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wehateporn 07-24-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny o (Post 20168255)
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”


― Mark Twain

That's a great saying and completely relevant to some people in this thread :thumbsup

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by H-Tom (Post 20168972)
You call other people idiots but actually you are not very smart, are you? Term "Climate Change" is a pleonasm. Of course that climate is changing, it always had and always will.

The fact is that averange temperature on Earth for the last 650 milions years was 22°C.
(now it's 15°C). Earth has never been colder in the last 65 milions years than now.
http://www.hugovandermolen.nl/enviro...lion-years.gif

There where two times where we had even lower temperature and in both cases it ended in mass extintion of life on the whole planet.

hey.. wasn't there giant lizards ruling the earth during those times?

seeric 07-24-2014 01:08 PM

I can tell you what is not a joke or false; the modification and over processing of the nations food supply for generous profits by big name household name companies, and other profit greedy zealots like the insurance and pharmacological companies.

100% fact. Our food is shit, and people should focus on that instead of the man behind the curtain playing manipulated data games to scare people.

One is fiction, one is non.

But it's all good, the sheeple will just go about believing what companies tell them on the TV setters. They're paying for that trust.

Great quote from Mark Twain above. I couldn't agree more.

aka123 07-24-2014 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20169002)
hey.. wasn't there giant lizards ruling the earth during those times?

Pretty much so. So let's not worry about any warming, lizards will do fine. :)

aka123 07-24-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by seeric (Post 20169008)
100% fact. Our food is shit

Don't get me started about European view to American food, drug and similar habits. But you summed up it pretty well.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20169011)
Pretty much so. So let's not worry about any warming, lizards will do fine. :)

phew! here i was almost convinced a mere change of 7 degrees wouldn't even matter!

http://i.imgur.com/ZgjqzTR.jpg

johnny o 07-24-2014 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks (Post 20168747)
Says the same group of lying scientists.

what a total idiotic argument. please move to the coast if you're not there already.

johnny o 07-24-2014 02:50 PM

http://winkprogress.com/images/2013/...ns-450x352.jpg

johnny o 07-24-2014 04:00 PM

so you'll guys will believe in basic scientific laws of gravity, newton's laws of motion, laws of thermodynamics, theory of general relativity. really rudimentary shit, and 1000 others EXCEPT THIS ONE. makes PERFECT sense.

crockett 07-24-2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20168944)
What's your take on it?

My take is after reading a few of the quoted blocks of the emails, is that they could be talking about many things.

These for instance..

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The new emails also reveal the scientists? attempts to politicize the debate and advance predetermined outcomes.

?The trick may be to decide on the main message and use that to guid[e] what?s included and what is left out? of IPCC reports, writes Jonathan Overpeck, coordinating lead author for the IPCC?s most recent climate assessment.

?I gave up on [Georgia Institute of Technology climate professor] Judith Curry a while ago. I don?t know what she thinks she?s doing, but its not helping the cause,? wrote Mann in another newly released email.

?I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose? skeptical scientist Steve McIntyre, Mann writes in another newly released email.
There is nothing damming about anything said in the first 3 quoted examples. Unless of course you are trying to spin a agenda against global warming. There is no context to see what they were actually discussing, just a few cherry picked lines.

The first they are talking what to leave in a report or what to leave out. Just because they want to leave out info, doesn't mean that it's some conspiracy. They are trying to decide what is important and what is not.

So they don't think a random scientist is working with them.. big deal are they not allowed to discuss that?

As far as the last.. while yes it seems like dirty tactics, trying to get someone to investigate a person. It doesn't mean they are in some conspiracy. it just shows that someone is likely on a power trip..

None of these proof anything they are just a bunch cherry picked quotes cobbled together in a agenda biased article trying to lead you on.

If this was the proof in the pudding, then why is it all so vague, with just cherry picked quotes with no context to actually judge them by?

This is nothing more than a opinion biased article where the writer is trying to led you on with no real evidence.

SongRider 07-24-2014 04:05 PM

Fifty weenies!!!

dyna mo 07-24-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny o (Post 20169153)
so you'll guys will believe in basic scientific laws of gravity, newton's laws of motion, laws of thermodynamics, theory of general relativity. really rudimentary shit, and 1000 others EXCEPT THIS ONE. makes PERFECT sense.

I'm open, which scientific law are you referring to?

Btw, theory of relativity is a theory, else it would be named the law of relativity.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20169165)

Btw, theory of relativity is a theory, else it would be named the law of relativity.

isn't that what he says?

crockett 07-24-2014 04:31 PM

Funny enough.. I checked the author's other "contributions" to Fobes.com..

Every single article he has written for Forbes is anti global warming..

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/

He also comes up several times on media matters where they counter his arguments and pretty much show he cherry picks shit and makes up facts to fit his agenda..

http://mediamatters.org/tags/james-taylor

He is obviously not objective and he just cherry picks his shit. Big surprise, he fed you guys exactly what you wanted to hear and you sucked it right up.

dyna mo 07-24-2014 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20169183)
isn't that what he says?

I gather that the crux of his posts is that there is some law being applied to climate change, thus the memtioning of a few. But it makes no sense to include a theory mixed in with laws if you're trying to argue others are ignoring a law of climate change. My point entirely is man-made climate change is a theory and moreover the science has been politicized with one side claiming their theory is law/fact because a bunch of people agree.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20169209)
I gather that the crux of his posts is that there is some law being applied to climate change, thus the memtioning of a few. But it makes no sense to include a theory mixed in with laws if you're trying to argue others are ignoring a law of climate change. My point entirely is man-made climate change is a theory and moreover the science has been politicized with one side claiming their theory is law/fact because a bunch of people agree.

or maybe the point was we take all these things for granted from scientists.. but when it comes to man-made climate change everyones all:

http://i.imgur.com/trBKZ1V.gif

(yea i was looking for an excuse to use this - thanks bro)

WarChild 07-24-2014 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20169165)
I'm open, which scientific law are you referring to?

Btw, theory of relativity is a theory, else it would be named the law of relativity.

There's no better way to show the World you don't really understand science than to make a silly statement like this.

Let me give you a quick little lesson. Instead of typing it out, I'm just going to cut and paste somebody else's words.

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In the language of science, the word "law" describes an analytic statement. It gives us a formula that tells us what things will do. For example, Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation tells us that "Every point mass attracts every single point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is directly proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the point masses." That formula will let us calculate the gravitational pull between the Earth and the object you dropped, between the Sun and Mars, or between me and a bowl of ice cream.

We can use Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation to calculate how strong the gravitational pull is between the Earth and the object you dropped, which would let us calculate its acceleration as it falls, how long it will take to hit the ground, how fast it would be going at impact, how much energy it will take to pick it up again, etc.

While the law lets us calculate quite a bit about what happens, notice that it does not tell us anything about why it happens. That is what theories are for. In the language of science, the word "theory" is used to describe an explanation of why and how things happen. For gravity, we use Einstein's Theory of General Relativity to explain why things fall.

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20169158)

None of these proof anything they are just a bunch cherry picked quotes cobbled together in a agenda biased article trying to lead you on.

If this was the proof in the pudding, then why is it all so vague, with just cherry picked quotes with no context to actually judge them by?

This is nothing more than a opinion biased article where the writer is trying to led you on with no real evidence.

follow the money... :2 cents:

johnny o 07-24-2014 04:52 PM

funny how only white people in 'Merica deny climate change. the rest of the world doesn't. how shocking.

here, go make $10K, how will you nOObs spend the money?

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/25/call...g_ is_a_hoax/

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20168858)
Some people are highly susceptible to propaganda and incapable of looking at the wider agenda :2 cents:

Global Warming is a money-making scam, it's an excuse to put taxes in place, it comes from the very top of the system i.e. House of Rothschild

thank you... kinda weird seeing you post something that makes sense...

crockett 07-24-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny o (Post 20169220)
funny how only white people in 'Merica deny climate change. the rest of the world doesn't. how shocking.

here, go make $10K, how will you nOObs spend the money?

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/25/call...g_ is_a_hoax/

I started a topic about that several weeks ago and oddly enough no one from GFY has managed to get their free 10k paycheck.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny o (Post 20169153)
so you'll guys will believe in basic scientific laws of gravity, newton's laws of motion, laws of thermodynamics, theory of general relativity. really rudimentary shit, and 1000 others EXCEPT THIS ONE. makes PERFECT sense.

Johnny in all seriousness, when the time comes you can make more than 10-12K a year and move out of your car I might be willing to hear your theories about how life works. and I realize that sounds harsh but how can you expect someone to accept you logic and your foundations of knowledge when you can't even make a fucking living in AMERICA?

:2 cents:

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20169231)
I started a topic about that several weeks ago and oddly enough no one from GFY has managed to get their free 10k paycheck.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

applies to you as well
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20169235&postcount=62

SongRider 07-24-2014 05:05 PM

Global warming is real because God personally told me it was... and He is PISSED about it!

there... its been settled! :thumbsup

Now... fix it...

johnny o 07-24-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20169235)
Johnny in all seriousness, when the time comes you can make more than 10-12K a year and move out of your car I might be willing to hear your theories about how life works. and I realize that sounds harsh but how can you expect someone to accept you logic and your foundations of knowledge when you can't even make a fucking living in AMERICA?

:2 cents:

i can't make a living? when all else fails go for the ad hominem attack. it's the last resort of people out of ideas.

crockett 07-24-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20169236)

I debunked your topic and now you are butt hurt.. So sad..

twinvisible 07-24-2014 05:30 PM

lotsa confirmation bias going on in here.

mopek1 07-24-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20168904)
Wait.. So you will believe a opinion piece about a bunch of emails that you haven't seen or read the full contents of (ie quoted lines taken out of context).. You will just willing believe it all because it fits your agenda, but you openly question all science on the topic.

And you call us weinnies..

That's what I said but nobody responded.

It is hypocritical.

mopek1 07-24-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20168858)
Some people are highly susceptible to propaganda and incapable of looking at the wider agenda :2 cents:

Global Warming is a money-making scam, it's an excuse to put taxes in place, it comes from the very top of the system i.e. House of Rothschild

I believe global warming is true.

But I don't believe in carbon taxing or any other tax system to counter it. If any party suggested it I would vote against that party.

I'm not naive enough to believe everything governments say. Instead I look at the big picture and see who's saying what and base my opinion on that.

What does that make me?

twinvisible 07-24-2014 05:42 PM

The article was written in Nov. of 2011... is there a recent update to this or something?

wehateporn 07-24-2014 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 20169294)
I believe global warming is true.

But I don't believe in carbon taxing or any other tax system to counter it. If any party suggested it I would vote against that party.

I'm not naive enough to believe everything governments say. Instead I look at the big picture and see who's saying what and base my opinion on that.

What does that make me?

They don't Fluoridate the drinking water where you live then?

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20169275)
I debunked your topic and now you are butt hurt.. So sad..

not butt hurt at all.. you have debunked nothing :2 cents:

have more respect for people that can earn because I feel they have a more 'realistic understanding' of reality... in my personal experience all the people of 'liberal or pro liberal or into global warming or other weird liberal agendas' make no money and excuse this by blaming 'the man' and 'weird 1%' manipulations as the excuse for their failures instead of accepting that they have no 'snap' or are unable to succeed.

for instance all the people I personally know who love the fuck out of Obama care basically earn about 20k a year and now have 'subsidized health care ins' while people like me that actually earn a living have had our 'health care ins' cost doubled ...

that's the reality I live in, while you guys live in some weird 'chemtrail' world run by lizard people and the 1% and global warming

seen this many times :2 cents:

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1 (Post 20169294)
I believe global warming is true.

But I don't believe in carbon taxing or any other tax system to counter it. If any party suggested it I would vote against that party.

I'm not naive enough to believe everything governments say. Instead I look at the big picture and see who's saying what and base my opinion on that.

What does that make me?

a realist maybe about government except you are being manipulated about 'man made global warming'... global warming is the new 'communism' crusade to get power and money :2 cents:

wehateporn 07-24-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20169225)
thank you... kinda weird seeing you post something that makes sense...

Looks like I'm on the same side as 12Clicks today too, who picked the teams?

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by twinvisible (Post 20169296)
The article was written in Nov. of 2011... is there a recent update to this or something?

look it up... the information is all out there...

Grapesoda 07-24-2014 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by johnny o (Post 20169271)
i can't make a living? when all else fails go for the ad hominem attack. it's the last resort of people out of ideas.

I'm merely pointing out that your logic is suspect because real world evidence points to you as lacking the understanding to organize thoughts for a successful outcome...

'I can't figure out how to make a living but I understand all about world events'

don't worry there are many things I don't really have insight into however I don't claim that I do to appear knowledgeable :2 cents:

crockett 07-24-2014 05:54 PM

It's funny and sad to watch how far to the right extreme the GOP has become. Things that even Republicans used to think were insane are now mainstream in their party.

All this because a black man got elected twice into the white house. Obama has destroyed the Republican party by driving them absolutely bat shit crazy.

I wonder what would happen if a person of Arabic descent were able to win the presidency or better yet some Mexican immigrant's son whom was born in the US. The heads exploding would show up on seismic charts. :1orglaugh

Alex1776 07-24-2014 05:56 PM

It's fucking 109° in the valley today, fuck you climate change deniers!

twinvisible 07-24-2014 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20169312)
'I can't figure out how to make a living but I understand all about world events'

Are you stating it's not possible for one to be functional in one area (well versed on world events, history, etc.) and non-functional in another ("making a living" which is subjective)?

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20169312)
don't worry there are many things I don't really have insight into however I don't claim that I do to appear knowledgeable :2 cents:

But climate science is in your wheelhouse? Why not take up the $10k challenge over at Salon then? It seems you're a natural at climate science or the conspiracy behind it... easy money for you then right?

dyna mo 07-24-2014 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 20169215)
There's no better way to show the World you don't really understand science than to make a silly statement like this.

Let me give you a quick little lesson. Instead of typing it out, I'm just going to cut and paste somebody else's words.

There is reason I replied to that post the way i did and it has zero to do with your professor atom c&p.


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