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dyna mo 08-02-2014 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 20179898)
Offering viable alternatives never hurts ones argument. Quite the contrary actually.

You should try it sometime.
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Lolz. You should learn how to pay attention most all i do here is provide an alternative. Its called reality, look into it because clearly you are not living in it if you think i am supposed to provide you what you think would be a viable alternate to the current weak pusa. Especially after your bullshit teabag comment.

dyna mo 08-02-2014 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20179880)
This is politics at the highest level. They passed a bill they know won't clear the Senate, and if it does, it won't be signed by the President. This was nothing more than an attempt to make it look like they are doing something.

This Congress has accomplished nothing other than filing lawsuits.
Look, i get it. You want it both ways. You want to complain they cant pass a bill but when its pointed out to you they did your instant retort is to say its bullshit grandstanding because you dont like the bill.

Let us all agree you just want to whine. Clearly.

kane 08-03-2014 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20179946)
Look, i get it. You want it both ways. You want to complain they cant pass a bill but when its pointed out to you they did your instant retort is to say its bullshit grandstanding because you dont like the bill.

Let us all agree you just want to whine. Clearly.
I think his point is that they can't seem to pass bills that will survive the senate and vice versa, the senate can't seem to pass bills that will survive the house. There is no point in passing a bill if you know that the opposition is never going to support it and it is DOA.

crockett 08-03-2014 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20179893)
Agreed. This is nothing more than political fodder so they can go home and fire up their re-election campaigns and say, "See, we are trying to protect the country, but the evil democrats are standing in the way."

Here is the funny thing I see from some people in this thread.

If Obama doesn't work with the republicans to pass legislation that both parties can get behind he is a bad leader. If the republicans don't work with the democrats to pass legislation that both parties can get behind it is still somehow Obama's fault.
Lol it's not just this topic.. it's every topic.. That's why I harass them so much. No matter what the right does no wrong with these guys and it's always Obamas fault. If they would just admit they were haters I'd probably get bored and stop harassing them.

crockett 08-03-2014 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20179965)
I think his point is that they can't seem to pass bills that will survive the senate and vice versa, the senate can't seem to pass bills that will survive the house. There is no point in passing a bill if you know that the opposition is never going to support it and it is DOA.
Sure there is.. Politicians are no longer required to be statesmen and held accountable for their actions and inactions. Politics is just about money and getting re-elected, doing the actual job down the list well below campaigning and pandering to the base.

Get rid of the money and call it what it is.. Bribes for votes and things will slowly turn around.

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crockett 08-03-2014 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20179519)
Thats what republicans were saying about democrats in the 1920s.
Yea and Republicans used to be known as the party that supported blacks and minorities. They also used to at least claim to be fiscally responsible and for smaller govt. Now days they hate everyone one except brainwashed Christian conservatives and rich white people. My, my how the times have changed.

dyna mo 08-03-2014 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20179965)
I think his point is that they can't seem to pass bills that will survive the senate and vice versa, the senate can't seem to pass bills that will survive the house. There is no point in passing a bill if you know that the opposition is never going to support it and it is DOA.
no, his point was quite specific, read his comments.

Nevertheless, I like the bill that passed the house, it's a far better solution than BO's.

So it's not like it's pie in the sky nonsense.

dyna mo 08-03-2014 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20180151)
Yea and Republicans used to be known as the party that supported blacks and minorities. They also used to at least claim to be fiscally responsible and for smaller govt. Now days they hate everyone one except brainwashed Christian conservatives and rich white people. My, my how the times have changed.
Yup, not unlike liberals, there's nothing liberal in the 21st century liberal agenda. Not saying you are a liberal, just bringing your comment and mine back around to today.

Robbie 08-03-2014 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20179720)
Well, the fact is he cut defense spending by changing the military doctrine from being able to fight 2 wars at once to only 1. Many point to that as a textbook example of OB policy creating a weak USA globally.
From my personal opinion: Cutting the military is one of the best things Pres. Obama has done. We could cut it by 2/3's and still have more than enough to fight a real war.

Problem is there are no "real" wars to fight. It's all about small guerilla groups of so-called "terrorists" and "insurgents".

You can't fight them with nuclear weapons and giant armadas of ships.
And having military bases in other countries all over the world? Yeah...that's costing us a lot of money and gaining us a lot of hatred from people worldwide.

dyna mo 08-03-2014 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20180193)
From my personal opinion: Cutting the military is one of the best things Pres. Obama has done. We could cut it by 2/3's and still have more than enough to fight a real war.

Problem is there are no "real" wars to fight. It's all about small guerilla groups of so-called "terrorists" and "insurgents".

You can't fight them with nuclear weapons and giant armadas of ships.
And having military bases in other countries all over the world? Yeah...that's costing us a lot of money and gaining us a lot of hatred from people worldwide.
You could be right. I have been reading some articles on the obama military doctrine and how it's weakened USA postion globally, thus my replying to the question of why he is described as weak on the international front.

I could prolly dredge 1 or 2 of those up if anyone is interested. I think with what is going on with Russia now, it seems that militarily it would make sense to maintain a presence for a larger than gurilla team enemy.

Robbie 08-03-2014 08:10 AM
By the way...the media and Democrats have portrayed the Republicans as the "do nothing" Congress in the Republitard controlled House.

But I'm watching "State Of The Union" with Candy Crowley this morning on CNN. And she had a pretty good panel comprised of a couple of hardcore Democrats and a couple of Republicans.

One of the Republicans on the panel was Newt Gingrich.

He pointed out that Sen. Harry Reid has killed 290 bills sent from the House to the Senate without even allowing a vote on any of them.

I thought that was kind of interesting since the media never talks about that. They always seem to just concentrate on the House (even though the House PASSED all those bills and it was the Senate leader Harry Reid who killed them).

So apparently if the Republitards disagree with a bill and kill it...they are the "do nothing" Congress.
But if the Demofucks don't agree with a bill and kill it...it was the rational thing to do because obviously the Republitards KNEW that their bill wouldn't make it.

I can't believe anybody with any sanity is still voting for these two obsolete parties.

Robbie 08-03-2014 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20180197)
I think with what is going on with Russia now, it seems that militarily it would make sense to maintain a presence for a larger than gurilla team enemy.
Possibly true. Showing "strength" by having a massive military presence has worked in the past.

But I'm really wondering if ANYBODY in the whole world really believes that the U.S. would ever attack Russia in any kind of military engagement (or vice/versa)

dyna mo 08-03-2014 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20180202)
Possibly true. Showing "strength" by having a massive military presence has worked in the past.

But I'm really wondering if ANYBODY in the whole world really believes that the U.S. would ever attack Russia in any kind of military engagement (or vice/versa)
well, it seems our government is very seriously fucking with russia in the ukraine. USA has had our fingers in the pie since before the revolution and, as you know, very much so since.

Barry-xlovecam 08-03-2014 08:26 AM
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2010/aug/20...l-immigration/

A four year old video from San Diego KPBS.

The winners and losers will be the same today -- TY Koch Brothers :D They cut whose balls off on this one? LMAO.

Who really wins and loses in the end? The high school dropouts competing for the jobs illegal immigrants will take for the win and the rich guy that won't have a gardener or nanny on the cheap for the fail? The States lose and the Feds win.

The politics of this are too bizarre-o :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Let's keep America for the Americans :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Robbie 08-03-2014 08:48 AM
Hey Barry, my family was in the citrus and cattle industry down in Fla. from the 1950's up until my grandfather passed away a couple of years ago.

The thing I've wondered about with "immigration reform" is this:

Since before I was born...Mexican farm workers have come here and worked. Down in Fla. in the 1960's and 1970's and 1980's the politically incorrect term was "Wetbacks" (like they had swam the Rio Grande lol)

Anyway, my grandfather had a fleet of trucks owned thousands and thousands of acres of orange groves and employed over a thousand people for that part of his business.

And the vast majority of the ones he employed were the Mexican people picking the oranges. They would come to Florida for picking season. Each Mexican worker would be in the grove with his wife and all their kids picking oranges.

And they are the BEST at it.
They could literally strip a tree in under a minute of all the oranges.

So I'm a teenager in the 1970's and I see these guys picking up checks for a couple of thousand dollars a week (you get paid by the "tub" of oranges). And a thousand dollars in 1975 was worth a LOT more than it is now. Hell, you were rich if you had a thousand bucks back then. lol
So I tell my grandfather I want to pick oranges too!

I go out there and picked oranges all damn day. I ended up with 3 tubs full and made about $10, I was sunburnt from head to toe, and every muscle in my body hurt. lol

My point is...without those workers...WHO is going to do that work? And at what price?
I believe (and I think I have the real life experience to say this having grown up in the citrus industry), that without those hardworking people...we will be paying so much money for fruit and vegetables that it will hurt the middle class and especially the people struggling to get by as they watch their grocery bill go sky high.
There was NO problem with "immigration" back then, and there still isn't.

The only problem is the one the govt. created by fighting the "War on Drugs" and crippling the Colombian drug cartels.
Now it's the MEXICAN drug cartels because they filled that vacuum.

Once the U.S. govt. sent down our military to burn coca fields and help capture and kill the drug kingpins in Colombia...new ones sprang up in Mexico. And now we have all this violence on the border.

THAT is the main thing that people are talking about...the violence on the other side of the border and it spilling into the U.S.
Thus "immigration reform".

Maybe if the federal govt. would drop Richard Nixon's "War On Drugs" and realize that you can't force people to obey you like a dog...then this "problem" that was caused by the U.S. govt. to begin with would be "solved" without us having to put the military on the border and build a fucking wall like we are the Soviet Union from the Cold War era.

From my point of view...our govt. is so fucking ass-backwards. It's shameful.

dyna mo 08-03-2014 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20180218)
Hey Barry, my family was in the citrus and cattle industry down in Fla. from the 1950's up until my grandfather passed away a couple of years ago.

The thing I've wondered about with "immigration reform" is this:

Since before I was born...Mexican farm workers have come here and worked. Down in Fla. in the 1960's and 1970's and 1980's the politically incorrect term was "Wetbacks" (like they had swam the Rio Grande lol)

Anyway, my grandfather had a fleet of trucks owned thousands and thousands of acres of orange groves and employed over a thousand people for that part of his business.

And the vast majority of the ones he employed were the Mexican people picking the oranges. They would come to Florida for picking season. Each Mexican worker would be in the grove with his wife and all their kids picking oranges.

And they are the BEST at it.
They could literally strip a tree in under a minute of all the oranges.

So I'm a teenager in the 1970's and I see these guys picking up checks for a couple of thousand dollars a week (you get paid by the "tub" of oranges). And a thousand dollars in 1975 was worth a LOT more than it is now. Hell, you were rich if you had a thousand bucks back then. lol
So I tell my grandfather I want to pick oranges too!

I go out there and picked oranges all damn day. I ended up with 3 tubs full and made about $10, I was sunburnt from head to toe, and every muscle in my body hurt. lol

My point is...without those workers...WHO is going to do that work? And at what price?
I believe (and I think I have the real life experience to say this having grown up in the citrus industry), that without those hardworking people...we will be paying so much money for fruit and vegetables that it will hurt the middle class and especially the people struggling to get by as they watch their grocery bill go sky high.
There was NO problem with "immigration" back then, and there still isn't.

The only problem is the one the govt. created by fighting the "War on Drugs" and crippling the Colombian drug cartels.
Now it's the MEXICAN drug cartels because they filled that vacuum.

Once the U.S. govt. sent down our military to burn coca fields and help capture and kill the drug kingpins in Colombia...new ones sprang up in Mexico. And now we have all this violence on the border.

THAT is the main thing that people are talking about...the violence on the other side of the border and it spilling into the U.S.
Thus "immigration reform".

Maybe if the federal govt. would drop Richard Nixon's "War On Drugs" and realize that you can't force people to obey you like a dog...then this "problem" that was caused by the U.S. govt. to begin with would be "solved" without us having to put the military on the border and build a fucking wall like we are the Soviet Union from the Cold War era.

From my point of view...our govt. is so fucking ass-backwards. It's shameful.
off topic, Robbie, who was that anti-gay orange juice woman from florida back in the 70s? remember her, anita something right? your post reminded me of that controversy

Robbie 08-03-2014 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20180222)
off topic, Robbie, who was that anti-gay orange juice woman from florida back in the 70s? remember her, anita something right? your post reminded me of that controversy
That was singer Anita Bryant.

The industry fired her after that and hired Burt Reynolds and his then-wife Loni Anderson to do the commercials after that.

And it was awesome then! Burt was the number one box office star in the world at the time and of course Loni Anderson was the gorgeous big tit blonde from "WKRP Cincinnati"

They did some great commercials that were pretty funny.

But yeah...Anita Bryant was a religious nutjob and made some anti-gay remarks in an interview that started a firestorm. It got her fired, and pretty much screwed her career.

dyna mo 08-03-2014 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20180228)
That was singer Anita Bryant.

The industry fired her after that and hired Burt Reynolds and his then-wife Loni Anderson to do the commercials after that.

And it was awesome then! Burt was the number one box office star in the world at the time and of course Loni Anderson was the gorgeous big tit blonde from "WKRP Cincinnati"

They did some great commercials that were pretty funny.

But yeah...Anita Bryant was a religious nutjob and made some anti-gay remarks in an interview that started a firestorm. It got her fired, and pretty much screwed her career.
hah, that's her! and burt is THE man. everything he did was solid gold.

Robbie 08-03-2014 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20180247)
hah, that's her! and burt is THE man. everything he did was solid gold.
He was a great spokesman. And he grew up in Fla. too. So he was perfect.

EDIT: I wish I could get that gig...and combine it with a vodka spokesman job too!
Then I could make commercials pouring "Fresh Florida Orange Juice" over "Refreshing Grey Goose Vodka!" heh-heh

Barry-xlovecam 08-03-2014 10:05 AM
Yes, Robbie you are dead on about those "wetback" workers.

When I was a Masonry Contractor "wetback" Bricklayers and Mason tenders (laborers) depressed the price per 1K brick (non-union or prevailing wage (gov't contract)) labor from $580 to $350 / 1K in the mid 1980s era. I'll have to admit they were some hard working MoFos.

I was a Stone Mason contractor primarily so they did not compete directly with us but I worked along side them on jobs. Considering that they might make 10% to 25% of that wage in Mexico or Central America, that's what they told me, they had the motivation to work hard and for long hours. They literally ate beans and tortillas on the jobsite :1orglaugh

How they worked this is out is that the Brick contractor was a Mexican national or Mexican American citizen here legally and he got the contract then got his brothers and cousins, from south of the border, to help him do the work (on the cheap). I never saw the INS raid a construction job site ... Bricklayers are not "unskilled labor." Construction is one of the exceptions to what I said but the trade and casual laborers in construction are not rocket scientists. Most are high school dropouts, ex-cons, drunks and druggies notwithstanding the few students working summer jobs. Let's face it being a non-union construction laborer pushing a wheelbarrow or digging a ditch is shit work -- but someone has to do it.

My grandfather was a legal immigrant in 1910 who by the Great Depression was a full partner in a ladies clothing factory in NYC. His factory ran on immigrant labor, albeit legal at the time, America had an open borders policy back then -- that built this nation.

Maybe, we need to allow more "guest workers" into this country at a "guest workers' wage" by this I mean no Social Security or Medicare deductions or employer matching contributions -- money as non citizens they will never benefit from. They and/or their employers should bear the burden of their and their families social costs -- medical, legal, schooling other. The guest workers should only have access to these social services in proportion to the taxes they pay -- in other words a fair deal. They just come here for a better life like my grandfather did. Most "wetbacks" are decent hard working people I know I have worked with many in construction.

We (USA government foreign policy) does feed the cycle of violence south of the border. If some of the illegals are coming here as refugees from that violence, they risk coming here to escape the misery we created in the first place -- that is the irony in the current situation.

We should take advantage of their low cost labor in the countries where they live and in turn create decent jobs there. We are adjusting to a post industrial economy. The low value manufactured goods jobs have been transferred to lower wage economies. Now that China is developing their own consumer market, Chinese labor will be heading in the same upward direction as Japanese or Korean labor has/did. If I had a choice of building a new factory in Asia or nearer to home in Mexico or Central America, if the political climate were the same (it's not -- Yankee Go Home!) I would build that factory closer to home.

Robbie 08-03-2014 10:22 AM
Barry, the workers that came in for picking season for the citrus industry didn't really bring any measurable social cost when I was young.

My grandad basically had shacks in the middle of the orange groves. They would come in for a few weeks, straight in from Mexico with their families and live in these little shacks with dozen or more people crammed in each one.(because as I said...each worker had his entire family and they worked together as a unit).

Some of them were "foremen" and they would bring their "crew" in with them.

They would pick for the season. Make a freakin' fortune and then leave with all their money.

The kids didn't go to school. They didn't go to the doctor while they were here (they seriously worked all day every day to maximize their money)

And then when it was over...they went back to Mexico and lived like kings. lol

Some people might argue that they didn't "contribute" because they took their money back with them to Mexico to spend it.

And that's true.

But the work they did keeps food costs down for all of us.

I can tell you that riding around with my dad through my grandfathers citrus groves...I never saw even ONE "white" guy out there doing that work. It was too freakin' hard to work out in the hot Florida sun all day long picking oranges.
And no single person could compete with a Mexican family when it comes to attacking an orange tree.

They would have an entire row of trees picked before you could get half a tree done. lol

And in the citrus industry that is vital.

The sugar content of the orange dictates the price. And to have a high sugar content you have to be able to leave that orange on the vine right up to the last second. One day over and the fruit will be rotted. One day too soon and you lose money because it's not fully ripened to it's full sugar content potential.

Those "illegal" immigrants were the ones who could hit a grove at it's peak and get the entire grove picked in a day and loaded on to trucks to head to the office for analysis and then off to the Tropicana plant.

Lot of money at stake in that whole process from targeting which grove was "ready" to getting it to the plant in time.

EDIT: My grandfather paid out by the "tub" of oranges picked...so it wasn't like the Mexicans were undercutting American workers price-wise. Anybody could have come there and worked that job. But nobody was as good at it as those Mexican workers were. They had the ability to bring their families in there and make a lot of money and get the job done better than anyone else could. If they didn't get the job done...they didn't last.

Axeman 08-03-2014 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20179880)
This is politics at the highest level. They passed a bill they know won't clear the Senate, and if it does, it won't be signed by the President. This was nothing more than an attempt to make it look like they are doing something.

This Congress has accomplished nothing other than filing lawsuits.
And yet you praise the Senate for passing a bill that they know won't pass the house.

Axeman 08-03-2014 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20179893)
If Obama doesn't work with the republicans to pass legislation that both parties can get behind he is a bad leader. If the republicans don't work with the democrats to pass legislation that both parties can get behind it is still somehow Obama's fault.
Where I fault Obama is this: He should be meeting with the leaders of both parties non-stop and hammering out a deal that works and will pass that fixes the problem. You can't do this from a podium at a fundraiser or from the golf course. If its a big problem like immigration should be, you as the President make a deal happen with hard work and sure tons of frustration I am sure. But LEAD.

Joshua G 08-03-2014 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Axeman (Post 20180322)
Where I fault Obama is this: He should be meeting with the leaders of both parties non-stop and hammering out a deal that works and will pass that fixes the problem. You can't do this from a podium at a fundraiser or from the golf course. If its a big problem like immigration should be, you as the President make a deal happen with hard work and sure tons of frustration I am sure. But LEAD.
i believe he has thrown in the towel with attempting to work with congress. it's so outlandishly dysfunctional now, what good is being conciliatory anymore. Doesnt get anything passed. of all human beings willing to compromise, obama is the KING! but you cant compromise with people that dont compromise.

Now he just says fuck it, plays golf, & gets ready to hit the speaker circuit in 3 years & bank a hundred mil like the clintons.

:2 cents:

Robbie 08-03-2014 01:38 PM
Josh...it's always been that way. As I've said before...in the 1990's the Republicans IMPEACHED Clinton and made him sit in front of Congress and commit perjury.

I thought that was all a bunch of bullshit.

But through all of that...Clinton was a great leader and politician and was able to reach out to his enemies and get shit done.

Pres. Obama seems to act aloof from Congress. I saw Newt Gingrich on CNN say that he and Pres. Clinton spoke on the phone every day and met in person at LEAST once a week.

I have heard congressmen and senators on news shows say flat out that Pres. Obama rarely calls Republican leaders and almost never meets with them.

Huge difference between what Pres. Clinton did and Pres. Obama.

Also look at Bush...you can't say he wasn't HATED by Democrats. But yet...he talked to them all the time and worked shit out to get things done.

That is the job of a President.

It isn't supposed to be Pres. Obama putting forth ideas and before anybody can even start discussions...he announces that he will NOT compromise. :(

That's just insuring that nothing will ever get done by pissing off the opposition party right off the bat.

Bad leadership. And it's why that has been the main criticism of Pres. Obama from the beginning. He's not very good at being Pres.
He has some good ideas. He gives great speeches.

But the everyday function of working with Congress? He hasn't done it since day one in office.

He couldn't even get shit done with the Democrats controlling both houses for the first two years...except the watered down/insurance company gift of "The Affordable Health Act" :(

kane 08-03-2014 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Axeman (Post 20180322)
Where I fault Obama is this: He should be meeting with the leaders of both parties non-stop and hammering out a deal that works and will pass that fixes the problem. You can't do this from a podium at a fundraiser or from the golf course. If its a big problem like immigration should be, you as the President make a deal happen with hard work and sure tons of frustration I am sure. But LEAD.
I agree, in theory. I just think that the republicans have zero in interests in actually working with him. Just based on what I have read it sounds like he has tried on many occasions, but they come in with the attitude that they are not willing to negotiate and if they don't get their way they just abandon the talks.

In a perfect world both sides would work together, but it seems like these days they can't do anything without it being hyper politicized and turning into a major partisan event.

kane 08-03-2014 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20180193)
From my personal opinion: Cutting the military is one of the best things Pres. Obama has done. We could cut it by 2/3's and still have more than enough to fight a real war.

Problem is there are no "real" wars to fight. It's all about small guerilla groups of so-called "terrorists" and "insurgents".

You can't fight them with nuclear weapons and giant armadas of ships.
And having military bases in other countries all over the world? Yeah...that's costing us a lot of money and gaining us a lot of hatred from people worldwide.
I have long said that we can't have a serious discussion about cutting the budget without talking about cutting the military. Sadly, a lot of people flip out the second you mention that.

Rochard 08-03-2014 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20179946)
Look, i get it. You want it both ways. You want to complain they cant pass a bill but when its pointed out to you they did your instant retort is to say its bullshit grandstanding because you dont like the bill.

Let us all agree you just want to whine. Clearly.
They passed a bill that is a partial temporary fix that isn't what the President asked for and isn't going to pass the Senate. They didn't do anything, but instead did the bare minimum so they can say "we tried" and then blame it on the President.

Doesn't matter much to me. I take care of my own lawn.

Vendzilla 08-03-2014 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20180458)
They passed a bill that is a partial temporary fix that isn't what the President asked for and isn't going to pass the Senate. They didn't do anything, but instead did the bare minimum so they can say "we tried" and then blame it on the President.

Doesn't matter much to me. I take care of my own lawn.
So according to you, the president gets what he wants and FUCK everyone else?

Since that's not what he asked for?

Why didn't the president work with them on it?

Why won't the president send troops to the border like the Governor of Texas asked for?

Is it Obama's way or nothing at all, is that what you are trying to say?

dyna mo 08-03-2014 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20180458)
They passed a bill that is a partial temporary fix that isn't what the President asked for and isn't going to pass the Senate. They didn't do anything, but instead did the bare minimum so they can say "we tried" and then blame it on the President.

Doesn't matter much to me. I take care of my own lawn.
Their bill is head and shoulders better than his. His just dumped cash on the issue and amnesty for 700k illegals. Fuck that.


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