^^This

keep sending your content to Tube sites :thumbsup you'll make a few sales and your content will obsolete faster than you can say "whatTheF....?"


As a consumer, why would i get a membership to your pay site when all I have to do is this: https://www.google.com/search?q=erosexotica

I don't know, why would you buy Evian when all you have to do is turn the tap in your house?

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bottled+water

That analogy has been put out there by people for years now. And it isn't even close to being accurate.

For instance, here in Vegas the water comes from the Colorado River. And you have to use a whole home water conditioner (and add 40 pound bags of salt to it) just to keep the minerals in the water from destroying your dishwasher and clogging the pipes of your home.

There are a few places where the water is good. Like when I lived in South Carolina and Georgia. The water there tasted good and was very drinkable.
But not everywhere is like that, for instance...I wouldn't drink water out of the tap in New York City if you paid me to.

The better analogy for our situation would be:
Why would you buy Evian IF someone were giving unlimited bottles of Evian away for free?

That's the correct comparison. And guess what? Evian wouldn't allow that to happen.

Well not everyone lives in a desert Robbie. LOL And sorry but your ignorance is showing here. The water in NYC has been consistently voted the best tap water on Earth for decades now. It's cleaner than bottled water. It comes from the mountains of upstate New York.

Blind taste tests have proven people cannot tell the difference between tap and bottled water. It's all psychological, which your comments prove. The analogy holds because water is water, you either pay for it or drink it for free. And bottled water marketers have done a better job of convincing people they will DIE if they drink tap water than porn marketers have done at convincing their visitors they should buy their porn. Period.

Bottom line: If someone is visiting your paysite it's YOUR job to sell them. If you do not, bad on you. Blaming anything else is a copout.

I guess I am ignorant of the water in NYC. :)

But my point still remains.

You are making a comparison of something that people pay for to come out of their tap as opposed to something they pay for out of a bottle.

The correct analogy would again be: If someone were giving bottles of Evian away for free.

And yes it's always the tour and content that is needed to sell a membership.
But you will NEVER sell a membership to a guy who just jerked off and came before they ever saw your tour.

To boil this down:

- Tubes have all the traffic, as people like to jack off for free and they have all the content readily available from content partners either legally or "uploaded by a user"
- The more they like the content partner teaser videos - forcedly optimised for length, content, etc. - the less inclined they are to click through and sign up
- Simple conflict of interest as everyone wants to keep/convert the member

This is quite straightforward.

Can we turn the thinking around? What would you suggest for a tube site as long term solution that keeps content partners happy (= growing and producing great content), yet keeps the surfers loyal to their brand instead of looking for just content partner gains to reverse their decline? Is there a solution where everyone wins?

Most of the ideas above are good for the content partners, but definitely not beneficial for the tube itself and hurts their retention. And you can guess that anything that hurts retention will not be seen as a smart step forward from tube point of view. It's not likely that anyone managing a tube would say "it's ok if I lose some loyal members as long as content partners are more happy than they are right now".

Eg. display short clips without cumshots, present the content better so the CTRs are better, more spaces for promotion, this way the revenue from content partners will be better etc. This is pretty unrealistic, as you won't be able to make up for the lost ad revenue with increase in content partner income. The cam/pills/dating offers are built for the masses and they will easily beat you (you, as tube+content partner cooperation for better results) in the ad creative + bullshit landing page + get out your card call to action optimisation game, considering its tube traffic.

So in short - the tube loses returning visitors, loses money so "the future of content business is not in jeopardy". Unfortunately I cannot imagine a board meeting ending with this conclusion.. :2 cents:

Very good thread by the way.

Tubes are a mass of jerk off content, that satisfies people who like to jerk off.

Paysites are a smaller mass of jerk off content, that satisfies people who like to jerk off.

Paysites can't win this battle, and still insist on trying. So the obvious solution is to change and offer something the Tubes don't. BTS, interviews, personality, characters, etc.

Tubes will demand more and more as competition between them grow and their ratios drop. To expect them to earn less so paysites earn more, is insane.

Because enough content providers will bend over.

While I'm personally able to tell the difference between some brands of bottled water and tap water, and have done a blind taste test to prove it, the water itself is not the main reason i buy bottled water. The reason I buy it is for the added value which comes as a result of the water being in a bottle.

Packaging.

When i'm out and about, it's easier for me to just buy a bottle of water. I know it would be cheaper to just fill up a sports bottle with tap water and bring it with me everywhere but that seems like a pain in the ass and i like my water cold so i don't mind spending the extra money.

Convenience.

So look to the bottle!

Environment be damned.;-)

Is this cum dilemma solved??

Evian is the word 'Naive' spelt backwards...

Just thought I'd share...

You're comparing your site with premium bottled water and Tube sites with tap water?

Should the other way around:
Your content can be found on google within 3 seconds
Tube sites are getting a much better ranking than you are (on your own domain KW)
Tube sites streams, quality, content delivery are much better/faster than yours.

So, it should be the other way around really, you're offering expensive tap water when Tube sites are offering FREE Evian water.
But keep submitted to tube sites, yes; they will get your traffic and sales but for how long?

While your points are quite valid the future challenge tubes face does not resolve itself by doing nothing. You can only sell cams/dating/pills to the masses for so long - while content providers slowly go out of business - before the tube itself will realize it's losing traffic, visitors, members, revenue. So then what?

Either the tubes MUST work with - and give concessions to - content providers OR the tubes will have to go into the content creation business. (OR continue to display older licensed content and then watch their revenue and views slowly diminish over time.)

Leave it to a Frenchman to not get the Evian example and get everything backward. LOL Tubes have free, paysites have paid Members Areas (where the content is in 4k, UHD, HD, 1920, etc etc). Tubes offer the lowest quality streaming possible unless you pay for their HD service. So no, I offer the Evian, they offer the tap water.

Because without the cumshot it's tougher to cum on my keyboard.