OK, so just to be clear then, it's alright to be disgusted by fat people, but only up to the point where you find out that there is an underlying medical cause. If fat people disgust you, when you see a new one are you obligated then to inquire about their health history before making moral judgment?

Or does the internal monologue go something like "OMG look at that wildebeest. I think I'm going to be sick. I just threw up in my mouth a little. Did they see me staring? Do I care? Of course not, a freak like that should be in the circus for everybody to stare at --- unless they have a legitimate medical condition, then I'm entirely OK with them."

I mean we gotta know right? Otherwise we might give a fatty a break who doesn't deserve it. :Oh crap

Remember the song "Short People" by Randy Newman from the 1970's?
Someone should do a song like that today and call it "Fat People".

Let's see what happens.

My bit of free advice: It's not what you eat but what you digest.

I don't think you are a lazy fuck, but I would suggest you get your RMR tested.

http://athleticamps.com/rmr.html (googled around your area)

Once you find that out, you can then findout why you are gaining weight.

Odds are you'll be like me, and can eat around 1900 calories a day without gaining any sort of weight. Well 1 Chili's combo and you are at that for just Lunch.

What Rochard said.

If I worked out and ate at 20, the way I do now, I would have been super ripped. At 20, all it took for me to be bikini-ready was avoiding desserts and alcohol and maybe lifting weights a few times a month when I felt like it.

I too am disgusted by fat people and maybe I have a more sensitive sense of smell than some but they all smell bad to me...but then again I find the majority of human animals to be disgusting...and fortunately for me I can avoid being around them most of the time.

Would be great if you'd avoid posting here as well.

The reasons are many, just like mentalities, there are a lot of examples in the replies here. We can always try to help a friend in a situation like this or get help if we need it.

Ha, nice question... I was wandering the same sometimes, and I don't know how someone can allow to look like that, fat and... Oh...

This .......

That's the thing. People who smoke, gamble, shop, do drugs or any other of a number of coping behaviors are exactly the SAME as fat people. Fat people use food to cope and it is much more noticeable but all have struggles.

You don't see black lungs, empty wallets, full closets etc. so those non-fat people seem okay and are fine judging other over-weight people when really they are at the same level.

Diet is 80%-90% of the battle. You and anyone could have stay slim without stepping foot into a gym. Its a simple matter of changing your diet and eating habits a week or two of consistent eating will make all the difference. Calories in vs calories out. Its a very simple concept that most people seem to overlook. If you are still gaining weight while in a caloric deficit then you have other underlying issues, most likely hormonal (testosterone or Thyroid). If you go to the gym 5 days a week and look the same week after week then chances are youre doing something wrong and chances are its your diet.

The more overweight a person is the faster they will drop those initial pounds. Especially in the first months of new diet and training. Someone already at a low BF percentage has a much tougher time burning that last bit of stubborn fat off.

You also have to take into consideration initial water loss...for every 1 gram of carbs you eat the body retains 2.7 grams of water. For example if you ate 1000 Grams of carbs today you'd also retain 6lbs of water with it.

And ill tell you one thing...no one is lucky. Everyone's metabolism takes a nose dive after a certain age. It's a matter of how much youre willing to prepare(cooking, weighing) and sacrifice (minimal alcohol/cheat meals) to get to your desired physique

I'm embarrassed as an adult male when I see other adult males needing to vent about important shit like *fat people*

I lost 80 pounds eating bacon, burgers, steak, eggs, cheese, and other fatty foods. Mmmm.

Never went to a gym either.

Congrats on the weightloss...at least someone knows how to count in this thread. calories in vs calories out. Its a very easy concept that so many people overlook. Mind blowing! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...I guess?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-812ls4RkBI...ave+curves.png

Again, that's easy to say "eat better" and for some people impossible to do. When I was younger I was working four jobs and barely had time to sleep, no less try to cook a decent meal - meals were nearly always fast food and on the go. When I got older it was more of the same - I left the house at 6am to go to work, and didn't get home until after college at midnight. Then onto a career where I worked 10 and 12 hours a day plus trying to raise a family.

I'm not saying it's my fault - it obviously is - but when I was younger I didn't have the time or energy to worry much about it. Suddenly one day I woke up and discovered I had gained weight quickly, and the changes I made - dieting and going to gym - didn't help at all.

My diet had more calories in than calories out. That's not the magic recipe.

I was on low carb high fat diet.

The bullshit in here has now reached classic gfy levels.

Just for example It takes me 30 minutes every 3 days to cook 6lbs of ground turkey, 8 cups of rice, weighed, prepped, sealed in pyrex dishes. I did it through college as well, while working full time....same deal. I get it, other things take precedence in your life but if you took a step back and combined all those times stopping for fast food you very well could have fit it in there and saved yourself time and money throughout your day by not having to stop.

If you want it bad enough you have to make it part of your life...after all it is a life style change. Anyone that "diets" is just making a temporary change.

Your changes of dieting and going to the gym didnt work because youre not approaching it properly or implementing them the right way. If you want a legitimate diet to follow that will allow you to lose weight and eat things you enjoy id be more than happy to help.

Its impossible to lose 80lbs while being in a caloric surplus, low carb or not. Especially a consistent surplus...

Exactly! It's all about caloric intake. Eat less calories than you burn and you're going to lose weight. I saw a fat lady on a cart at Walmart eating a tub of ice cream while she shopped. Yes, she grabbed a large tub of ice cream (not sure if she brought the spoon or found one in house wares). But tell me what medical problem she is suffering from where she has to eat a gallon of ice cream while shopping?

Obesity kills so many people a year and is 100% preventable. If it's medical, they have medicine. And it wouldn't hurt to walk, or jog, or just get up and move around. The sad part is, most of them are way past that point and carrying around 400lbs is pretty tough. I can squat 400lbs, but I sure as hell couldn't imagine carrying that 400lbs around with me all day, every day.

I just wanted to know what goes through a person's mind when they reach that point. The point where they could either work and lose weight, or simply give up and keep getting fatter. :2 cents:

I weigh 235lbs. But I'm not fat at all. It's because I workout at the gym an hour in the morning and do MMA training 3-4 hours at night, every night. I'm just a big boy. :)

Maybe she was a diabetic having a hypoglycemic episode.

Ketogenic diet does help reduce caloric intake, but nobody in the diet actually cares about how many calories they take in.

How much do you weigh? Now tack on 400lbs. Of course you can't carry that around. Because you're not carrying around 400lbs. You're carrying around 550+lbs.

There's many things going on that causes people to become obese. It's not simply laziness and eating so much. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Take Michael Phelps for example. Dude eats more in a single day than I have ever seen from an obese person. Yet look at him. Now lets say he gives up swimming, takes on a more sedentary lifestyle. Guess what, he's gonna probably put on some weight. He's used to eating so much, his body is expecting it, he'll forget that he's not being so active anymore, force of habit.

Sure his clothes will get tight, he'll realize it, but be like "oh maybe it just shrunk" ya know, try to ignore that he's putting on weight, because he hasn't changed much other than how much activity he does. Shit happens.

Depression, Thyroid, Diabetes, many things cause issues with people and they gain weight.

Good friend of mine was pretty active person, very good shape, got into a car accident, broke her back. She put on weight because of that. Of course if you saw her today, you'd think she's a fatass and be a judgmental prick. Couldn't expect you to understand anything, just that she's a lazy piece of shit who doesn't care about her body.

Same, I am overweight as per the standard at 190@ 5'7 but im lean and in better shape than 99% of people so I'm happy about that. I dont know what i would do without being active or going to the gym. Even after working a 12 hour day I need that release

So what you said before is invalid. You ate in a caloric deficit and lost weight on a ketogenic based diet as do most people. For those who actually care about their physique and diet track their calories via myfitnesspal or other apps/pathways.

Im not a proponent of any diet that cuts out or deduces a specific food type. Not hard to get down to a low body fat percentage while still eating carbs. Theres this little trick called meal timing :)

In regard to your friend...she could have just eaten less. Less cals burned through the day due to injury + eating the same diet or more since being home bored = weight gain. All of these people are in control of what they put in their mouth.

Uhm actually in 9 out of 10 times it IS that easy.

The problem is sticking to it. Most people are weak and start slacking after a few weeks. Specially when they don't see any real results after only a month :2 cents:

You obviously didn't read much of what I wrote in detail. I clearly stated that I weighed 235lbs. And yes, it's pretty fucking obvious that I would add that 400lbs to my own body weight. I'm not fucking retarded.

I understand that ALL too well. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that 99% of it is from laziness and not eating properly. Give a fat person a 1,500 calorie a day diet and they'll start dropping weight without doing a damn thing. Your body burns calories even when you're sitting around. It burns calories to maintain your body temp, breathing, and keeping your body going.

Sorry, I'm calling bullshit on this one. Phelps takes over 10,000 calories a day, but he's also burning them off as quickly as they're taken. If he just said fuck it, and quit swimming, he would go to a regular diet without a problem at all. A good friend played Defensive Tackle in the NFL for 10 years. He had to maintain weight at 300-310lbs while he played. He's been retired for about 10 years, now he weighs 210lbs and is as healthy as an Ox. People with discipline like that have no problem changing or manipulating their habits - and they're very in tune with their bodies. They have something that most fat people don't; self control and discipline.

Obesity is a cause of depression. There is medication and treatment for both Thyroid and Diabetes. The secret is that you have to follow the instructions. You have to follow the diet plan, take the medications, etc. Most fat people have no self control or discipline. I'm not going to say all of them, but a vast majority.

Has she fully healed from the wreck? Is she mobile? Can she walk? If you answered yes, then I don't feel sorry for her at all. Maybe she can use the accident as justification for getting fat, but deep down inside she's depressed and not willing to make a change. If she can get up, she can eat properly and do basic, basic exercises. So yes, I would be a judgmental prick if I ever met her because frankly, I loathe lazy people with no motivation or drive. But I would be judging her character, not her weight. :2 cents:

THIS x10000 People dont realize consistency is the key to staying looking the same. Now when I say consistent I mean I weigh all my meals, and eat them at almost the same time every day. I found what works, what keeps me in single digit (6-9%) BF percentages while staying lean. 42-4500 calories of goodness per day with only 2 cheat MEALS per week (NOT DAYS!) my cheat meals will consist of either steak or sushi...i don't really deviate from those two things.

People think eating a few low calorie portions here and there will make a tremendous change...well it will but not when youre eating 1K cal of chips at night. Portion control is everything. Weigh, prep, plan...its the key to success

Those are my friends, Goddess Patty and her slave. In her prime, was one of the most popular SSBBWS in the world.
She is the one who squashed Wee Man in Jackass Number Two.

:flagface

And there's what many in this thread have the problem with. Out of ignorance of what depression is, the end result is being a judgemental prick (to use the phrase mentioned already).

You aren't seeing that what you loathe in someone else because you admit you don't understand the circumstances, and them living in that mental state, is leading others to be judgemental pricks by labelling you as a judgemental prick :upsidedow

Which is why I'm now gonna take my own advice and stay the fuck out of everyone else's thinking :pimp

A long time ago...

It a place far far away...

People minded their own business and didn't judge others by looks and weight and trivial shit like that...

But that WAS a long time ago...

NOW...

People are judgmental asses... :321GFY

Bullshit. People have been judgmental since we were cavemen.

Well you can certainly tell who is carrying around a few extra pounds in this thread.
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Yeaa that is what most people dont get. Its all about diet and has little to do with your workouts. Simple as calories in and calories out.

I disagree. It is not that simple.

You're right.

When I hit the 13% body fat range, it became apparent that a calorie is not just a calorie. Any further progress I've been seeing is using the calorie in calorie out mentality + increasing the quality of those calories.

Exactly.

That is why it is harder to lose the last 20lbs or last 5 lbs etc... If the formula were simply calories in - calories out then sticking points like that should not exist.

There are many variables.

The last 20lbs!? Lol cmon man its really not THAT hard. When you get to single digit BF percentages thats when things get a little "tough" and you have to take meal timing into consideration, which I do. I stay at 7% currently eat 4200 cals 40% carbs/40% Protein/20% Fat Macro break down doing no cardio and weight training 4-5 days a week. Carbs are focused around my workouts and when im active during the day. You fuel your body for what youre doing at the time.

What's worked for me the past few years is Lean Gains protocol for eating. Might work for those who are having issues losing weight.

I don't have any really "fat" people around me because we simply do not have that a lot here over here in The Netherlands (Europe?), but what I do see in programs like Obese and on TLC (yeah I know, prolly the extreme cases) is that the brakes are hit much too late. When starting to workout is already an issue and cooking healthy (or learning to!) is already too exhausting. While most of those people also have loved ones around them that could have intervened when it got too far, but seeing some replies in this thread, this is a very delicate issue. I would rather have a fight for a week with my loved ones right now though, than a fight for a year or longer to lose the weight.

funny you should mention that, I've been out in Las Vegas the last few weeks on business and the hotel that I was staying at was hosting https://www.biggervegas.com/ - I never saw so many rascals in my life.

it's a shame that people would actually let themselves get like that, despite the obvious health problems.

I have some funny pics if you want to see...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...37988040_n.jpg

and you can't forget the gay bear convention, that was the week before... I was lucky enough to be there for both...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...53505830_n.jpg

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I feel gratitude and compassion when I read threads like this.

Prince Markie Dee and Kool Rock-Ski both lost quite a bit of weight. They're still alive.


http://grandgood.com/wordpress/wp-co...thefatboys.jpg


Darren Robinson a.k.a. "The Human Beat Box" didn't. He died in 1995.

But according to your logic of [Calories In - Calories Out = Weight Loss] it should NOT be a little tough.

I agree it is a little tough at that point but it proves the argument wrong that is is SIMPLY a caloric deficit that is needed.

Many variables effect weight loss/gain.