was because the Rebels boasted about shooting down a military transport plane and named the location where it crashed on VK.com

They told the world they did it and bragged about it before it was even news to the world. Then they discovered it was civilian, at which point they started trying to cover it up and started playing the blame game.

Fuck even Putin was trying to feed you conspiracy tools, when he said the bodies had been dead before the plane was shot down..

femdomdestiny 07-21-2014 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165423)
Why Russia and not Mozambique? Maybe because Russia is massing it's forces on Ukraine's border and Mozambique isn't.

Maybe because Russia belongs to Russians and they army can do whatever they want in own country? Or you think someone should tell them what to do in own country ?

just a punk 07-21-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165437)
Everything doesn't focus on money. There isn't need for profit. I already shared the main reason and it is Russian leaders own personal want's and goals.
Did you say personal goals? So which ones? :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20165437)
And the BUKs aren't supposed to protect from Russian invasion, they are just one weapon in the arsenal. And they will offer protection as does any AA system. End result is unknown.
Everything which is "aren't supposed to" must be evacuated from a war zone or destroyed, because otherwise it will be captured by your enemy. Do you have any military education? At least a basic one? Just curious...

aka123 07-21-2014 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20165466)
Did you say personal goals? So which ones? :)
Let's start with the lust for power, "Putin the Great".

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20165466)
Everything which is "aren't supposed to" must be evacuated from a war zone or destroyed, because otherwise it will be captured by your enemy. Do you have any military education? At least a basic one? Just curious...
I have been in military service and I am a group leader, closest equivalent is probably sergeant (in US military).

I can say that the outcome is not predetermined. Outcome is not quaranteed in any ways, you just fight and kill enemies and maybe it turns out okay, maybe doesn't. There might be strategic and tactical withdrawals, but at some point you have to fight, despite of the outcome, because you can't know it beforehand.

pornmasta 07-21-2014 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20165466)
because otherwise it will be captured by your enemy. Do you have any military education? At least a basic one? Just curious...
there is an easy answer for ALL your objections: "anyway it's the ukrainian army"


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