there is a level of understanding that needs to be met in order to have a meaningful discussion. If you are not informed enough to be at that level, attempting a discussion with you or even trying to help you get current on the latest infos is pointless.

You will simply continue to hold your uninformed position.

You are so full of bullshit. You make more effort denying information, if you have such in the first place, than would be needed to give that information.

Reality is that you have nothing. So please inform yourself so that you can leave your uninformed position. :)

http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/index.cfm?FA=facts.QA

I alreeady pointed out you are not versed in reality of course you would think it's bullshit.

according to you, I bet my posts in this thread destroyed an ecosystem or 2.

:1orglaugh

Okay.

But back to issue. I just watched WWF's guide video for collecting oil from beaches after oil spills. Am I now enough qualified to discuss with you, or do I need to post some sort of certificate to you? :)

So 700,000 tons released in this one spill is the equivalent of 75 years worth and we did it in 5 months.

The fact is you fight with everyone and just throw out shit to support the unsupportable.

The wild life was not immune to the oil because they had already gotten used to it.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/fea...318260912.html

Oops I forgot. Fox news for you as that would be acceptable I am assuming? - http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/...spill-effects/

huh? what the fuck does fox news have to do with my keeping the thread on track with reality?
oh i know, that's all you can understand, simple things red or blue.


where the fuck did I say anything was immune to anything?


you and others sure prefer to assume, your word, rather than accept facts. keep assuming, it suits you.

you stupid mother fucker,

from your article

that's exactly what the fuck I am pointing out. you dimwitted dumbfuck. the cleanup is what caused the mutation in your fucking article.

jesus fuck.

Lol Dyna!! Just give up man. You are proving yourself to be a bigger idiot with every post you make. Just stop already. You are cherry-picking your "facts", and trying to justify to yourself and everyone here that it is "ok" to pollute in the gulf because it can "take it" somehow. You're ridiculous and a fool.

There is no other place i hang out, both virtu al and irl where attempting to have a pragmatic, unemotional approach to an issue causes such consternation and attempted ridicule.


Save the birds, ban windows and cats!

********** feel free to point out where i stated its ok to pollute the gulf.

"Scientists blamed the mutations on the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) released from the spill's submerged oil as well as the two million gallons of the dispersant Corexit that BP used in an attempt to clean up the spill."

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/...spill-effects/

To me it seems that the oil too has something to do about it. And again, that is not cleanup, dispersing is not cleaning. You blame solely "cleanup" and don't even take into account the methods used. You know, there are alternatives to methos used in these oil spills in US.

Not banning cats, but not left roaming around. That sounds like a plan. They are pretty much the only pets those can walk all freely nowadays. Some loophole.

I1. You are one of the few people here that can engage a hot debate intelligently. Regardless if we agree or not

2. Im not blaming solely cleanup. Here is what i am doing-

I am stating that it is counterproductive to the solution to not have as accurate depiction of the disaster as possible. Because when we do that, and we do that every spill, we exacerbate the problems. Adding to the damage from the actual spill by overcompenasating with clean up efforts that compound and extend the issue.

Oh and that ********** is a self-proclaimed troll so i troll him back.

Okay. By the way, I really watched WWF's guide for cleaning oil from shore. Besides using collecting ships at sea, it is small scoop and a bucket method when done at shore. Well, there was also other tools, but very similar in nature. Manual work. It seems that someone around there hasn't read the manual, since all the dispersants and stuff.

If you drive a car... You are responsable. Not BP.

Spill was made by BP, not by my car. And you don't have to drive car to use petroleum based products.

That's a real issue. In fact we refused a lot of help both international and private business. That sort of mentality makes things much worse. But at the same time one of the manual cleanup methods- high pressure washing killed a lot of microbes and bacteria that were important to the region and cleanup.

You are a BP apologist! Omfg



Save the birds buy Volt with no windows and run over a cat

That is not manual cleanup. Scoop and a bucket, that is manual. High pressure requires machinery.

I can attest it is very much manual labor and extremely hard work. A post hole shovel is a machine it still doesn't dig the hole.

Wow, I'm shocked that you would say that.

And to Mark Prince buying a Volt really is an exercise in futility. Everything you use everyday are derived from crude oil.


A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of 6000 items)

One 42-gallon barrel of oil creates 19.4 gallons of gasoline. The rest (over half) is used to make things like:

Solvents

Diesel fuel

Motor Oil

Bearing Grease

Ink

Floor Wax

Ballpoint Pens

Football Cleats

Upholstery

Sweaters

Boats

Insecticides

Bicycle Tires

Sports Car Bodies

Nail Polish

Fishing lures

Dresses

Tires

Golf Bags

Perfumes

Cassettes

Dishwasher parts

Tool Boxes

Shoe Polish

Motorcycle Helmet

Caulking

Petroleum Jelly

Transparent Tape

CD Player

Faucet Washers

Antiseptics

Clothesline

Curtains

Food Preservatives

Basketballs

Soap

Vitamin Capsules

Antihistamines

Purses

Shoes

Dashboards

Cortisone

Deodorant

Footballs

Putty

Dyes

Panty Hose

Refrigerant

Percolators

Life Jackets

Rubbing Alcohol

Linings

Skis

TV Cabinets

Shag Rugs

Electrician's Tape

Tool Racks

Car Battery Cases

Epoxy

Paint

Mops

Slacks

Insect Repellent

Oil Filters

Umbrellas

Yarn

Fertilizers

Hair Coloring

Roofing

Toilet Seats

Fishing Rods

Lipstick

Denture Adhesive

Linoleum

Ice Cube Trays

Synthetic Rubber

Speakers

Plastic Wood

Electric Blankets

Glycerin

Tennis Rackets

Rubber Cement

Fishing Boots

Dice

Nylon Rope

Candles

Trash Bags

House Paint

Water Pipes

Hand Lotion

Roller Skates

Surf Boards

Shampoo

Wheels

Paint Rollers

Shower Curtains

Guitar Strings

Luggage

Aspirin

Safety Glasses

Antifreeze

Football Helmets

Awnings

Eyeglasses

Clothes

Toothbrushes

Ice Chests

Footballs

Combs

CD's & DVD's

Paint Brushes

Detergents

Vaporizers

Balloons

Sun Glasses

Tents

Heart Valves

Crayons

Parachutes

Telephones

Enamel

Pillows

Dishes

Cameras

Anesthetics

Artificial Turf

Artificial limbs

Bandages

Dentures

Model Cars

Folding Doors

Hair Curlers

Cold cream

Movie film

Soft Contact lenses

Drinking Cups

Fan Belts

Car Enamel

Shaving Cream

Ammonia

Refrigerators

Golf Balls

Toothpaste

Gasoline

Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each! But, as shown here petroleum is not just used for fuel.

Anyway, it is not recommended method for cleaning shores. Also manual work is often associated with work involving no machinery. And that post hole shovel is a tool, not machine.

But lets not argue about that: scoop and a bucket, that is the preferred method, no machinery.

I will go with you on that. Scoop up what we can and let nature do what it does.

See what I mean? Fucking typical asshole stupid shit. You are such a fucking dickhead man...

Here's the thing:

First, OF COURSE you can never get rid of oil. Oil is used for all kinds of things, not just energy, but energy is most of what it is used for. But besides that, Oil definitely has its place. I never expect to replace oil and anyone who thinks that, including tree huggers (like myself), is dreaming.

What pisses me off is this:
- Idiots in the world, do not give any other energy alternative any consideration. Like it or not, Solar & Wind are coming on strong, and even Nuclear can be a good alternative.

- Bigger idiots, think it is OK to pollute, because they think that nature pollutes already, and that nature can fix whatever damage they cause. They also think that all animals are on this planet mean shit, and poising them and the environment they need to live is just fine.

Do I think a single person like me driving electric can change the world? No of course not. But alot of people driving electric can make a difference. The BP Oil disaster for me was the last straw, and I made a personal decision not to support big oil anymore. If you don't like that idea Dynamo, then fuck you, you fucking piece of shit. I didn't do it for you, and only a selfish moronic stupid asshole like you would think so.

Anyway Dyna, we get it - you hate animals and you think they are here for you to piss on. We get it. Fuck you for that. Post all you want about me after this, you're on ignore.

Are you going to turn into Ted Kaczynski? Even his shack in the woods he couldn't escape it. The bicycle tire for example, and the wood-burning stove, now there is a clean source of fuel if there was one. Not only was he polluting he was destroying our precious trees.

I would also like to point out that it's quite difficult to get any of these chemicals from solar and wind power. What do you suggest as a substitute? Something as simple as toothpaste or soap.

Hi Dvae,

No, no one has to worry about that... sorry to lose it here on GFY.

peace.

And my work here is done.

Save a bird. Open a window.

Glad I read this thread. Just smashed all the windows out of my house.

Interesting thing. Friend of mine owns a mountain, one of God's creations, it is made of this white powder that separates oil from water. And with all of these oil spills, no one is the slightest bit interested in his mountain.

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