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aka123 08-02-2014 01:50 PM
The edit window came and went, so I made a new post. Paysite may also want to pay for PPS more than would be made from revshare, if the revshare doesn't make enough money for affiliates to attract affiliates. And having said that, I have chosen revshare if there have been option, but since I am new in this adult segment, I have no data from long time, but I have good faith for revshare.

suesheboy 08-02-2014 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20179657)
It's more often the big programs I find :2 cents:
Everyone I personally caught was big and very established.

aka123 08-02-2014 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 20179708)
Everyone I personally caught was big and very established.
So what indicated about this shaving (proof)?

fuzebox 08-02-2014 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20179637)
I don't think so. In the long run nobody pays for the customers more than they are worth of. Unless you manage to milk companies backed by investors with deep pockets, and find new ones when the old ones go out of business or start paying less.
The initial $29.95 membership is only part of the total lifetime value of the customer. CCBill programs tend to only pay 50-60% of that. Also cheap/free trials convert differently than full monthlies.

Everyone is free to push whoever they want, but I make more sending my traffic to the people that pay a lot for it up front. If worrying about using a third party for payments was an issue, I wouldn't send them any traffic to begin with.

fuzebox 08-02-2014 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20179682)
but since I am new in this adult segment, I have no data from long time, but I have good faith for revshare.
Thank you for your input :error

glowlite 08-02-2014 03:05 PM
:2 cents: Fuzebox FTW

aka123 08-02-2014 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 20179732)
The initial $29.95 membership is only part of the total lifetime value of the customer. CCBill programs tend to only pay 50-60% of that. Also cheap/free trials convert differently than full monthlies.
I am talking about the total value. And there is also trials for revshare (I am using those), but maybe not from CCBILL. And 50-60 % from the total value is enough for me, from that particular customer.

aka123 08-02-2014 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 20179733)
Thank you for your input :error
I have plenty of experience from business and I know that getting customers is more expensive than keeping them. Thus, I focus to the model where the same customers bring value for long time, although I have no control to it as a affiliate.

anexsia 08-02-2014 03:18 PM
I would worry more about companies that can't seem to pay on time (like months late) or not at all instead of shaving...if a program doesn't convert for me (whether it's my traffic, their website/tour, shaving, aliens, etc) then I just try out another one.

suesheboy 08-02-2014 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20179714)
So what indicated about this shaving (proof)?
I already posted. Signed up other people on their computers and shipped goods to their homes and never got paid. 3 pay site programs and 2 selling goods.

I also had inside info from a programmer after I dropped another program about how they shave. Had suspicion at the time but no solid proof.

I hope there is a special hell for programmers who cheat others.

Relentless 08-02-2014 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by glowlite (Post 20179751)
:2 cents: Fuzebox FTW
QFT /thread

xxxjay 08-02-2014 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 20178392)
Bottom line is I caught more than 1 program shaving in the past and have been burned by programs shutting their doors and not paying.

Jumping back into the game, I want to make sure I get what is due to me.

Is the only truly safe way not to get shaved (and be sure to be paid) through programs that use CCbill? Who else?

I have spoken to more than 1 program that is going to allow Google Analytics for white label sites for hard good being sold (already figured out how I could shave with that so I am sure other would be able to too). How safe do you think GA is? Any pay sites offering this? Am I being too paranoid?
Send traffic pay-per-click (see sig) - we also bill exclusively through CCBill, not that it matters...we already paid for the click. See stats in real time and try to break it...I dare you.

aka123 08-03-2014 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 20179788)
I already posted. Signed up other people on their computers and shipped goods to their homes and never got paid. 3 pay site programs and 2 selling goods.

I also had inside info from a programmer after I dropped another program about how they shave. Had suspicion at the time but no solid proof.

I hope there is a special hell for programmers who cheat others.
OK, I just hope that you guys did use your links corretcly, etc. Since you don't get money by just ordering stuff. :)

You never filed any criminal activity or lawsuit? I would have. Filing for a fraud would be easiest thing at least around here, since it won't cost a thing for you. Of course I wouldn't file anything without substantial proof, since I don't file lawsuits for fun or to tease others. But fuck, if I get screwed, I screw back.

Although good start would usually be contacting the company in question. Since not getting credited can occur for multiple of reasons.

adultmobile 08-03-2014 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20179424)
The only way to be 100% sure you are not shaved is to make your own site, do your own billing.
If you run your own program. then you will spend all your time in checking for fake/chargeback signups made by cheater affiliates. Only if you run both the program and you are your only affiliate, then you will sleep in peace, not afraid of frauds.

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Originally Posted by suesheboy (Post 20179788)
I also had inside info from a programmer after I dropped another program about how they shave. Had suspicion at the time but no solid proof.
I hope there is a special hell for programmers who cheat others.
I've setup a few programs in past 10 years (mostly cams) and I can tell that when hired programmer(s), who was into coding adult sites before, they asked me: "and what about the shaving system" - without me ask for it or imply I ever wanted to shave anyone.

suesheboy 08-03-2014 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by glowlite (Post 20179751)
:2 cents: Fuzebox FTW
I have no idea what this means

suesheboy 08-03-2014 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20180467)
If you run your own program. then you will spend all your time in checking for fake/chargeback signups made by cheater affiliates. Only if you run both the program and you are your only affiliate, then you will sleep in peace, not afraid of frauds.

I've setup a few programs in past 10 years (mostly cams) and I can tell that when hired programmer(s), who was into coding adult sites before, they asked me: "and what about the shaving system" - without me ask for it or imply I ever wanted to shave anyone.
a) I understand that too. Maybe sponsors build in shaving counting on cheating affiliates.

b) Anyone willing to steal from affiliates (or be part of it) may be willing to steal form you as well.

signupdamnit 08-03-2014 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20180467)
I've setup a few programs in past 10 years (mostly cams) and I can tell that when hired programmer(s), who was into coding adult sites before, they asked me: "and what about the shaving system" - without me ask for it or imply I ever wanted to shave anyone.
Thanks for being honest about it. Many aren't. I've heard others say the same. I've even seen programmers on industry boards admit to being asked "all the time" about adding such features. It's actually fraud but sadly any type of prosecution is rare. But in theory it could be something subject to the RICO (racketeering) act in the US. You can even file such a RICO suit individually.

KillerK 08-03-2014 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 20179861)
Send traffic pay-per-click (see sig) - we also bill exclusively through CCBill, not that it matters...we already paid for the click. See stats in real time and try to break it...I dare you.
Just means your clicks won't match ours. Also, due to your other thread crap i'd have a hard time promoting anything you are part of.

mopek1 08-04-2014 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20179460)
Honestly though if you are thinking about being a paysite affiliate the chances are you aren't going to have much choice per niche because conversions are nowhere near where they used to be and so many have left. If you find one sponsor in a niche these days which converts reasonably you would be lucky. Two or three doing so was somewhat rare even 2011ish.
I agree with this.

Split testing (and any other types of testing), phone calls, past history, street views, meeting the owners, email response times, reputation etc. won't do you much good.

Like Signupdamnit said above you'd be lucky to find 3 good sponsors that will simply CONVERT in any adult niche these days. I'm surprised you are entering adult at this point.


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