They did team up, so maybe there is some flaw in your plan?

I am glad that we got this one settled. So it wasn't the Germans who did all the nasty stuff on that side. It was that one motherfucking Austrian. :)

And Putin is some Leningradian, who has just migrated into Moscow. And he is not even from Russia, he is from Soviet Union, damn you. :)

He was German born In Austria, while Stalin was Georgian born in Georgia.
Maybe it is too complicated for you to understand but Soviet Union consisted from 14 today's countries and Russia was one of them. Stalin killed around 20 millions of people in Soviet Union. (if figures are good). You mentioned Estonia today, logic you are using means that Estonians are to blame since it was their leader like it was for Russians. Silly, isn't it?

Soviet Union:

Armenia
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Estonia
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Russia
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan

Hitler was Austrian, there is no doubt about that. Although they are quite similar countries, but still. Stalin spoke Russia, right? Capital was in Moscow, right? Communism got started in Russia, Leningrad and Moscow being key areas, right? These key areas fought against other, future to be parts of Soviet Union, right (in so called civil war)?

If I remember correctly Stalin invaded and annexed Estonia well after he came into power and the establishment of Soviet Union.

Nah, they didn't. here's the history lesson, you can verify it online in wiki for example.

When Germany attacked Poland in 1939 (who, itself, prior to this occupied a piece of Czechoslovakia when Germans invaded Chechs in 1938 and didn't allow the USSR army to pass through Poland to help Czechoslovakia), USSR took a chance to retook Western Ukraine and Belorussia from convulsing Poland, as these areas were lost to Poland in 1920th after the Revolution, split of Russian Empire, WWI defeat which resulted in Brest Peace accord with the germans and 4 years long Civil War. That's all.
Then Germans invaded USSR in 1941, so called 'Operation Barbarossa'. This was the mistake I would've fix. Instead of that the germans shoud have finish Britain - the last hostile state in Europe. I'm pretty sure all British colonial armies in Africa and Asia would've capitulated as soon as London got taken. Without any hostile states in rear, with the whole European manufacturing and scientific power, with USSR manpower and resources ready, all the world would lie at our boots in just a few years. Unfortunatelly Hitler was an anglophyle, he overestimated power and will of UK and greatly underestimated power of USSR.

this thread makes my head hurt

They did.

"The Molotov?Ribbentrop Pact, named after the Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov and the Nazi German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, officially the Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,[a] and also known as the Ribbentrop?Molotov Pact or Nazi?Soviet Pact, was a non-aggression pact signed in Moscow in the late hours of 23 August 1939."

"In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland into Nazi and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating potential "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. Thereafter, Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. After the Soviet-Japanese ceasefire agreement took effect on 16 September, Stalin ordered his own invasion of Poland on 17 September.[3] Part of southeastern (Karelia) and Salla region in Finland were annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. This was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertza region.

The pact remained in force until the German government broke it by invading the Soviet Union on 22 June 1941."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov...ibbentrop_Pact

Yeah i know aboult Molotov-Ribbentrop. But bar the habitual partition of Poland there weren't any real joint actions of Germany and USSR. This treaty was all but useless for both states. This was not 'ally' pact but more like 'you do what you want and I do what I want' thing.
This was the mistake. Invasion to the USSR was the mistake, leaving Britain behind unpunished and just enraged by bombings was the mistake. Both countries should've worked closely together, like Allies did after the real war started.

We vould've lived in a wholly different world now, probably much better for the most than it is.

Austrians are ethnic Germans(insofar as ethnicities exist), they speak German, and Hitler was a pan German integral nationalist. Most Germans of that era wouldn't have viewed Hitler as a foreigner by blood but rather by accident of German unification.

Is this correct regarding your opinion?

Hitler was born in the border town with Germany and was German citizen when he became chancellor that lead world war in the name of his (German -Austrian Aryan race).

Anyway, I've mentioned Estonia because you were talking about it today, but it can easily be any other of Soviet states. Why you say that Stalin was Russian and he was not Russian by the origin or by his name or ever declared himself as Russian? Russia was one of countries there (that suffered a lot from communist rule). Why don't you say that Stalin was Ukrainian since Ukraine was part of Soviet Union in a same way as Russia was. Place any of those 14 counted above if you don't like how it sounds with Ukraine.

And when you are saying where communism started and mentioned Russia, be chancellor and go to the very beginning and blame Germans, since Carl Marx was purely German.That would be fair

Not so useless I think, because Stalin bought some time and organized production of war machinery since he knew what are Germans up to

Sure, for USSR it saved a bit of time to modernize army. For Germany it was useless.

I don't think so.

Yeah, debatable of course. But after the death of Hitler and Stalin all the extremities of both regimes would've leveled down to more or less current levels of aggression and cruelty. With Germany, Russia and japan ruling the world we probably could have created Nietzsche's world order based on idea of 'culture' instead of 'civilization'. Tens of millions of people would have left alive in Europe and USSR, cities unbroken, people less bitter than they became after the War and many other things that could've contributed to different, better and more fair world order. Of course this is no more than speculations on a internet porn board.

Apart your shitty English, yes, I agree. Hitler was culturally German and so on, but not by nationality as he was Austrian.

Russia was in the rule of another Soviet states and it also was shown in the usage of troops. People from states those were kept as not Russian and as "lessen people", were used without hesitation for most shitty missions. As you guys are today beating immigrants in Moscow, although they are fellow Russians by nationality.

So, maybe Stalin didn't kept himself as a Russian, I don't know about his personal opinions regarding that matter, but he kept rule for Russians.

And besides that, we have always called you Russians, you weren't some Soviet Unionans, or what ever, just Russians.

Oh I see, my shitty English is real reason why you don't answer to all those questions above.

This is true just as other things you told today (like official definition of war is not good,to show me where I said that Germany have no right to defend, missed to show me photos and videos from Crimean "war",that Russia supported war on Yugoslavia...).

Rule of Russians and yet he somehow killed between 20 and 30 millions of people inside country? something is not logical there. Only important is that he was paranoid maniac that want to stay on power and he didn't choose who will be killed and where is he coming from.

I was born and live 1170 km far from closest Russian land so you got something wrong there when you say " you Russians"..and yet such superficiality in giving names to anyone is something I wouldn't be proud of.

Here is about the beatings in Moscow.

http://observers.france24.com/conten...oit-immigrants

Stalin of course did everything he could to stay in power. Still, it is no secret that "lessen" Soviet people got shitty treatment during war. Maybe not by Stalin, but by someone.

You are not Russian? Or are you like Hitler, not exactly German, because he was Austrian, but still German. :)

You at least seem like Russian.

didn't read lol ;)

but would definitely choose USA
so i can bang Rita Haywort
and drive Buick Roadmaster ;)

I guess I am missing point with that video, but ok.
And I wouldn't comment speculations abut more or less soviets,like you should not if you are not sure was that Stalin or anyone else and if you don't have exact examples. But it is up to you.

No, I am not Russian and if you someone categorize as Russian just for not agreeing with you and responding with facts, for me it looks racial segregation (that was strongest in Germany in modern history)

I don't know about the video, haven't watched it. Read the words. I have exact examples about "asian/mongol looking" looking guys used brutally. Was it Stalin or not, who cares, there was not CSI investigating it.

You are so pro-Russian and give put up so much effort to boost some real bullshit, that it's hard to believe that someone not Russian would do so.

Actually Stauffenberg did place the bomb on Hitler's side of the table leg. Someone else moved it to the other side after Stauffenberg left the room.

Wouldn't have mattered anyway. By then, the Allies were demanding that Germany surrender unconditionally and even Hitler's would be assassins considered that to be an unacceptable demand.

LOL WUT? I've never seen anybody suggest the world would be a better place if Germany, Russia and Japan had become allies but then again I don't read Stormfront.

Never won a game of RISK, but that never discouraged me from always choosing Germany and Japan. I'll take a challenge over a safe bet anyday.

Didn't bother reading topic.

Comrade I never said you were Russian, I said you were part of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol), you post just as much Pro-Russian Horse Pucky as your friend "Colonel Slanders" does. :1orglaugh

No one said you had to be Russian to post like one. :thumbsup

Uruguay.

And don't give one shit whats going on.

to all of those who believe women cant touch you in the intelligence department let me leave you with this rhyme.

Then your girl saw me
I signed her tits
and she disappeared
you couldn't find that bitch
then your heart stopped
you know what time it is
I put my dick in her common sense
machine gun kelly

Cuba! Would be the perfect place for any ruler, any time.

Same answer for everything.

You are so fucking boring.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

POLAND! And i will not let the German troops pass by.
The war ends in Poland!!!