At least they got rid of dictators. In Russian wars, Russia has just reinforced the dictatorship and the suffering has been pretty much the same.

http://thenorthcaucasus.wordpress.co...-atrocities-2/

What is a dictator? Give me a good definition please. An old and moronic man like Putin who has annexed Crimea without a single drop of blood, or a nice guy like Obama (a Nobel Peace Prize winner) who's army kills people all over the Globe every day, and who has issued a law that allows the drones to kill American people for just a suspected in terrorism?

How many civilians were killed by Russian army since 1991 (the year when Russian Federation was declared)? How many were killed by the US army and its NATO allies? These are two simple questions you have not be a rocket scientist to answer to :2 cents:

As about the democracy and pretending. Putin's trust rating in Russia is 80+% and he is a president. Whats the Obama's trust rating? So who is a real dictator? Who won the previous elections in the States? George Bush Jr. (the son of another US president like those guys in North Korea)? Has he been democratically elected? In fact No he hasn't, because the majority of the US citizens has voted for Al Gore.

"Freedom" and "democracy" are the last words anybody expects to hear from a country which had segregation just about 50 years ago (I don't even mention the genocide of the Native Americans).

Dictator is a dictator. You should know the definition, lets look what wikipedia says.

"A dictator is a ruler who wields absolute authority."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictator

And I already said this is not a competition. I don't have time or energy to combat US vs Russia, I don't live in either one of those countries or have loyalty for neither. Also having some "trust" is not very realiable indicator of democracy. Putin controls heavily the Russian media. So having "trust" is often simply a matter of brainwashing. That isn't the sign of true democracy, where people have real options to decide to who to trust.

But here are estimates from Wikipedia. Seems to be quite even numbers.

"For the period from 1994 to 2003, estimates ranged from 50,000 to 250,000 civilians and 10,000 to 50,000 Russian servicemen killed. Given that almost certainly both sides have tended to exaggerate enemy military casualties while minimizing their own and grossly underestimating its responsibility for civilian losses, the Russian-Chechen Friendship Society set the conservative estimate of death toll in this time period at about 150,000 - 200,000 civilians, 20,000 to 40,000 Russian soldiers, and possibly the same amount of Chechen rebels.[25]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualt...nd_Chechen_War

"It shows a total range of at least 110,591 to 120,816 civilian deaths in the whole conflict as of December 12, 2012"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

"Iraqi civilian losses:
About 3,664 killed[11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

"Civilians killed: 16,725–19,013 (2001–2013)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_...0%93present%29

Don't post this stupid bullshit from wikipedia. Chechnya is a part of Russia. Did I ask you how many thousands of Americans were killed by the US police or simple executed by the government (here in Russia we even have no death penalty)? I've asked your about other countries. Please don't pretend to be an idiot. And one more thing for you to think about. All these "civilians" in Chechnya were killed before the dictator (Putin). They were killed when a very democratic and so-beloved by West Yeltsin was a president of Russia. So who's a real dictator, Putin or Obama? Who of them killed more people? You haven't answered to this simple question.

Yes but Yeltsin knew a lot of good jokes

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._Clinton-1.jpg

While putin only one or two

http://www.dailypressdot.com/wp-cont...my-300x169.jpg

So what if Chechnya is part of Russia? Either Russia killed other Russians by hundreds of thousands, or other country's citizens. Anyway, they are still dead.

And Putin was by the way president at the time of second Chechnya war, and prime minister when it started, if that matters. You didn't have democracy before Putin, or before that, or before that, or before that, or before that. You never have had democracy. It's not just about Putin. You probably did have most democracy at the time of Yeltsin.

I really don't care which one has killed more people, it doesn't make that much difference and it doesn't wipe out the other side's actions.

Check out the Monroe Doctrine, the dictatorships created and supported in S America by the US and the continuing illegal blockade of Cuba.

Freedom for the rich to make money is the only freedom the US defends.

Hey, that guys is same clueless person from before. So much ignorance about historical facts...it is really useless to spend time on someone like him.

And here we have again the "non-Russian" guy, that is still all about Russia.

Maybe I could try that too. I could be all about Iceland. If someone even gives a bad look towards Iceland, I am instantly defending it. Yeah, that sounds like a plan. Even though I may be interpreted as a traitor of my own country, but nevermind, I am now pro-Iceland guy.

Dude are you sure you from this planet? Putin was elected as president. There were international spectators at the time of election. All other countries recognize him as elected president.
US got rid of dictators and this caused death of hundred thousands of regular people. And it keep happening every day. Who do you think controls media in US? Regular people? Or corporations who offers 2 candidates for presidents every 4 years(and donates money for presidents rally)?
As you can see US and Russia using same methods. Look I didn't say Russia is good and US is bad. They are all the same. Europe too, same rich assholes.
Please stop being naive and blame just Russia like MrDiez does, they are all bloody murderers - Russian politics, US, Ukraine, UK etc. - all. And it was like that ...always.

Exactly. Russia and the States are very similar countries. They have much more in common than people here used to think. The only serious difference is that Russia does not pretend to be a "true democracy" and it does not spread "freedom" to other countries :2 cents:

prices of food in Russia are high !

most of the things are more expensive than in EU.....

Yes, Putin was elected. By the way, having international spectators doesn't tell a shit, maybe you should tell about the results of their surveillance. Result is = Russia had somewhat free elections (regarding the elections itself), not candinates etc.

And you still think this is just some fucking comparison between US and Russia. I don't give a fuck about either. And I already quoted USA being oligarchy, as it has studied to be. Also Russia has been studied to not to be democracy in the sense we have in many western countries (excluding USA).

I haven't blamed Russia. I have just told a few facts and not even in a very judgemental fashion. Although there some difference to me in that USA is far, faaar away, but Russia is a tad closer to me. So, I am biased to be more concerned about what's going on in Russia than what is going on in USA. I am not just some fucking alien observing safely from space what's going on in here, on planet Earth.

aka123, am I right you're from Poland? This is just a guess, I have no clue if you're really from this county or not?

I am alien from space. I prefer to not tell where I am from, because this seems to be very political already. I think I have anyways played quite nicely, considering the delicate subject.

My location shouldn't matter that much anyway.

Sure, location does not matter, agree. I just like to think about myself that I can guess a lot about people by what they talk. So it's about proving or not my guess, nio more than that. You can do this in pm, I promise to keep it in secret.

You are not that good, as I am not from Poland.

Not quite correct, actually. The food prices in the EU are very different too. E.g. in Finland they are much higher than in Spain etc. The prices here are really higher than in the USA (average), for example. That's true.

Okay

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Not really, they are not the same.

LOL at "rich assholes" BTW as this is adult BUSINESS board where pretty much everybody comes to learn how to get rich.

Yes they are all the same. Do you really believe US and allies bring democracy? :error

You can't compare you lever of rich vs their. I am talking about billion and billion dollars. What are you trying to achieve? 1KK per year?

OK, then the fact that Putin is recognized as president of Russian Federation by all other countries tells you anything? If power in Banana Republic taken by military junta, then it's leader wouldn't recognized as elected by peoples free votes in other countries.

I provide example of USA and Russia, because it is actual right now. What other well known countries should I use? Also you wouldn't provide your location, lets stick with US and Russian then.

Russian leaders were recognized even when it was Banana junta aka Soviet Union. It tells me that when you lead big enough country, you have recognition, no matter how you got into power.

I don't even know what those your examples should represent. Examples of what? Are we again in some issue about "bad countries" or something? What are we talking about?

You called Putin a dictator. Didn't you? And I sad he is elected president. Also Russia has parliament.
You asked why I always bring US and Russia as example. What other big and powerful counties should I name as example? Name us your country, why are you afraid?

I did say "dictatorships and the like", Russia is semi-dictatorship. Being elected as a president doesn't exclude for elevating being dictator. Even Adolf Hitler was elected, not as a dictator, but after being named as a chancelor and having significant portion of votes in the following election, he and his party made it to be dictatorship.

Also the semi-dictatorship is pretty much built into Russian system and mentality. You take it so badly, but Russians like dictators, or at least dictator like leaders (very strong leaders).

Again, example of what? Naming for example of what?

Examples of other countries you want to use beside of Russia and USA. You asked me why I always bring this two countries.

dic·ta·tor
ˈdikˌtātər/
noun
noun: dictator; plural noun: dictators

1. a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained power by force.

Then we can call any president/prime ministers a dictator. Definitely USA and UK , France and Germany.

congrats Sharapova :)

Examples of other countries I want to use for what?

The USA, no?

Apple, healthy fruit.

http://www.natmedtalk.com/w/images/2/2b/Apple.jpg

Fixed it for you:

I mean prices that most of EU citizens have....:winkwink::winkwink:

In Russia food (most of) is more expensive, which is quite strange :P

USA what? USA is run by a dictator? :1orglaugh
that's why it took Obama half a decade to get Obamacare passed?

Now name some laws that Putin wanted to pass, but couldn't for half a decade... Oh, that's right, there aren't any because Russia is 1000 times closer to dictatorship than the US...

Can you stop playing this game? If you didn't like US as example of democracy, please give the name of other county you would like to use. PLEASE don't ask question "example of what?". Just forget about it.

How about the entire world? US kill thousands people everywhere to bring democracy. It is dictatorship.

Okay, we are talking about examples of democracy. I don't know how we got into this, but US is bad example for that. How about Switzerland?

I don't know what's the point in this, but I answer Switzerland. Let's lock into that.

Democracy doesn't have to be peaceful. Although US isn't democracy, but not because of the wars.

Why?

Exactly.

It's not a democracy. It's a dictatorship. And yes, it's a dictatorship because of wars as well (not only of course).