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dyna mo 07-24-2014 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20168783)
FYI: Russian government has never been located in Kremlin. It's located here:

http://www.moshol.ru/photos/ndpf.jpg

Kremlin is a historical object (you can visit it as a tourists). Also it's a place where Russian president works :winkwink:

Do you really think that some of Putin's team is sitting in Kremlin and trying to edit Wikipedia? Seriously?
I was not aware of that. So how do you account for the wiki edit and IP?

dyna mo 07-24-2014 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20168756)
http://books.google.ca/books?id=_Ryb...eiling&f=false

shows three variants, one having a service ceiling of 10km

next
Nice work on this.

Trying to add:
I wonder how the specs on the k version vary from the specs on the specific version shown.

ZiggiZiggiCrew 07-24-2014 09:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberseo (Post 20168745)
lol, i see putin sitting at the computer and editing wikipedia :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh
не, это Медведев с айфона хуячил :) айпи прямо на площади между Кремлевским дворцом съезда и Арсеналом.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmcontent (Post 20168799)
I do and already explained you above.

Su-25M1 (10k)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force

http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakos...hnika/84-cy-25

Su-25S has a ?Service Ceiling? of 10,000m

Su-25
Su-25UB
Su-25K
Su-25UTG
Su-25M1
Su-25UBM1

and i don't even wanna bother with the rest, or what sort of upgrades occured at the end of 2011, while this wiki is pulling from pre-2011.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 09:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20168805)
Nice work on this.

Trying to add:
I wonder how the specs on the k version vary from the specs on the specific version shown.
damn things are about as old as i am.. i am just picturing some slack jawed yokel with a magic wrench that can make these things breath fire

MaDalton 07-24-2014 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20168792)
this started with no jets at all.. now there is jets, but they don't fly that high.. now they will fly that high, only briefly, and finally, there is different variants that have no problem flying that high.

i am not sure how customized these planes are.. do you have further info on that?
so far i dont even believe there was a jet

i have no reason to believe anything else than even that Strelkow dude posted himself and then quickly deleted: they thought they shot down an ukrainian transporter plane

just a punk 07-24-2014 10:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20168802)
I was not aware of that. So how do you account for the wiki edit and IP?
Have no idea. Perhaps it's a joke of the Wikipedia team, no? :) I mean the guys that have access to the databases.

just a punk 07-24-2014 10:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20168823)
so far i dont even believe there was a jet
This:

http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/...0/tankwing.jpg

Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20168823)
i have no reason to believe anything else than even that Strelkow dude posted himself and then quickly deleted: they thought they shot down an ukrainian transporter plane
They thought they shot down an ukrainian transporter plane and ukraininan Su-25. They told they shot down TWO planes.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20168823)
so far i dont even believe there was a jet

i have no reason to believe anything else than even that Strelkow dude posted himself and then quickly deleted: they thought they shot down an ukrainian transporter plane
hey fair enough

dyna mo 07-24-2014 10:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20168825)
Have no idea. Perhaps it's a joke of the Wikipedia team, no? :) I mean the guys that have access to the databases.
Those db admins are quite the anti-russian jokers!

Either way, i am glad putin is de-escalating the situation. Yall need to wrap it up and return to peace in that region.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 10:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20168841)

Either way, i am glad putin is de-escalating the situation. Yall need to wrap it up and return to peace in that region.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/giphymedia/...r9eg/giphy.gif

Ferus 07-24-2014 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20168618)
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/492303929418719233



It's quite obvious why Ukraine refuses to hand over the recording of control-tower-to-pilot conversations to the international experts.
nice boobs!! Whats her instagram?

shit, she is married
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBQKh6KJ4r8

just a punk 07-24-2014 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20168841)
Either way, i am glad putin is de-escalating the situation. Yall need to wrap it up and return to peace in that region.
Indeed :2 cents: I just have some serious doubts regarding his power on the situation there. When Putin has asked these DNR guys to postpone with the referendum, they simple told him to go fuck himself. Just sayin'...

crockett 07-24-2014 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CAHEK (Post 20168627)
I will be not surprised if Ukrainian Fighter Jet was hiding above Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
I would not be surprised if a dumb drunk Russian shot down the plane by mistake.. Oh wai.. That's what happened..

just a punk 07-24-2014 11:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20168802)
I was not aware of that.
As you may know, Moscow never sleeps and the Russian government too.. :winkwink:





:pimp

Dmcontent 07-24-2014 01:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20168818)
Su-25M1 (10k)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force

http://en.uos.ua/produktsiya/aviakos...hnika/84-cy-25

Su-25S has a ?Service Ceiling? of 10,000m

Su-25
Su-25UB
Su-25K
Su-25UTG
Su-25M1
Su-25UBM1

and i don't even wanna bother with the rest, or what sort of upgrades occured at the end of 2011, while this wiki is pulling from pre-2011.

Except for the SU-25TM that was supposed to become SU-39 but was never built in large scale and only Russia has few of them none of the others SU-25 can fly higher then 7 000 meters due to some designs issues that will not discuss here.

Look at the builder website they even state their latest model which is the K will not go above 7 000 meters empty.. never mind with weapons.

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 01:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmcontent (Post 20169010)
Except for the SU-25TM that was supposed to become SU-39 but was never built in large scale and only Russia has few of them none of the others SU-25 can fly higher then 7 000 meters due to some designs issues that will not discuss here.

Look at the builder website they even state their latest model which is the K will not go above 7 000 meters empty.. never mind with weapons.
you have mentioned you are a pilot.. oh, i believe 18 times now

what is the difference between a service ceiling and a maximum ceiling?

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 01:40 PM
oh! my mistake, 'absolute ceiling'.

btw, you said 'non other' can fly at 10m, but Su-25M1 has a service ceiling at 10m.. is this another plane with multiple designations?

aka123 07-24-2014 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20169035)
what is the difference between a service ceiling and a maximum ceiling?
I can say that I confused those two, but catching jet plane above you is not very easy if you have small rate of climb, as you would have above service ceiling (until it's finally 0). And the planes controllability weakens also.

directfiesta 07-24-2014 01:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20168629)
Hamas regularly uses human shields and the anti-West rejoices. Now Ukraine may use human shields and the anti-West cries.

With that said, I do not support the use of human shields by any party and the party that uses human shields is as guilty, if not more guilty, than the party attacking them. It's despicable, really, regardless of who is doing it.
Yep, the sky is as crowded as Gaza .... dense .... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

_Richard_ 07-24-2014 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20169045)
I can say that I confused those two, but catching jet plane above you is not very easy if you have small rate of climb, as you would have above service ceiling (until it's finally 0). And the planes controllability weakens also.
interesting the coincidence of being told to remain at 32k feet, when that seems to be the max operating ceiling of for different versions of these jets

just a punk 07-24-2014 01:53 PM
The GFY pilot experts in action :thumbsup :)

just a punk 07-25-2014 12:56 AM
A new version just came up: https://translate.google.com/transla...%2F&edit-text=

just a punk 07-25-2014 01:14 AM
The most important part of the article:

Quote:
He could not tell why there was an unauthorized missile launch. "This issue is SBU, which are about half nine in the evening took the battery commander with the crew," - said the source.
Now sum it up with Russian reports about outstanding activity of the Ukrainian SAM's in that area - 8 "Купол" system were active right at the same time when MH17 was shot down. And they were the first ones who reported that the plane was shot down with a BUK system. That's very interesting, isn't it?

This is why I'm still giving 50/50 to both: Ukrainian rebels and Ukrainian army (the masters of shooting at civilian planes during the exercises).

<popcorn mode on>

Dmcontent 07-25-2014 03:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20169035)
you have mentioned you are a pilot.. oh, i believe 18 times now

what is the difference between a service ceiling and a maximum ceiling?
First is not called maximum ceiling itīs absolute ceiling.

Service ceiling is the altitude airplanes are designed to fly safely

Absolute ceiling is max altitude an airplane can fly check also coffin corner.

Check on the links what happen when any aircraft flies at their limit service ceiling just bellow absolute ceiling.

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2007/aar0701.pdf

Easier read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacl...es_Flight_3701

Any variant of SU-25 (except TM) will stall into a flat spin like a mofo at around 8 000 meters and due to itīs high wing design is not easy to recover.

Enough said do you know or at least have knowledge that Nato studies in deep each military equipment Russia has and the other way also applies.

Dmcontent 07-25-2014 03:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20169568)
The most important part of the article:



Now sum it up with Russian reports about outstanding activity of the Ukrainian SAM's in that area - 8 "Купол" system were active right at the same time when MH17 was shot down. And they were the first ones who reported that the plane was shot down with a BUK system. That's very interesting, isn't it?

This is why I'm still giving 50/50 to both: Ukrainian rebels and Ukrainian army (the masters of shooting at civilian planes during the exercises).

<popcorn mode on>

The first one to report the crash was Putin on a call to Obama.

just a punk 07-25-2014 04:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmcontent (Post 20169676)
The first one to report the crash was Putin on a call to Obama.
O' rly?

_Richard_ 07-25-2014 09:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmcontent (Post 20169674)
First is not called maximum ceiling itīs absolute ceiling.

Service ceiling is the altitude airplanes are designed to fly safely

Absolute ceiling is max altitude an airplane can fly check also coffin corner.

Check on the links what happen when any aircraft flies at their limit service ceiling just bellow absolute ceiling.

http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2007/aar0701.pdf

Easier read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacl...es_Flight_3701

Any variant of SU-25 (except TM) will stall into a flat spin like a mofo at around 8 000 meters and due to itīs high wing design is not easy to recover.

Enough said do you know or at least have knowledge that Nato studies in deep each military equipment Russia has and the other way also applies.
except TM and M1.. i didn't check the rest

Barry-xlovecam 07-25-2014 10:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20168783)
[D]o you really think that some of Putin's team is sitting in Kremlin and trying to edit Wikipedia? Seriously?
You really don't believe that every government's ''spooks'' aren't playing with (attempting to alter or manipulate) the news or the Internet references like Wikipedia -- are you that naive?

The NSA is probably competing with MI5 to hear Putin's cellphone when he flushes the crapper after he takes a shit.

just a punk 07-25-2014 10:23 AM
Aha, and they are posting to Wikipedia from their real IP's. LOL ))))

Barry-xlovecam 07-25-2014 10:26 AM
Even if a Ukraine fighter jet hid in the shadow of a commercial aircraft I fail to see that as a justification or an "exigent circumstance" as excuse or justification to shoot down a civilian aircraft.

"Sorry, we killed 288 people by mistake ... OOPs"

They could have waited until they had a clear shot at the military fighter aircraft -- "they (to be determined exactly who)" fucked up and 288 civilians died from their act no matter how you try to spin it.

Barry-xlovecam 07-25-2014 10:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20170134)
Aha, and they are posting to Wikipedia from their real IP's. LOL ))))
It really was the CIA or Mossad forging the headers -- LOL good point ...

just a punk 07-25-2014 10:30 AM
Inside the Kremlin wall:

http://www.goldmr.ru/excursii/kremlin6.jpg

http://cdn1.img22.ria.ru/images/97619/43/976194327.jpg

http://www.stranatur.ru/cms_files/Image/kremlin-06.jpg

http://kazan-kremlin.ru/images/tour/...tours/ex06.jpg

http://alkupone.ru/system/picture/18...10.850x850.jpg

http://s3.cdn.new.kingcoupon.ru/file...3865636930.jpg

Here is a 50% coupon for a Kremlin tour: http://kingcoupon.ru/offer/6924/ - pay only 2900 (less than $100 USD) rubles instead of 6000 :pimp

Antonio 07-25-2014 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20170155)
Mullets - just as Russian as a carpet on the wall

aka123 07-25-2014 10:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20170155)
And here are the guys that paid that. Fancy though.

http://www.samefacts.com/wp-content/...a_by_repin.jpg

just a punk 07-25-2014 10:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 20170162)
Mullets - just as Russian as a carpet on the wall
Exactly :thumbsup

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0SDU29meF_...ris+Mullet.png

just a punk 07-25-2014 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170170)
And here are the guys that paid that. Fancy though.

http://www.samefacts.com/wp-content/...a_by_repin.jpg
They are here, dude: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%...B7%D0%B5%D0%B9 :pimp

aka123 07-25-2014 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20170181)
Do you understand that we don't speak Russian, or at least majority of us don't. Clicking that English button before posting Wikipedia links does a favor for all of us.

I don't post stuff with my own language, that would be Swahili-Somalian slang from Klingon, makes just as much sense as Russian. :)

I know only one sentence that fairly depicts Russian.

just a punk 07-25-2014 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170202)
Do you understand that we don't speak Russian
Who are "we"? I have no idea who are you and where you are from. If you don't understand Russian, use Google Translate (thank me later).

Quote:
Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20170202)
I don't post stuff with my own language, that would be Swahili-Somalian slang from Klingon
Tы индyc чтоле? :)

aka123 07-25-2014 11:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20170208)
Who are "we"?
Other board users, thank you very much. Quite many have announced their location and the board's common language is English, although we could as well be Indians based on that, but nevertheless, they do speak English.

aka123 07-25-2014 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20170208)
Tы индyc чтоле? :)
Even Google translate didn't recognize this.

just a punk 07-25-2014 11:20 AM
Shit happens :)

BaldBastard 07-25-2014 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20168618)
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/492303929418719233



It's quite obvious why Ukraine refuses to hand over the recording of control-tower-to-pilot conversations to the international experts.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/25/wo...html?hpt=hp_c1

same chick?
Is she a Russian army movie star or something?

BaldBastard 07-25-2014 08:05 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/ass...-story-top.jpg

"I'm from Russia, from Kuban, I'm 23 years old, I used to work at a rescue organization and I got here because I couldn't stay out of the situation," Marina said."

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/25/wo...nn-disqus-area

ZiggiZiggiCrew 07-25-2014 10:29 PM
more rebels

http://rusvesna.su/sites/default/fil...?itok=0y-UW2_n

https://pp.vk.me/c616025/v616025558/...DKlLh51Pig.jpg

http://swip.su/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/3783931.jpg

http://bm.img.com.ua/berlin/storage/...862d6c1cc4.jpg

rebel from Germany
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rOoKledYzqU/0.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...c7aBRJ1Vxcm0pQ

http://buzznews.ru/wp-content/upload...Respubliki.jpg

http://ostrana.ru/cache/uploads/pict...2d-764x430.jpg

WDF 07-25-2014 10:31 PM
Fixed that for you.:thumbsup

EngineCash 07-28-2014 05:30 AM
Life of all those struggling people are really sad... They are not guilty for anything, but those tragedies can't not pass by them... :( Hold on, all of you brave people there...


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