Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 20185310)

if you lay your bike down, your leg most likely not get caught it in. yeah they weigh a decent amount, but it's not all located in one spot, spread out on the bike. if it just tips over and falls on you that will prolly hurt. but if you're riding and going down, the momentum will keep the bike going and you'll be separated pretty easily

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20185388)

this never computed with me either.. I can hear 250cc no problem from a block and a half away with normal exhausts so the louder is safer bullshit is blown far out of proportion and more people wanting their bikes to sound like a roar..which is kind of telling..

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20185394)

Yes, you are correct, but the handlebar and the pegs on a smaller bike also gives you enough space to not crush your leg. Also the sport bikes are pretty light.


Dropping(Not getting hit by a car) a small bike is going to hurt your wallet more than your body if you have the right jacket, gloves, boots and jeans.


If you ware the right gear, follow the rules of the road and never go faster than 10 miles over the limit, you should be pretty good. Bad Shit happens when you ignore any of the above.


Knowing and respecting the Speed limit is so important!! If you are roughly riding at the speed limit, you will have more than enough time to react to another cars mistake. The faster you go, the less reaction time you will have when someone else makes a mistake.


The dreaded left "turn head on crash" can dramatically be reduced if you are at the speed limit or if you slow down before the intersection when you see a car in the left turn lane.


With all of the above followed properly, you can dramatically reduce your chances of getting hit, dropping your bike and or dying on a motorcycle.


Anyone who rides will agree with me. Hope that helps. :thumbsup


Just Dave

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20185388)

this actually reminded me of something pretty hilarious. while taking my motorcycle course there was this guy sitting in front of me who was probably in his early 40's at the youngest. had S.O.A on the back of his neck. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and figured it meant something else.. but getting a better look at it later i noticed it had the soa reaper underneath it and everything! I mean i thought he was a poser enough sporting one of those bell cobra helmets with the gi joe looking face mask on it but damn.. this guy took it to a whole new level.. I mean i love that show but shit...


..wonder if he has a C.H.I.P.S. tattoo on his arm as well..

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20185394)

Yes, you are correct, but the handlebar and the pegs on a smaller bike also gives you enough space to not crush your leg. Also the sport bikes are pretty light.


Dropping(Not getting hit by a car) a small bike is going to hurt your wallet more than your body if you have the right jacket, gloves, boots and jeans.


If you ware the right gear, follow the rules of the road and never go faster than 10 miles over the limit, you should be pretty good. Bad Shit happens when you ignore any of the above.


Knowing and respecting the Speed limit is so important!! If you are roughly riding at the speed limit, you will have more than enough time to react to another cars mistake. The faster you go, the less reaction time you will have when someone else makes a mistake.


The dreaded left "turn head on crash" can dramatically be reduced if you are at the speed limit or if you slow down before the intersection when you see a car in the left turn lane.


With all of the above followed properly, you can dramatically reduce your chances of getting hit, dropping your bike and or dying on a motorcycle.


Anyone who rides will agree with me. Hope that helps. :thumbsup


Just Dave

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20185377)

http://s3.postimg.org/gqmz53ttf/IMG_2873.jpg

http://s21.postimg.org/d38qdnaiv/IMG_3193.jpg


Top, my Road King weighing in at almost 800 pounds vs the Honda at 350 pounds, one hell of a difference.

The girl I'm dating is 5' 1" and weighs about 115. She has ridden since a kid, not bad but I wouldn't ride in the same lane at speed like I do with some friends. No way she could handle my bike because of the weight.

She was riding an old Suzuki that kept breaking down, this is a 2012 Honda Rebel 250. We found it in Orlando, only 600 miles for $3000.00 plus tax. Bike was a starter bike for a man that decided motorcycle riding wasn't for him.

They are inexpensive, get 80 miles a gallon, dependable as hell, parts available everywhere, easy to ride upright sitting position.


edit, mine has a true dual exhaust and is pretty loud, hers sounds like a sewing machine lol.


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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20185389)

you're getting 118 hp from a 103" motor?

I built my previous dyna to get 100hp and lose 100 pounds. it took A LOT of money and a 107" build + to barely hit 100hp.

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20185471)

Hey Dyno, I forgot you ride!! Call me up lets do this!! You still got my number?


Just Dave

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20185471)

Nice!!






Yes!

Had it Dyno tuned and re-mapped. When I put the headers on. Got the print out somewhere around here.


I have a 7 year tire to tire warranty on everything I had done to it. Harley will warranty everything they do if you get it all done within 3 months of purchase.


I bought my bike in 2012 and 2 months later HD came out with a stage 4 jet kit. Costed 6k just in parts. Was the very 1st one in Cali put in. New pistons, bigger throttle body, Cams, springs, bigger oil pump and a few other things.


I dropped 20K after I bought the bike and did everything so not to fuck my warranty. Thats why I went through Harley. Got everything that could be done, done.


One thing I did that would void my warranty, but I felt it needed to be done was I went with a Vance and Hines Race headers to go with my race pipes. That voids the heads gasket warranty.


But when I got the engine race mapped that voices my engine warranty. But I picked up a Master Tune 2 and I keep the stock map that Harley assigned all of my engine upgrades on a memory stick, so when I go to the Harley shop to get anything done, It takes 5 min. to load in the stock Harley Tune so to not void my warranty. When I get beach from the shop, I then load in my Race Map. Think of a "Map" as a program on how everything on the motorcycle is told how to work. Engine Revs, full to air mixtures, injectors, compression, timing, etc.


For me, reliability and dependability was the most important thing. I have worked on every motorcycle I have ever owned. But now I rather hop on it and go.


Im friends with all of the mechanics at Simi Valley Harley. I guess loading my saddle bags full of Porn really helps on getting me deals. lol


Everything I did that could fuck with my warranty, the lead mechanic suggested it and suggested the spot that does the best race running. They know not to pug my bike into the machine without asking me if my map was changed.


And yes 118 horses. The showed the Mechanics at Simi Valley Harley the print out paper work from the Dyno Machine. They all doubted the Stage 4 before the instal, but after it was put in and they rode it even they were impressed. I also got the 1, 2 and 3 before the 4.


Hey Dyno, I forgot you ride!! Call me up lets do this!! You still got my number?



Just Dave

Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 20185406)

haha agreed, you emphasized everything i was trying to say :thumbsup

i've lost my back wheel before, slid out from under me on a turn and went down right when i first started riding. didn't have the right gear on, arm was total road rash. and i considered myself lucky, could've been 1000x worse. (no helmet, not the right shoes on)

honestly kind of glad i did cause i realized how easy it is and respected bikes a lot more. knock on wood haven't had any other accidents, 2 bikes later. control what you can, do your best to watch out for shitty drivers ( i swear i have a spidy sense now, can predict when dickheads aren't looking or are going to merge), and don't take stupid chances

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20185451)

Sounds good enough as I am not the type of person who likes to run fast and dumb etc.
Ps: when you talk about clothing gear you mention "jeans". Are jeans good enough as far as riding gear goes?

Originally Posted by MediumPimpin (Post 20185790)

The XJ6 is a great choice, perfect to learn on and it has great brakes, great handling, there is no downside for a new rider to this bike.

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20185805)

Any close alternatives? :)

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20185471)

Nice!!






Yes!

Had it Dyno tuned and re-mapped. When I put the headers on. Got the print out somewhere around here.


I have a 7 year tire to tire warranty on everything I had done to it. Harley will warranty everything they do if you get it all done within 3 months of purchase.


I bought my bike in 2012 and 2 months later HD came out with a stage 4 jet kit. Costed 6k just in parts. Was the very 1st one in Cali put in. New pistons, bigger throttle body, Cams, springs, bigger oil pump and a few other things.


I dropped 20K after I bought the bike and did everything so not to fuck my warranty. Thats why I went through Harley. Got everything that could be done, done.


One thing I did that would void my warranty, but I felt it needed to be done was I went with a Vance and Hines Race headers to go with my race pipes. That voids the heads gasket warranty.


But when I got the engine race mapped that voices my engine warranty. But I picked up a Master Tune 2 and I keep the stock map that Harley assigned all of my engine upgrades on a memory stick, so when I go to the Harley shop to get anything done, It takes 5 min. to load in the stock Harley Tune so to not void my warranty. When I get beach from the shop, I then load in my Race Map. Think of a "Map" as a program on how everything on the motorcycle is told how to work. Engine Revs, full to air mixtures, injectors, compression, timing, etc.


For me, reliability and dependability was the most important thing. I have worked on every motorcycle I have ever owned. But now I rather hop on it and go.


Im friends with all of the mechanics at Simi Valley Harley. I guess loading my saddle bags full of Porn really helps on getting me deals. lol


Everything I did that could fuck with my warranty, the lead mechanic suggested it and suggested the spot that does the best race running. They know not to pug my bike into the machine without asking me if my map was changed.


And yes 118 horses. The showed the Mechanics at Simi Valley Harley the print out paper work from the Dyno Machine. They all doubted the Stage 4 before the instal, but after it was put in and they rode it even they were impressed. I also got the 1, 2 and 3 before the 4.


Hey Dyno, I forgot you ride!! Call me up lets do this!! You still got my number?



Just Dave

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20185563)

That is the reason I do not want sports bike - too fast and dangerous. So I will stick with streetfighter/roadster/sports touring/standard (they have too many names, lol).

Originally Posted by MediumPimpin (Post 20185790)

a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all.

But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go...

"Hey man nice ride" so there is that.

Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 20185446)

I saw something like that a couple of months ago.
I'm cruising north on the 101 when a couple of street glides pass me, the first one was basic stock but the second one had a very intricate and expensive looking skulls paint job, but the funny part was the chubby, middle-aged guy on the skulls bike was sporting one of these:

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thin...l&tid=59815843

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186288)

riiiiiiiiiiight.

plenty of guys who can ride like this proof you wrong.



and I know as a "motorcyclist" you certainly cannot claim these skills are not valuable street riding skills, unlike being able to counter-steer or brake hard at @ 175mph on a track.

In fact, for the purpose of this thread and trying to relay real and safe and practical infos to a potential new rider, the skills at the speeds in this vid are head and shoulders more important.

Originally Posted by MediumPimpin (Post 20186341)

Going through pylons at a walking pace is impressive to you? To be safe on the road you need a responsive ride, one that is light, not top heavy and has stopping power. Name one Harley that has that besides maybe a Vrod? I could do better then that guy on a Goped. Yes those riders do have skills, but put them on a better ride and what would happen then?

I was a mechanic for the City of Ft lauderdale police motorcycle fleet back then they had Kawasaki KZ1000 loaded up with all the gear that they needed. They were death traps anything over 60 MPH and it was a wild ride, the cops fucking hated them.

Then they switch to Harleys, they could not believe how much worse they were, they were stunned.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186372)

my previous dyna and an xr1200 are both examples of h-d that are not top heavy and have excllent brakes.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186372)

let's get real here, this thread is for a potential new rider and it's irresponsible to fill this thread with info that is way over what's practical.

1. you think 20+mph is walking speed? it's not. these are riding around town speeds and skills, period. that's not even up for discussion, it's like you think you're talking to someone who's never ridden. If those riders thought a dofferent bike would give them a competive edge, they'd use it.

2. my previous dyna and an xr1200 are both examples of h-d that are not top heavy and have excllent brakes.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186388)

Agreed there. The h-d lineup has really impressed me lately. The Fatboy Lo was the most interesting to me, looks-wise, but I didn't love the ride. The cruisers at the top end, while expensive, really seemed to be a cut above what I had experienced in the past (when they rode more like a Goldwing). Now, they're very manageable, almost like riding down the road in your living room.

If I had to choose between another Porsche or one of the h-d cruisers, I'd take the latter without hesitation ... and for those who know me, that's saying something. :thumbsup

Originally Posted by MediumPimpin (Post 20186393)

Who the hell puts a new rider on a dyna or an xr1200? A new rider needs a light, easy to ride motorcycle with really good brakes. That will keep them safer, period.

Look at it this way most riders get into trouble with a car turning left in front of them. So you can either go left, maybe or right maybe, or stop. What bike would you want to be on in this instance at say 45 MPH?

Does your xr1200 handle so fucking good that you can go left or right, are your brakes so good and your training and experience so good that you could stop? Or are you old school and would just lay it down?

If a new rider is on oh say a CBR500 the odds go way up as all three options are looking better.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186397)

goldwing is a fantastic tourer and worthy of consideration but what h-d has done with their touring frame is also very nice. I'd have a hard decision to make if I were needing to choose between the top of the line 2014 goldwing or a h-d ultra. both fantastic motorcycles.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186407)

My only reservation with the Goldwing is that I might be SEEN riding the Goldwing. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20186323)

I can't imagine local clubs being too impressed seeing that shit on the roads.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186407)

My only reservation with the Goldwing is that I might be SEEN riding the Goldwing. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186397)

goldwing is a fantastic tourer and worthy of consideration but what h-d has done with their touring frame is also very nice. I'd have a hard decision to make if I were needing to choose between the top of the line 2014 goldwing or a h-d ultra. both fantastic motorcycles.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186407)

My only reservation with the Goldwing is that I might be SEEN riding the Goldwing. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186417)

aye, there's the rub!

Originally Posted by MediumPimpin (Post 20185790)

The XJ6 is a great choice, perfect to learn on and it has great brakes, great handling, there is no downside for a new rider to this bike.

I have owned over 100 motorcycles, have a Pro AMA racing license, I have worded at Honda, Kawasaki and BMW dealers. Also owned three of my own motorcycle shops.

If not the XJ stay in that style, Jap or a Italian is the way to go, a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all.

But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go...

"Hey man nice ride" so there is that.

Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 20186482)

I've been looking into getting a touring bike for a trip I've been planning across the country and back in a few years. Choice number one was a Honda Sport Touring model called the ST1300, but 2013 was the last year they built that model :(

http://www.motorsbros.com/images/Honda-ST1300-05.jpg

The God Wing is one of the premiere touring bikes on the road but I always saw them as a "land yacht" just too big and top-heavy.

But then in 2013 Honda started making a cut-down version of the Gold Wing called the F6B (Flat Six Bagger) and that has some definite possibilities.

http://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/imag...6b-51737_1.jpg

Originally Posted by MK Ultra (Post 20186482)

The Gold Wing is one of the premiere touring bikes on the road but I always saw them as a "land yacht" just too big and top-heavy.

But then in 2013 Honda started making a cut-down version of the Gold Wing called the F6B (Flat Six Bagger) and that has some definite possibilities.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186379)

I ride a Hayabusa, so I'm a bit biased, but the Harley/cruiser style sometimes gives a false sense of security for new riders, so you don't really know you're in trouble until you're WAY in trouble. It's nice to not have to lay down all the time to go fast, but the Hayabusa lets you know right away when things are going sideways -- it's hard to describe to someone who hasn't ridden.

Stay safe, in any event.

Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 20186522)

i wouldn't recommended someone's first bike a hayabusa, a bit powerful i would think

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186519)

Ride a Goldwing ... it's not as top-heavy as you'd imagine. Now, picking one UP isn't all that fun .... but you shouldn't do doing that more than once anyway.

The F6B actually has a very sport-bike feel to it (to me), and defeats the whole cruiser idea.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20186527)

Yeah, picking up a 800lb bike will make you grunt a little, at least that's what my Road King weighs

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186570)

The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it.

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20186572)

Actually, if you wait till your friends stop laughing at you, 2-3 guys makes it easier :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by MediumPimpin (Post 20185790)

a Harley is just a go slow poser bike, that has no braking or no handling at all.

But when you are stopped at a light on a Harley people will go...

"Hey man nice ride" so there is that.

Originally Posted by SongRider (Post 20186583)

My Harley must be a dud then... It rides like a dream at ALL speeds and is pretty damn quick and stops on a dime.

I might need to get it looked at... :thumbsup

And if people are saying anything to me at a light I cant hear them... because I am on my HARLEY!!! But I DO get a LOT of folks giving the big "Thumbsup" every time I ride! :thumbsup

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186570)

The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it.


Just in case someone might not know that!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20186493)

Goldwings are not top heavy, where you see a gas tank, well it's not there, it's much lower, the center of gravity on them is very low to make them handle better and they do!

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186519)

Ride a Goldwing ... it's not as top-heavy as you'd imagine. Now, picking one UP isn't all that fun .... but you shouldn't do doing that more than once anyway.

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186519)

The F6B actually has a very sport-bike feel to it (to me), and defeats the whole cruiser idea.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20186512)

Take a look at the new line from Harley, they call it the Rushmore project, if you like cruisers.
http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_US/home

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186570)

The secret to picking up a bike is to turn away from it squat down and grab it from behind your but and squat up with it.


Just in case someone might not know that!

Originally Posted by edgeprod (Post 20186684)

Wow, shit! I've never tried that .. but then again, I have only needed to pick a bike up very rarely, thank goodness.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20186372)

1. you think 20+mph is walking speed? it's not. these are riding around town speeds and skills, period. that's not even up for discussion, it's like you think you're talking to someone who's never ridden. If those riders thought a dofferent bike would give them a competive edge, they'd use it.

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 20187099)

Here is my bike...
http://netace.com/images/sideview_detail.jpg
Not quite stock - http://www.netace.com/vmax



This is NOT a recommendation for a 1st bike...
http://netace.com/images/DustMax_Burnout.jpg

Originally Posted by mineistaken (Post 20187206)

Of course different bike would give them an edge. If a streetbike rider did that same track he would do it easier and/or faster. I think that is his point.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20187298)

no, if a streetbike rider did that same track he'd fall over on the first turn.


Look at the guy whose never even ridden a bike telling me this nonsense! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


again, as I keep stressing to you, keep assuming shit about bikes and you can also assume you will soon be a statistic.




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