ex-fucking-actly :thumbsup

maybe everyone should wear a sign stating health/mental/whatever problems, so they get a free pass at being fat/thin, and it's just 'all those others' who we should stick to judging.

I'm just wondering at what fucking point a ton of people thought they had any business being in someone else's business.

I'm not fat, though I used to be skinny, and fuck if I'm going to think I have some kind of right to tell other people how they should think, or what they should do. wtf lol. for one thing, it's nature's way of making sure people die (hey miamicuntz, this is a thread for you after all!). Life has rolled on for millions of years, and will continue to roll on for x years, without the 'wisdom' of the fit & healthy, mentally perfect thoughts of a bunch of people with fuck all better to do than think they know what is going on in someone else's life :thumbsup

Don't over-do it. It could have the opposite effect. Some studies have shown that cardio over 30 minutes could actually trigger you to hold on to fat.

Two a days is fine, but keep it short and intense -- like 15 minutes. Get to a point where you're huffing and puffing, then stop. Sprint, don't jog.

fat will melt off, and you'll get all of that time back as a bonus.

take this argument and substitute reading and intelligence with being fit and healthy. You have dedicated your life to one while others have dedicated their lives to another... How is what you chose better?

the only difference is you can't see intelligence.

LOL. Of course harsh words wake SOME/many people up. Sometimes it is one of the combination of things, sometimes it is the last push that helps them wake up.
Pretty ignorant to say that NOBODY was "woken up" by harsh words.

Not exactly. It is just not specified as there is no need to specify like that:
"All people except those that have legit health issues/diseases".
No need to specify because it is obvious. Of course nobody would have anythoing bad to say against people who has legit health conditions that makes them fat.
It is given that when people talk like OP they mean ONLY those that are being fat because they are lazy or eating junk etc.

It is so obvious that nobody is talking about people having health conditions like your mom that there is no need to specify that. :2 cents: Everybody understands/assumes that without saying. Strange that some people don't :)

not those in depression/mental anxiety, which again, was that context.

Has this turned into a discussion about whether the term "fat" is politically correct or not? I'm weighing in, pun heavily intended..

"Fat" is fine with me! Sorry but I'm rough around the edges and don't care if someone refers to me as fat, overweight, portly, stout or chubby, lmfao. The fact is that it's excess FAT that makes it all possible.

The people offended by the word fat have given it POWER to hurt their feelings. Why? No idea. It's OK to call it fat, because it is fat.

A cigar is just a cigar until someone thinks of it as a penis. hehe

Yeah, fucking soft language.

If it has I can't see it at all, have I missed something? I thought it had turned into a thread about judging others or not, not knowing others' situations (or knowing them), and whether people should, or shouldn't, mind their own fucking business, and worry about all their own shit that others go 'wtf?' at.

Like I said though, I may have missed something :thumbsup

I had an ex-g/f that wanted to go on Depo-Provera because she was lazy and couldn't remember to take daily birth control pills. (never forgot her lipstick or make up though) Anyway I did a quick google search and for selfish reasons advised her not to get the shot because of the possibility of gaining weight. Of course she didn't listen.

Sure as shit she quickly gained about 15 pounds. Then, unknown to me, her doctor prescribed her Zoloft for depression. Well she gained about 40 pounds in the next few months directly because of the depression medicine.

Over the winter months she gained over 50 pounds despite eating right and her normal exercising. By the time spring rolled around she was so depressed she upped her Zoloft prescription, gave up eating right and taking care of herself.

She went well over 200 pounds from her previous 120-125 by the end of the year. Years later she still uses old photos on her facebook. None of her original weight was anything but chemically induced.

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OK, so just to be clear then, it's alright to be disgusted by fat people, but only up to the point where you find out that there is an underlying medical cause. If fat people disgust you, when you see a new one are you obligated then to inquire about their health history before making moral judgment?

Or does the internal monologue go something like "OMG look at that wildebeest. I think I'm going to be sick. I just threw up in my mouth a little. Did they see me staring? Do I care? Of course not, a freak like that should be in the circus for everybody to stare at --- unless they have a legitimate medical condition, then I'm entirely OK with them."

I mean we gotta know right? Otherwise we might give a fatty a break who doesn't deserve it. :Oh crap

Remember the song "Short People" by Randy Newman from the 1970's?
Someone should do a song like that today and call it "Fat People".

Let's see what happens.

My bit of free advice: It's not what you eat but what you digest.

I don't think you are a lazy fuck, but I would suggest you get your RMR tested.

http://athleticamps.com/rmr.html (googled around your area)

Once you find that out, you can then findout why you are gaining weight.

Odds are you'll be like me, and can eat around 1900 calories a day without gaining any sort of weight. Well 1 Chili's combo and you are at that for just Lunch.

What Rochard said.

If I worked out and ate at 20, the way I do now, I would have been super ripped. At 20, all it took for me to be bikini-ready was avoiding desserts and alcohol and maybe lifting weights a few times a month when I felt like it.

I too am disgusted by fat people and maybe I have a more sensitive sense of smell than some but they all smell bad to me...but then again I find the majority of human animals to be disgusting...and fortunately for me I can avoid being around them most of the time.

Would be great if you'd avoid posting here as well.

The reasons are many, just like mentalities, there are a lot of examples in the replies here. We can always try to help a friend in a situation like this or get help if we need it.

Ha, nice question... I was wandering the same sometimes, and I don't know how someone can allow to look like that, fat and... Oh...

This .......

That's the thing. People who smoke, gamble, shop, do drugs or any other of a number of coping behaviors are exactly the SAME as fat people. Fat people use food to cope and it is much more noticeable but all have struggles.

You don't see black lungs, empty wallets, full closets etc. so those non-fat people seem okay and are fine judging other over-weight people when really they are at the same level.

Diet is 80%-90% of the battle. You and anyone could have stay slim without stepping foot into a gym. Its a simple matter of changing your diet and eating habits a week or two of consistent eating will make all the difference. Calories in vs calories out. Its a very simple concept that most people seem to overlook. If you are still gaining weight while in a caloric deficit then you have other underlying issues, most likely hormonal (testosterone or Thyroid). If you go to the gym 5 days a week and look the same week after week then chances are youre doing something wrong and chances are its your diet.

The more overweight a person is the faster they will drop those initial pounds. Especially in the first months of new diet and training. Someone already at a low BF percentage has a much tougher time burning that last bit of stubborn fat off.

You also have to take into consideration initial water loss...for every 1 gram of carbs you eat the body retains 2.7 grams of water. For example if you ate 1000 Grams of carbs today you'd also retain 6lbs of water with it.

And ill tell you one thing...no one is lucky. Everyone's metabolism takes a nose dive after a certain age. It's a matter of how much youre willing to prepare(cooking, weighing) and sacrifice (minimal alcohol/cheat meals) to get to your desired physique

I'm embarrassed as an adult male when I see other adult males needing to vent about important shit like *fat people*

I lost 80 pounds eating bacon, burgers, steak, eggs, cheese, and other fatty foods. Mmmm.

Never went to a gym either.

Congrats on the weightloss...at least someone knows how to count in this thread. calories in vs calories out. Its a very easy concept that so many people overlook. Mind blowing! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...I guess?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-812ls4RkBI...ave+curves.png

Again, that's easy to say "eat better" and for some people impossible to do. When I was younger I was working four jobs and barely had time to sleep, no less try to cook a decent meal - meals were nearly always fast food and on the go. When I got older it was more of the same - I left the house at 6am to go to work, and didn't get home until after college at midnight. Then onto a career where I worked 10 and 12 hours a day plus trying to raise a family.

I'm not saying it's my fault - it obviously is - but when I was younger I didn't have the time or energy to worry much about it. Suddenly one day I woke up and discovered I had gained weight quickly, and the changes I made - dieting and going to gym - didn't help at all.

My diet had more calories in than calories out. That's not the magic recipe.

I was on low carb high fat diet.

The bullshit in here has now reached classic gfy levels.

Just for example It takes me 30 minutes every 3 days to cook 6lbs of ground turkey, 8 cups of rice, weighed, prepped, sealed in pyrex dishes. I did it through college as well, while working full time....same deal. I get it, other things take precedence in your life but if you took a step back and combined all those times stopping for fast food you very well could have fit it in there and saved yourself time and money throughout your day by not having to stop.

If you want it bad enough you have to make it part of your life...after all it is a life style change. Anyone that "diets" is just making a temporary change.

Your changes of dieting and going to the gym didnt work because youre not approaching it properly or implementing them the right way. If you want a legitimate diet to follow that will allow you to lose weight and eat things you enjoy id be more than happy to help.

Its impossible to lose 80lbs while being in a caloric surplus, low carb or not. Especially a consistent surplus...

Exactly! It's all about caloric intake. Eat less calories than you burn and you're going to lose weight. I saw a fat lady on a cart at Walmart eating a tub of ice cream while she shopped. Yes, she grabbed a large tub of ice cream (not sure if she brought the spoon or found one in house wares). But tell me what medical problem she is suffering from where she has to eat a gallon of ice cream while shopping?

Obesity kills so many people a year and is 100% preventable. If it's medical, they have medicine. And it wouldn't hurt to walk, or jog, or just get up and move around. The sad part is, most of them are way past that point and carrying around 400lbs is pretty tough. I can squat 400lbs, but I sure as hell couldn't imagine carrying that 400lbs around with me all day, every day.

I just wanted to know what goes through a person's mind when they reach that point. The point where they could either work and lose weight, or simply give up and keep getting fatter. :2 cents:

I weigh 235lbs. But I'm not fat at all. It's because I workout at the gym an hour in the morning and do MMA training 3-4 hours at night, every night. I'm just a big boy. :)

Maybe she was a diabetic having a hypoglycemic episode.

Ketogenic diet does help reduce caloric intake, but nobody in the diet actually cares about how many calories they take in.

How much do you weigh? Now tack on 400lbs. Of course you can't carry that around. Because you're not carrying around 400lbs. You're carrying around 550+lbs.

There's many things going on that causes people to become obese. It's not simply laziness and eating so much. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.

Take Michael Phelps for example. Dude eats more in a single day than I have ever seen from an obese person. Yet look at him. Now lets say he gives up swimming, takes on a more sedentary lifestyle. Guess what, he's gonna probably put on some weight. He's used to eating so much, his body is expecting it, he'll forget that he's not being so active anymore, force of habit.

Sure his clothes will get tight, he'll realize it, but be like "oh maybe it just shrunk" ya know, try to ignore that he's putting on weight, because he hasn't changed much other than how much activity he does. Shit happens.

Depression, Thyroid, Diabetes, many things cause issues with people and they gain weight.

Good friend of mine was pretty active person, very good shape, got into a car accident, broke her back. She put on weight because of that. Of course if you saw her today, you'd think she's a fatass and be a judgmental prick. Couldn't expect you to understand anything, just that she's a lazy piece of shit who doesn't care about her body.

Same, I am overweight as per the standard at 190@ 5'7 but im lean and in better shape than 99% of people so I'm happy about that. I dont know what i would do without being active or going to the gym. Even after working a 12 hour day I need that release

So what you said before is invalid. You ate in a caloric deficit and lost weight on a ketogenic based diet as do most people. For those who actually care about their physique and diet track their calories via myfitnesspal or other apps/pathways.

Im not a proponent of any diet that cuts out or deduces a specific food type. Not hard to get down to a low body fat percentage while still eating carbs. Theres this little trick called meal timing :)

In regard to your friend...she could have just eaten less. Less cals burned through the day due to injury + eating the same diet or more since being home bored = weight gain. All of these people are in control of what they put in their mouth.