They were in peace with germany at this time
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov...ibbentrop_Pact

also read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

About the "Crimean crisis". Haven't you heard about politics? As there are no formal war declaration it would be politically kinda hard to call it as a war. Even the president of Estonia said about current developments in Ukraine that "Normally this would be called as war." Russia hides in the shadows of uncertainty.

And what that nuke issue got's to do with what I just said? Nothing. I said that there are nukes all over the world and those presence is not act of war. Using them against someone is.

And I am through with this issue about Germany. Think whatever you want about the Yugoslavian campaign, that was backed by UN, where also Russia had it's vote about it, and it didn't vote against the campaign.

Lol, I wasn't expecting someone is actually reading what I am writing.
You didn't understand my sentence there, I am talking about German attack on Poland. Since guy is saying that Russians are threat because of that , but somehow he forgot that Germany attacked Poland first:

"On 17 September, sixteen days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviet Union did so from the east. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland



It was done by soviets and head of operation was Georgian , Lavrentiy Beria and his chief Josef Stalin, also Georgian.

But yet, people are blaming Russians. Very simple to understand. (same those Georgians that were in war with Russia back in 2008)

Pressure and pressure, I am more concerned about the actions. You can talk as much about pressure, bases and such, but only Russia has recently materialized it's threat.

Soviet Union did split up Poland with Nazi-Germany in their peace agreement, and both invaded after that to take their own half. Just like they agreed. So, no evil surprise attacks in there, except for Poland.

Here?s my woman?s perspective and I?ll throw in my mindset as a bonus. Compassion and the potential to be violent are not mutually exclusive. I end threats with sound judgment. You?re right. I don?t get all that emotion. Anyone that presents a threat to me, I?ll coolly end his or her life.

Let?s see who really stands where. I?ll show you mine then you show me yours. Here?s how I ?prepare to kill.? A .45 Judge Public Defender that shoots .410 slugs or .45 Colt long rounds, two 1911s, a Glock 40 that shoots hollow points and a Glock 9 that will fuck you up with the ammo I pack in it.

Now let?s see what your testosterone and adrenaline have prepared in your defense. The prosecution rests.

http://linkification.com/www/gun_walk.jpg

If you haven't yet realized, I don't live in US, and outside US weapon arsenals are usually forbidden. Although I am trained soldier (not profession) and I possess some hunting and sport shooting guns. I won't list those in here.

This isn't some competition about guns or braveness or anything. I just told you some biological facts. If I have to defence myself, I preferably do it as a part of well trained army, and not some Rambo style.

I've gave you "western "source so you can't blame it on politics and propaganda. Everything else is your personal opinion, that is not backing official categorazation

Estonia? Lol...NATO memeber with population of 1.3 millions people.

What are you talking about? All what I was telling from the beginning is that army without nukes can be considered regional power (maximum) and not a serious army. I've asked from you to give me list of countries (with nukes) that someone tried to conquer. You failed to do so. That was just example of what I ve said. that is all.

Like everything said in your previous posts, this is also not true and it is twisting of real situation.

The NATO bombing campaign has remained controversial, as it did not gain the approval of the UN Security Council.[61]

Russia strongly condemned the campaign. The president Boris Yeltsin stated that, 'Russia is deeply upset by NATO's military action against sovereign Yugoslavia, which is nothing more than open aggression.'[197] They also condemned NATO at the United Nations saying that NATO air strikes on Serbia were 'an illegal action.'[203] Some Russians volunteered to go to Kosovo, not only to fight the KLA, but also to oppose NATO.[204]

So , this was NATO (western) idea of avoiding UN council. It was extreme mistake but it came from arrogance and western highhandedness. So Russians are threat while NATO put complete international law down. Because of this , now we have situations you are referring to (shady actions , hidden operations,etc...)

I would have placed the explosive to the left of the table leg and not the right

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...27_634x498.jpg

What threat, not sure about what example you are talking about.
And what about questions I've gave to you in previous posts. You will just ignore them ?

It's my personal opinion (the war), so what? And why you keep talking about those nukes? To what does that relate? Do I start talking about salad dressings? And if no one tries to conquer nuke countries, why you are so concerned about NATO? You have nukes in Russia, right?

About the Yugoslavia bombings, as far it goes with Wikipedia, there even wasn't Germans much involved. Besides the bombing, the peace keeping operations had UN approval.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

Oh, because of this? That's nice one.

well I would have some goons throw you in a trunk and quiz you on WW2 history. if you cant fire anything larger a slingshot I don't think you get a say.

Yep, I think i will start to ignore some more. I said many posts ago that this has gone pretty pointless.

Glad you agree but it is too late. Normal people knew immediately what will happen if UN is skipped. But one more NATO base had to be there to control region and go further toward East (read it,Russia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

really im just seeing how much fun I could have with you. and how good of a sport you are capable of being. :0

We have a gun or two in the army, and my personal guns are enough big to kill large mammals, so smallers mammals like humans shouldn't be problem.

Also stockpiling guns doesn't do anything, except the stockpile. It is mostly US phenomenon to have bunch of big ass guns at home to feel safe. Outside US we have a thing called as community and we fight together as a united force.

Regardless Wikipedia, I guess you should know stuff like that if you are already talking about geopolitics and have such strong opinion. Anyway : " In 1999, the Federal Republic of Germany participated in NATO's air campaign Operation Allied Force against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. It was the first offensive combat mission in the history of the country"

If you think I am giving false info (like you did about or something like that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Air_Force and look under engagements. Nothing new for me so wikipedia is just for people like you.

Peace keeping operation? You are really missing some info,aren't you? Ok let me help you understand what peace was keeped there and what happened under UN mission : 230,000 Kosovo Serb, Romani and other non-Albanian civilians displaced,all under UN (NATO ,since Russians left years ago) care.

Aren't you being a bit sadistic now?

Oh here we ago again. They did it why can't we? If everyone in a country killed themselves would everyone there do it also?

Dude real shitty example being that Afghanistan was Russia's Viet Nam.

To use your own words Russia did it first. And you got your asses handed to you by people the US removed from power, what the fuck is up with that.

What does this matter unless you have a plan for world domination and expansionism.

Is Russia planning on annexing my territory?

I already corrected the thing about Germany, but nevertheless, it wasn't major involving party, besides the use of German airfields.

And peace keeping operation is peace keeping operation. I didn't say anything about results. Those operations were/ are called at that name.

Fucking georgians, we should sacage willy

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/wp-con...ili-hungry.jpg

Well ,ignoring is only thing left once I showed you next :

1. that nukes are important factor to be safe and that you can't give me list of countries with nukes that were tried to be conquered.

2. after you failed to tell me how German was in jeopardy in 1999 so they had to protect Germany and attack country almost 1k km away.

3. once I've gave you official definition of war you insisted it is not good and that everything is said in first sentence ( and definition have few paragraphs)

4. after you failed to show me photos or videos of deaths, extreme violence or destruction in Crimea "war"

5. that Crimean crysis is official definition of events there and not war ,like you are insisting it is.

6. that Germany actually first attacked Poland while you were using fact that Russia attacked them as proof of Russian threat.

7. That Cuban Missle crysis was not military operation even if I showed you that US military put blocade and Russian military was trying to sneak nukes.

8. You failed to answer my question " where I said that Germany don't have right to defent itself"

9. To answer a question " How many NATO bases are worldwide and how many Russian?

10. That Russia didn't oppose attack on Yugoslavia (against UN rules) but I 've gave you their official statement condemning that "illegal action" and called it "open aggression" (read about Slatine airfield landing by Russian paratropers)

And much more that you can find if you read own posts.

Yeah, like bombing was "merciful" and peopole are "collateral damage" ...hypocrisy is terrible thing. It was not peace kepping but establishing ethnic smooth ethnic cleaning of not muslim citizens.

And you are talking about war and you can't handle ethnic cleaning? ( and now I am talking about that one back in 2004, almost 4 years after peace keeping mission was established):

http://www.pecat.co.rs/2010/03/17-ma...ckog-ciscenja/

The point I was making is how many scenarios went on like that everyday. respect and honor must be shown to those who suffered much more than they had coming. I was hoping you could relate how hard it would be to look the child you nurtured in the eyes and tell them we are lambs for slaughter. If I had to say that to the 4 people I would die for I cant say it would be easy. I don't want all that pain to be forgotten. It is our history and we should learn from this insanity. it is as relevant today as it was 65 years ago.

No, it was not the point, but I guess it is too complicated for you to follow.



You are missing it completely, those were his stupid examples for completely another thing. better first finish what you started here: https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1145598&page=9 instead of running away after getting last info that doesn't suit your views.



I wouldn't know but I guess Russia is so huge and they don't need rednecks at all.

It would be hard, but you missed my point too. I would be busy thinking how we all could get alive from that shit, instead of telling some result, that I am busy avoiding.

And if this were somekind of competition, we (undefined) got enough shit during WWII, both of my grandfathers fought, although either died and good that way (one wounded badly). And since I am soldier too (not profession), participating in a war is always a possibility. Even my grandmother participated in military duties, although not at frontline.

war is always worst thing to do.

You are so full of shit your eyes, ears, and hair must be brown.

Do you really believe the rest of the world is not intelligent enough to understand you or is it because what you say is bullshit. Because people do not agree with your position you claim they are stupid or do not understand, we understand and call you on the bullshit.

I used your own words and reasoning to your examples and because I am using them instead of you they are wrong, really?

You can try to say your gov't was run by Georgians or aliens for that matter, it was the govt of your territory at that time, that makes it your govt. You can not have it both ways to suit your needs or point.

Comrade I do not run from anything. I said what I needed to say in that thread and you tried to do the spin thing as usual. Most of us know whatever we say if it is not pro-Russian you and the rest of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) are going to try and spin it. Your Pal "Colonel Slanders" has me on ignore why don't you do the same if you do not like what I post.

Keep at it though, the more people see what you are and what you stand for the less welcome you and your ideas become.

You can try to justify or excuse things to yourself but I doubt you will convince many others. Your comrades were quick to claim responsibility when they thought it was a military plane and went into cover up and deflect blame mode when they realized it was a civilian plane. I suppose the pro-Russian rebels did not disturb the remains and rob the dead either, I am sure it was the Ukrainian citizens they were trying to liberate. Typical, never accepting responsibility and always deflecting.

Rednecks know what bullshit smells like that is why they avoid Russia, not because it is huge or great or any other glorification you want to try and use for it.

Now stop trying to derail this thread topic with your bullshit. Go tell your stories on a Russian board where they might believe them. I missed nothing, neither did anyone else with an opinion you do not share, you and your friends consistently try to make it any one else's responsibility because you refuse to take any yourselves.

Don't your models have handcuffs, ask them to use them so you can control yourself at the keyboard.

Don't know about the rest of the world but you seems like dumbest person here. Threatening, insulting and not even capable to understand that I am not Russian. If you do not understand that after all that effort you put here , how you can understand something more complicated like why I've used that example? I do not expect in a same way as I don't expect that you will get back on that topic there ,where from you run away,suddenly.

I'd say Germany. Instead of having a war on two fronts I'd team up with Soviet Union, easily finish metropolitan UK, then US, then we would've divide the world.

They did team up, so maybe there is some flaw in your plan?

I am glad that we got this one settled. So it wasn't the Germans who did all the nasty stuff on that side. It was that one motherfucking Austrian. :)

And Putin is some Leningradian, who has just migrated into Moscow. And he is not even from Russia, he is from Soviet Union, damn you. :)

He was German born In Austria, while Stalin was Georgian born in Georgia.
Maybe it is too complicated for you to understand but Soviet Union consisted from 14 today's countries and Russia was one of them. Stalin killed around 20 millions of people in Soviet Union. (if figures are good). You mentioned Estonia today, logic you are using means that Estonians are to blame since it was their leader like it was for Russians. Silly, isn't it?

Soviet Union:

Armenia
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Estonia
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Russia
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan

Hitler was Austrian, there is no doubt about that. Although they are quite similar countries, but still. Stalin spoke Russia, right? Capital was in Moscow, right? Communism got started in Russia, Leningrad and Moscow being key areas, right? These key areas fought against other, future to be parts of Soviet Union, right (in so called civil war)?

If I remember correctly Stalin invaded and annexed Estonia well after he came into power and the establishment of Soviet Union.

Nah, they didn't. here's the history lesson, you can verify it online in wiki for example.

When Germany attacked Poland in 1939 (who, itself, prior to this occupied a piece of Czechoslovakia when Germans invaded Chechs in 1938 and didn't allow the USSR army to pass through Poland to help Czechoslovakia), USSR took a chance to retook Western Ukraine and Belorussia from convulsing Poland, as these areas were lost to Poland in 1920th after the Revolution, split of Russian Empire, WWI defeat which resulted in Brest Peace accord with the germans and 4 years long Civil War. That's all.
Then Germans invaded USSR in 1941, so called 'Operation Barbarossa'. This was the mistake I would've fix. Instead of that the germans shoud have finish Britain - the last hostile state in Europe. I'm pretty sure all British colonial armies in Africa and Asia would've capitulated as soon as London got taken. Without any hostile states in rear, with the whole European manufacturing and scientific power, with USSR manpower and resources ready, all the world would lie at our boots in just a few years. Unfortunatelly Hitler was an anglophyle, he overestimated power and will of UK and greatly underestimated power of USSR.

this thread makes my head hurt

They did.

"The Molotov?Ribbentrop Pact, named after the Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov and the Nazi German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, officially the Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,[a] and also known as the Ribbentrop?Molotov Pact or Nazi?Soviet Pact, was a non-aggression pact signed in Moscow in the late hours of 23 August 1939."

"In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland into Nazi and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. Thereafter, Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. After the Soviet-Japanese ceasefire agreement took effect on 16 September, Stalin ordered his own invasion of Poland on 17 September.[3] Part of southeastern (Karelia) and Salla region in Finland were annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. This was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertza region.

The pact remained in force until the German government broke it by invading the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov...ibbentrop_Pact

Yeah i know aboult Molotov-Ribbentrop. But bar the habitual partition of Poland there weren't any real joint actions of Germany and USSR. This treaty was all but useless for both states. This was not 'ally' pact but more like 'you do what you want and I do what I want' thing.
This was the mistake. Invasion to the USSR was the mistake, leaving Britain behind unpunished and just enraged by bombings was the mistake. Both countries should've worked closely together, like Allies did after the real war started.

We vould've lived in a wholly different world now, probably much better for the most than it is.

Austrians are ethnic Germans(insofar as ethnicities exist), they speak German, and Hitler was a pan German integral nationalist. Most Germans of that era wouldn't have viewed Hitler as a foreigner by blood but rather by accident of German unification.

Is this correct regarding your opinion?

Hitler was born in the border town with Germany and was German citizen when he became chancellor that lead world war in the name of his (German -Austrian Aryan race).

Anyway, I've mentioned Estonia because you were talking about it today, but it can easily be any other of Soviet states. Why you say that Stalin was Russian and he was not Russian by the origin or by his name or ever declared himself as Russian? Russia was one of countries there (that suffered a lot from communist rule). Why don't you say that Stalin was Ukrainian since Ukraine was part of Soviet Union in a same way as Russia was. Place any of those 14 counted above if you don't like how it sounds with Ukraine.

And when you are saying where communism started and mentioned Russia, be chancellor and go to the very beginning and blame Germans, since Carl Marx was purely German.That would be fair

Not so useless I think, because Stalin bought some time and organized production of war machinery since he knew what are Germans up to

Sure, for USSR it saved a bit of time to modernize army. For Germany it was useless.

I don't think so.

Yeah, debatable of course. But after the death of Hitler and Stalin all the extremities of both regimes would've leveled down to more or less current levels of aggression and cruelty. With Germany, Russia and japan ruling the world we probably could have created Nietzsche's world order based on idea of 'culture' instead of 'civilization'. Tens of millions of people would have left alive in Europe and USSR, cities unbroken, people less bitter than they became after the War and many other things that could've contributed to different, better and more fair world order. Of course this is no more than speculations on a internet porn board.

Apart your shitty English, yes, I agree. Hitler was culturally German and so on, but not by nationality as he was Austrian.

Russia was in the rule of another Soviet states and it also was shown in the usage of troops. People from states those were kept as not Russian and as "lessen people", were used without hesitation for most shitty missions. As you guys are today beating immigrants in Moscow, although they are fellow Russians by nationality.

So, maybe Stalin didn't kept himself as a Russian, I don't know about his personal opinions regarding that matter, but he kept rule for Russians.

And besides that, we have always called you Russians, you weren't some Soviet Unionans, or what ever, just Russians.

Oh I see, my shitty English is real reason why you don't answer to all those questions above.

This is true just as other things you told today (like official definition of war is not good,to show me where I said that Germany have no right to defend, missed to show me photos and videos from Crimean "war",that Russia supported war on Yugoslavia...).

Rule of Russians and yet he somehow killed between 20 and 30 millions of people inside country? something is not logical there. Only important is that he was paranoid maniac that want to stay on power and he didn't choose who will be killed and where is he coming from.

I was born and live 1170 km far from closest Russian land so you got something wrong there when you say " you Russians"..and yet such superficiality in giving names to anyone is something I wouldn't be proud of.

Here is about the beatings in Moscow.

http://observers.france24.com/conten...oit-immigrants

Stalin of course did everything he could to stay in power. Still, it is no secret that "lessen" Soviet people got shitty treatment during war. Maybe not by Stalin, but by someone.

You are not Russian? Or are you like Hitler, not exactly German, because he was Austrian, but still German. :)

You at least seem like Russian.

didn't read lol ;)

but would definitely choose USA
so i can bang Rita Haywort
and drive Buick Roadmaster ;)

I guess I am missing point with that video, but ok.
And I wouldn't comment speculations abut more or less soviets,like you should not if you are not sure was that Stalin or anyone else and if you don't have exact examples. But it is up to you.

No, I am not Russian and if you someone categorize as Russian just for not agreeing with you and responding with facts, for me it looks racial segregation (that was strongest in Germany in modern history)

I don't know about the video, haven't watched it. Read the words. I have exact examples about "asian/mongol looking" looking guys used brutally. Was it Stalin or not, who cares, there was not CSI investigating it.

You are so pro-Russian and give put up so much effort to boost some real bullshit, that it's hard to believe that someone not Russian would do so.