Amazed if amazon allow porn emails...

Have been through their AUP and can't really find anything that specifically says adult content isn't allowed. That doesn't mean that it is of course :)

http://aws.amazon.com/aup/

Hi Dom, going by bare's response to this post I can only imagine that it's aimed at me. No harm, no foul; you're wholly entitled to your opinion of what you feel I know and don't know.

"information beyond the scope of most people's understanding" - I totally agree which is why I feel an in-house solution isn't for everyone. It would be like letting a kid loose in a NASCAR competition the first day he passed his driving test.

Mailing does require a LOT of know-how like you've pointed out. To do this in-house one could: teach themselves (would take forever), they could hire someone, or they could just wing it and see what happens. Another option is to out source it to services like SMTP, etc. My sole intention in this thread was to make people aware that there just isn't one way to tackle this.

Why would I learn to design when I could outsource to any number of designers? Why learn to code when I can outsource to any number of coders. Why learn to rear chickens when I can buy then at a supermarket?

People shouldn't feel restricted or think that something isn't possible just because they don't have the skills to achieve it. At the end of the day they need to weigh up what it would cost, see what the pros and cons are and make a decision on what works for them in terms of using a service or doing something in-house.

It doesn't bother me one iota that someone on the internet thinks I'm wrong (I'm not talking about you) because I'll continue to do what works for me. I just find it absurd that people would tout "in-house" as being the only way to go simply because they apparently have a massive list(s). Most people DON'T have massive lists and even if they did, a service may yet be what is right for them simply because it would cost more to gain the expertise to do it in-house.

I dont think you are "wrong". Our perspective is just different :pimp

I honestly have no idea where you'd get that from, and it was NOT my intent, AT ALL.

The person I'm mainly talking about I won't name, as I like some of his colleagues and don't want to cause them harm .. but generally everyone in this thread is clueless, with the exception of BF, when it comes to larger-volume .. and wouldn't NEED the knowledge even if they had it. The volumes people in adult mail, for the most part, are laughable to any of us that do serious mailing ... which is why they don't have the knowledge, but also why they don't need it.

:thumbsup

This makes me think I need to make my point more directly: some of the snake-oil being sold here is more damaging because the people that are buying it aren't educated on why it's not the right solution, or how it can (will) harm them in the long run.

Odd. That sounds like what I have been saying the whole thread. :helpme

I think it's safe to say most people do not give a rat's ass if you're right or wrong. You're just some stranger on the internet. The problem here is you're taking this personally because you do not like people's feedback. You believe in your ESP solution, and I can speak from BOTH the ESP as well as in-house solutions when it comes to mailing. I have experience with both, and can actually speak about pretty much anything to do with effective email marketing from years of experience.

At no point did I say that "in-house is the only way to go".

In addition to taking everything personal, you also apparently can't read, so I can completely understand why you would be frustrated. More over, you take me citing that you have a small list as some sort of personal insult, which again, is on you as it was not meant as an insult if you actually read the context of my comments between an ESP solution and an in-house based on needs.

In short, you're getting all bent out of shape either because you can't read helpful remarks in context, or you have tender internet feelings.

:2 cents:

You're funny :)

And correct as all fuck. Correct as Jesus Motherfucking Christ descending from the heavens and dropping truth in your lap. As serious as a heart attack, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall SPFs in a single cock-sucking bound.

And this is still true, even now that I'm NOT drunk. BF is the man in the email space.