Exactly right, you know your child!!!

And parents should be the one to teach the child gun safety and get shot if they are wrong.

We do have guns, but not for self protection (civilians). The guns that even you have won't do that much against army (that is also your own people, right?). Also, tyrants wont just come like that, pop up from the ground. And now when we are talking about tyrants: you don't have democracy, but we have, despite the difference in the amount of guns. What you say about that?

never leave a kid alone with a gun

I fail to understand why a nine year old should be taught how to use a firearm.

Children are children and shouldn't be given weapons. This is why we don't give six year old knives and why we don't let children play in the kitchen (so they don't burn themselves on the stove). We also don't let our nine year olds drive. (Or vote or drink or smoke.)

What do you mean "draconian"? It's easier to purchase a firearm than it is to get a driver's license.

BTW. The U.S. was founded as a republic with a democratic voting system to elect public servants. (That was then, this is now)

I am of the belief that the U.S. is under hostile rule as I write this and every day the oppression will get worse 'till "We the People" enforce the constitution with real force. If we don't it'll be our own fault. Once U.S. citizens pull their heads out of their asses the occupation will not work, because of our firearms and knowhow.

The public servants have stopped serving the public and started serving themselve and the corporations.

Here's one for you. How long do you think you democracy will last in the rest of the world once the U.S. constitution and government are subverted? The U.S. had been the driving force (or at least a big part of this) in the world "'till recently" of ideas and freedom to have them. With the U.S. constitution completely gone "if/when if ever happens" the boot will be upon us all.

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wehateporn, is that you?

i am living in czech republic, and i am happy i dont need to own gun and have survival skills to go outside of my house. but i know there are some dangerous countries, and if i will have kids there and made any money to move my ass to other country to protect them, i will do it asap, and not teach them how to use gun to shoot at anything that is moving in your garden ... i am really sorry for all the people that must live there and have no other choice ... :2 cents: but if you can move, and you dont but you teach your kids how to use guns instead, you are nothing that piece of stupid dumb ass, and here i am talking nice ... :2 cents:

Not this bullshit again. Fucking learn what democracy means and what republic is. Well, I don't think you will grasp the issue (you can blame your schools), so let's make this simpler, but less accurate: you don't have republic. More accurately you have the institution, but it's not working as supposed.

Democracy will do fine in the rest of the world without USA. Don't think too much about yourselves. Freedom and such is not American invention in the first place. LOL. Slavery, racial separation, etc. Yeah, land of freedom. It even wasn't the first republic. :)

From all your accomplishes (you have actually had plenty of those), democracy, freedom, etc. doesn't belong to those.

Ok then ....

Good lord, what a kook. Why is it that the biggest supporters of guns are the exact people that shouldn't have guns?

They say we need a way to keep the mentally challenged away from fire arms? A good first step would be to find people that think they need guns to protect themselves from a government takeover.

Absolutely agree. No government anywhere has ever taken over anyone. It's certainly not happening anywhere in the world these days, or even in the last 50 years. It just doesn't happen, and it never will again.

This kind of crazy talk should be a jailable offense. Any loony that thinks that the government will take all of their rights away, should have all of their rights taken away!

Government is the only good thing in our lives, and we must always be careful to be obedient to our kindly and benevolent leaders, as they selflessly sacrifice their own well-being in order to bring us all forward into lives of fulfillment and plenty!



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Haven't you guys heard about voting? And I don't mean just choosing between republicans and democrats. It's like voting between king and queen (and they are married, you know).

Typical thread about guns, people chiming in with zero experience about the subject offering conjecture about something they know absolutely nothing about!!

I taught my daughter, starting at about 8 years old, .22 pump rifle, M1 Carbine and a BB gun. Later an AR15 and S&W 40 pistol

She has never killed anyone

At age 26, she is a veteran of the US Navy and has a Bachelors degree...

So please, simpletons! Tell me where I screwed up?

I almost believe you considering the number of wars that started in Europe and how much you guys need to have your government tell you what you can and cannot do.

Where did I say that I support the government taking guns away or restricting gun owners rights? I was implying that certain gun owners have a delusional Rambo fantasy that when the time comes they will be able to defeat the US military.

You want guns to protect your family? Go for it.
You want guns to hunt or as a hobby? Go for it.
You need guns in case the federal government takes over the country and you need to stamp out the threat? You're mentally ill and living in fantasy land.

Hard to say. Make 100 000 kids more and we see then. :)

I would teach my kids to shoot, but probably not at 8 years old (with real guns). Some airgun will do fine at that age and it will teach right shooting techique much better than guns with gunpowder.

They can develop bad habits if they are not taught safety first, they will be left to shooting the air soft any way they want and when given a real gun, they will fall back on old habits. This is not the right way!

Given strict guidelines and taught respect of firearms is a much better and safer way to shoot any firearm. If you have an 8 year old that shouldn't be trained in firearms, you have already failed your child! Go back to letting your TV raise them in that case!

But then again, my daughter was being taught to read before preschool, too bad there aren't more good parents out there

Not taught safety first? I am talking about airgun, not some airsoft. At least I was tought the gun safety with airgun. And seeing the bullet splintering wood didn't give me any illusions it being a toy.

I can hardly see how not teaching 8 year old kid "gun safety", other than "Don't touch guns." would be failing. They need just to know that they are not toys and are capable of doing significant damage. Gun safety is not just about shooting.

What is the good thing in that, exactly?

Where did I say "don't touch" as being safety?

How will they know what they do, unless you show them? Having them shoot those guns will show them much better!

I never told my daughter don't touch and walked away. I spent several hours just showing her how it worked and what it did before I handed the firearm to her.

Air soft, air gun, it doesn't make a difference, both work the same way.

I feel sorry for your kids if you rely on just saying don't touch till you think they are old enough to be taught to use them properly. I talked to my daughter about everything, always have, that's why we are such good friends, that's why she has done so well in life so far. If you don't like the way I raised my daughter, then you must think that I did a bad job, well go fuck yourself, she is awesome. I didn't follow any book, I didn't listen to others, I listened to my heart and raised a great kid, that btw is very protective of me and those she loves.

It's apparent to me you know jack shit about raising kids and shooting guns or even worse, how to train others how to shoot!

So thanx for chiming in with conjecture, see I know what I'm talking about!

WOW, you really are a moron aren't you? You don't realize the good in teaching a kid to read, fuck man you are fucking dense!

I did say "Don't touch" being gun safety, you are hardly the authority to define what's gun safety. Do you teach even babies to shoot, or do you bring guns up just the at moment when "Now daddy teaches you to shoot"?

And I can see where you have gone wrong, or your parents. You keep airguns harmless, not to be taken seriously, etc. Clear attitude problem, not taking gun safety seriously. "Work the same way". LOL. Even "real guns" work the same way, aka projectile leaves barrel with high speed.

Teaching kid to read before pre-school, school or whatever. That was the point. Or don't they teach kids to read in US schools?

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You don't think kids that learn to read before starting school have an advantage?

Not really. The school program doesn't take that into account and the kid does "re-learn" the stuff again. So, the kid can use that time to be kid, instead of learning to read, and to learn to read when everybody else does. Also, I am not that competition spirit kind of guy, that I would start to develop some special skill related advantages for very young child. This is more mommy and daddy related issue, than child related. I have already pet, I am not going to turn my hopefully future to be childs to be one.

Conjecture at best

I've been trained by the military to use firearms and have trained others, so yes, I am an authority.

I said 8 year olds, not babies, you do know the difference don't you?

You were the one that brought up airguns as being something a child should use, not me.

You seriously are an idiot!

I guess you didn't learn to read until much later in life! LOL

Fuck you are an idiot!

My daughter has always read above the grade level, has always excelled above the other children in the class because she was given a love for books at an early age. She had plenty of time to be a kid, she had a pony, well she actually had two. She rode in parades. She had a better childhood than most and you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. She grew a garden, she went camping, she shot guns with her daddy, she rode in hot rods, she learned to weld with an arc welder at age 12. I guess your parents let the TV raise you, shows in your ignorant comments

Do the world a favor and don't have any off spring

Uuuh, you have been in military, so have I, and I am squad leader. That doesn't still give any special authority for neither of us.

Yes, I got that you teach 8 year old kids, but what about before they are 8 year olds? And yes, I brought airguns as some that childs can use to practice shooting, as you brought guns working with gunpowder. I didn't say the airguns are toys, I presented those as a alternative for shooting practice, not as a toys to mess about.

Seems that your dad didn't teach you being humble (not that I would be the best example of it), as you are being so tough mister patriot, who knows how to raise their children's and it's the fucking only right way. Yeah!

Yeah, I too was taught the "love of books", but without that "extra" attitude.

I was given my first gun for Xmas when I was ten...it was an over and under .22/.410. I began shooting around six. By the time I was fifteen I owned several rifles and shotguns.

Did your teachers teach you with rocks to the head, Can you not understand what I have said?

What you are saying makes no fucking sense, are you that fucking retarded?

Never said anything before 8, why is that an important thing, you fucking retard, instead you bring up babies? Are you high?

First you say use air guns, then you don't, make up your fucking mind!

And if you are going to question how I raised my kid, please tell me where I went wrong when at 26 she has a degree and is a veteran you low life piece of shit!


Squad leader, wtf is that? Does that mean you are in the boy scouts?
What the fuck do you do in this industry?

Fuck you low life, if you don't want attitude, don't act like a fucking moron!

Don't you understand? If you have guns in your house, you have to say something about those even before you teach the kids to shoot, etc. And usually the guns purpose is explained together with "Don't touch them". And I still suggest using airguns to teach kids to shoot (and involve gun safety with the shooting).

Squad is a military unit. Here, learn some.

"In military terminology, a squad is a small military unit led by a non-commissioned officer (NCO)[1] that is subordinate to an infantry platoon."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squad

You can read my industry role from the left.

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I hate it when shit heads come in here and push how they were raised thinking their culture is better than ours.

I got a BB gun at 7 and went shooting about once a month with family.

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You just keep, keeping on man. Don't ever change. Your posts bring me great comical joy. I'll await the tale of how you wrestled a bear in the traveling circus and how you have a deep bond with all wild creatures in the coming years.

Oh, and for the record?

Still doesn't p[rove that you are still not a fucking moron, coming in here and bashing others culture because it's different from yours, just shows that you hold prejudice against others that don't fit in your narrow view.

I don't give a rats ass about your military history, bit doesn't mean a fucking thing shit for brains! You asked what my background was, I told you so fuck off!

Now you are changing the subject again saying something about keeping a gun ion the house, try staying on subject, or is that the only way you think you can win this argument!

And your argument to use air guns to train is bull shit

Fuck off shit head, you post one persons opinion and state that it's fact, your're as fucking ignorant and this other troll that can't even say what he does in the industry

Ok, off to do some work on my bike, have a nice day shit for brains.

I fucking hate trolls