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theking 08-26-2014 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20205970)
I hate it when shit heads come in here and push how they were raised thinking their culture is better than ours.

I got a BB gun at 7 and went shooting about once a month with family.

I agree.

Atticus 08-26-2014 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20205985)
Fuck off shit head, you post one persons opinion and state that it's fact, your're as fucking ignorant and this other troll that can't even say what he does in the industry

Ok, off to do some work on my bike, have a nice day shit for brains.

I fucking hate trolls

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Like I said man, don't ever change. :winkwink:

Perhaps now that your daughter has her degree she can come back home and teach you proper sentence structure.

Vendzilla 08-26-2014 01:41 PM

1. It readies your child for kindergarten.

Fact: Forty-three percent of children in America are not school ready when they enter kindergarten. Yet, children who get early literacy exposure with positive speech interactions have a 32-million-word advantage by age four over children who did not get this exposure. Teaching reading to preschoolers and being ready for kindergarten can be accomplished easily and informally with a little literacy activity each day in short durations.

2. It alleviates worries about reading disability later on.
Fact: Neuroscientists tell us that the preschool brain is malleable and more likely to reorganize dysfunctional or dyslexic reading circuitry if we intervene early. Early intervention starts at home. You should be your child's first reading teacher for this reason alone.

3. It makes learning to read easier for your child.
Fact: Picking up reading in babyhood and toddlerhood is easy; learning to read at age 6 from formal instruction in school is hard work. Babies and toddlers can learn to read as easily and informally during a critical period of brain development from birth to age 4 as they can easily pick up fluency in two complicated languages, say, Mandarin and English, during this same time.

4. It feeds a hungry brain.
Fact: A baby's brain will triple in size during the first year of life. Reading aloud and talking to your child feeds the child's brain 10 million words of raw data each year in the first three years of life, and enables their neural pathways to develop in different ways. A multisensory flash-word technique, or labeling objects and reading-around-the-room, can start as early as 3 or 4 months of age, during the brain's height of plasticity and synaptic formation. Such activities flex your child's mental muscles by feeding word traces into his brain, impacting both brain growth and cognitive development.

5. It engenders multisensory creative development and love for reading.
Fact: At the same time you are stimulating her speaking and reinforcing specific neural pathways that link sound and meaning, reading aloud and talking to your child feeds the baby's natural curiosity and helps develop right-brain creativity. By giving your baby opportunities to engage in listening, viewing, exploring with her mouth (cloth and board books), touching, and movement activities related to books and reading, it becomes a creative activity that engages both the creative and verbal sides of the brain. It also instills positive attitudes about books and jumpstarts the beginnings of a love for life-long reading.


6. It helps your child pick up phonics.
Fact: Tacit knowledge of phonics rules are hallmarks of toddler readers. They can't deliberately articulate the rules of phonics, but 2- and 3-year-olds can intuit phonics and exhibit the ability to decode and read words they have never seen in print. They cannot learn to do this through the kind of formal instruction used in school. They likely use special right-brain learning capacities and pick up phonics and word-pattern recognition just like they pick up multiple languages during this period. They lose these special brain capacities by age 6.

7. It helps your child pick up grammar.
Fact: Research shows that children stimulated with informal literacy activities can learn the basic rules of grammar for speech production by age 2. Tacit knowledge of grammar rules when learning to speak works similarly to a baby's and toddler's tacit use of phonics rules when learning to read. They can't articulate the rules of grammar, but babies and toddlers certainly use the rules of grammar in speech production.

8. It makes your child smarter.
Fact: If you read aloud to your child, and later allow your 3-, 4- , or 5-year-old child to choose books with interesting content and read them independently, he or she will grow in intelligence. Reading and being read to enables 2- and 3-year-olds to use complicated sentences, manage memory of distant events, build general knowledge, access new information, and develop powers of reflection. Reading stimulates language and vocabulary development, which is highly correlated with measures of intelligence. A 5-year-old reader acquires new knowledge from reading while a 5-year-old nonreader can only admire the pictures.

9. It helps build better schools.
Fact: Four out of 10 American 8-year-olds cannot read proficiently. For the first time in history, the current generation will be less well educated than their parents. The achievement gap in American schools starts before children enter kindergarten. Teach your child to read before he or she goes to school, encourage your neighbors to do the same, and you'll help fix a fledgling system that is currently in jeopardy.

10. It creates a beautiful legacy with a little time and effort.
Fact: The requirements of baby/toddler reading are simple: reading aloud routinely, friendly and fun verbal interaction, personal contact, and about 5 minutes/day of word play. Do this in the first three or four years of your child's life and you will raise a reader. It will have a powerful impact on your child's future behavior. You will feel good about giving your child the gift of reading, you'll be remembered fondly for this gift, and it will likely be passed on to your children's children when your own children continue the tradition or when you continue the practice as a grandparent

Vendzilla 08-26-2014 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus (Post 20205995)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Like I said man, don't ever change. :winkwink:

Perhaps now that your daughter has her degree she can come back home and teach you proper sentence structure.

In case you haven't noticed, this is GFY, proper sentence structure got thrown out years ago, try to keep up!

Try not to be a fucking troll!

aka123 08-26-2014 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20205970)
I hate it when shit heads come in here and push how they were raised thinking their culture is better than ours.

Yeah, that is what this is about. Maybe you should cool down a bit and read what I wrote at the first place.

"Hard to say. Make 100 000 kids more and we see then.

I would teach my kids to shoot, but probably not at 8 years old (with real guns). Some airgun will do fine at that age and it will teach right shooting techique much better than guns with gunpowder."

I simply told my opinion about what I would do. And I told that one kid is not big enough sample, and I even put a smiley face.

aka123 08-26-2014 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20205980)
Still doesn't p[rove that you are still not a fucking moron, coming in here and bashing others culture because it's different from yours, just shows that you hold prejudice against others that don't fit in your narrow view.

Ohh, I missed this one, but gladly I answered to this already. See one message above.

noshit 08-26-2014 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eroticfem (Post 20204819)
what sane person would take on a 9 year old as a student to learn about weapons.

Absolutely Horrific. Teaching a kid self responsibility and how to be an individual to stand on their own.
Next thing you know; the kid will be a productive part of the family doing chores and cutting grass.
We can't have that... We won't be able to use this kid as an excuse.

Vendzilla 08-26-2014 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20206002)
I even put a smiley face.

Seriously, that's suppose to make it better?

You insult me saying something about my kid learning to read early, then bring up babies and expect some kind of decorum?

You are posting in the wrong place for this

If you want to judge people because of their culture, go fuck your self

Seriously, go fuck yourself!

Atticus 08-26-2014 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20205996)
1. It readies your child for kindergarten.

Fact: Forty-three percent of children in America are not school ready when they enter kindergarten. Yet, children who get early literacy exposure with positive speech interactions have a 32-million-word advantage by age four over children who did not get this exposure. Teaching reading to preschoolers and being ready for kindergarten can be accomplished easily and informally with a little literacy activity each day in short durations.

2. It alleviates worries about reading disability later on.
Fact: Neuroscientists tell us that the preschool brain is malleable and more likely to reorganize dysfunctional or dyslexic reading circuitry if we intervene early. Early intervention starts at home. You should be your child's first reading teacher for this reason alone.

3. It makes learning to read easier for your child.
Fact: Picking up reading in babyhood and toddlerhood is easy; learning to read at age 6 from formal instruction in school is hard work. Babies and toddlers can learn to read as easily and informally during a critical period of brain development from birth to age 4 as they can easily pick up fluency in two complicated languages, say, Mandarin and English, during this same time.

4. It feeds a hungry brain.
Fact: A baby's brain will triple in size during the first year of life. Reading aloud and talking to your child feeds the child's brain 10 million words of raw data each year in the first three years of life, and enables their neural pathways to develop in different ways. A multisensory flash-word technique, or labeling objects and reading-around-the-room, can start as early as 3 or 4 months of age, during the brain's height of plasticity and synaptic formation. Such activities flex your child's mental muscles by feeding word traces into his brain, impacting both brain growth and cognitive development.

5. It engenders multisensory creative development and love for reading.
Fact: At the same time you are stimulating her speaking and reinforcing specific neural pathways that link sound and meaning, reading aloud and talking to your child feeds the baby's natural curiosity and helps develop right-brain creativity. By giving your baby opportunities to engage in listening, viewing, exploring with her mouth (cloth and board books), touching, and movement activities related to books and reading, it becomes a creative activity that engages both the creative and verbal sides of the brain. It also instills positive attitudes about books and jumpstarts the beginnings of a love for life-long reading.


6. It helps your child pick up phonics.
Fact: Tacit knowledge of phonics rules are hallmarks of toddler readers. They can't deliberately articulate the rules of phonics, but 2- and 3-year-olds can intuit phonics and exhibit the ability to decode and read words they have never seen in print. They cannot learn to do this through the kind of formal instruction used in school. They likely use special right-brain learning capacities and pick up phonics and word-pattern recognition just like they pick up multiple languages during this period. They lose these special brain capacities by age 6.

7. It helps your child pick up grammar.
Fact: Research shows that children stimulated with informal literacy activities can learn the basic rules of grammar for speech production by age 2. Tacit knowledge of grammar rules when learning to speak works similarly to a baby's and toddler's tacit use of phonics rules when learning to read. They can't articulate the rules of grammar, but babies and toddlers certainly use the rules of grammar in speech production.

8. It makes your child smarter.
Fact: If you read aloud to your child, and later allow your 3-, 4- , or 5-year-old child to choose books with interesting content and read them independently, he or she will grow in intelligence. Reading and being read to enables 2- and 3-year-olds to use complicated sentences, manage memory of distant events, build general knowledge, access new information, and develop powers of reflection. Reading stimulates language and vocabulary development, which is highly correlated with measures of intelligence. A 5-year-old reader acquires new knowledge from reading while a 5-year-old nonreader can only admire the pictures.

9. It helps build better schools.
Fact: Four out of 10 American 8-year-olds cannot read proficiently. For the first time in history, the current generation will be less well educated than their parents. The achievement gap in American schools starts before children enter kindergarten. Teach your child to read before he or she goes to school, encourage your neighbors to do the same, and you'll help fix a fledgling system that is currently in jeopardy.

10. It creates a beautiful legacy with a little time and effort.
Fact: The requirements of baby/toddler reading are simple: reading aloud routinely, friendly and fun verbal interaction, personal contact, and about 5 minutes/day of word play. Do this in the first three or four years of your child's life and you will raise a reader. It will have a powerful impact on your child's future behavior. You will feel good about giving your child the gift of reading, you'll be remembered fondly for this gift, and it will likely be passed on to your children's children when your own children continue the tradition or when you continue the practice as a grandparent

This list is primarily geared to having your children reading before kindergarten. AKA pre-school. You're the one that made the boast that your child was taught to read before pre-school. It also is heavily slanted on reading to your child from an early age, which no one disputes.

The humor in your post is you equate your child learning to read before pre-school as the best way to raise a child. And 'too bad there aren't more good parents out there'. Implying that if your child wasn't taught to read by age 3 the parents are failures. I was pointing out that you're a simpleton. But again, no need to really point that out as you do a great job in all of your posts. :thumbsup

On a side note, you really do have some major anger management issues. Your love of guns, fear of the govt., machismo and rage is a real great cocktail. Like I said, never change!

danielpbarron 08-26-2014 02:02 PM

I am in favor of nuclear-weapon dispensing vending machines to which children of any age have access.

aka123 08-26-2014 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20206013)
Seriously, that's suppose to make it better?

You insult me saying something about my kid learning to read early, then bring up babies and expect some kind of decorum?

You are posting in the wrong place for this

If you want to judge people because of their culture, go fuck your self

Seriously, go fuck yourself!

Well, this is GFY.

But seriously, you can't withstand any questioning without going to rage mode. Like you would be the great "diversity guy" to talk about different cultures. LOL.

sperbonzo 08-26-2014 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20205463)
I fail to understand why a nine year old should be taught how to use a firearm..

Frankly that sounds like the arguments that those "abstinence only" idiots use, as to why children should not be taught about condoms and safe sex. "We should just teach them to say no to sex and that's all!"

Brilliant.





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aka123 08-26-2014 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 20206031)
Frankly that sounds like the arguments that those "abstinence only" idiots use, as to why children should not be taught about condoms and safe sender. "We should just teach them to say no to sex and that's all!"

Brilliant.
.


Well, should nine year olds be teached to use condom? The dispute is mostly about the age, not whether should gun use be taught or not. Or the use of condoms.

newB 08-26-2014 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20204874)
I shot a bear when I was only 3...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20205899)
***edit***was going to include the third image of the woman holding a gun to the head of the toddler, but decided against it***

That is seriously fucked up, regardless of whether or not the gun is a toy. :mad:

Atticus 08-26-2014 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 20206031)
Frankly that sounds like the arguments that those "abstinence only" idiots use, as to why children should not be taught about condoms and safe sex. "We should just teach them to say no to sex and that's all!"

Brilliant.





.

Are you seriously proposing we teach sex education to children 9 and under?

Bryan G 08-26-2014 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20205801)
Teaching kid to read before pre-school, school or whatever. That was the point. Or don't they teach kids to read in US schools?

You can't be serious lol. Obviously teaching a kid to read before hand will give them an advantage. My daughter just turned 1 and I read to her every day and try to teach her words. She might not fully understand but she will sooner than later.

aka123 08-26-2014 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 20206066)
You can't be serious lol. Obviously teaching a kid to read before hand will give them an advantage. My daughter just turned 1 and I read to her every day and try to teach her words. She might not fully understand but she will sooner than later.

Can you put this "obvious advantage" into words? As we are talking about reading and writing.

lezinterracial 08-26-2014 03:05 PM

Read another story that said she lost control while shooting a full auto uzi.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0GQ23820140826

I remember a story of a kid shooting himself in the head with a full auto uzi a while back.

I have never shot a full auto myself.

Bryan G 08-26-2014 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20206068)
Can you put this "obvious advantage" into words? As we are talking about reading and writing.

Do you have kids?

newB 08-26-2014 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lezinterracial (Post 20206108)

They said that Charles Vacca, 39, had been standing next to the girl at the Last Stop shooting range in White Hills near the Nevada border on Monday morning showing her how to fire the automatic weapon.

Apt name.

MrBottomTooth 08-26-2014 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20205463)



What do you mean "draconian"? It's easier to purchase a firearm than it is to get a driver's license.

I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about in Canada. Google the procedures for acquiring, storing, using and transporting restricted firearms in Canada. It is most certainly not easier than getting a drivers license. And the kicker is you are only allowed to use them at gun clubs.

aka123 08-26-2014 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 20206109)
Do you have kids?

No, but this isn't matter of having kids. I simply asked about the advantage. Let's not make this any harder or complicated.

I am not scientist, but simply saying "it's obvious" and that should convince me, simply isn't enough. It has nothing to do with you, with your kids or whether there is such advantage or not. It's just principle, matter of being objective.

baddog 08-26-2014 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20205915)
Not really.

Every once in a while I underestimate the stupidity of some of the people here; I apologize.

crockett 08-26-2014 08:42 PM

This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.

Seth Manson 08-27-2014 12:06 AM

I sure wish that GFY would makes an adults-only section, where the fucking kids are not allowed to post.

editeur 08-27-2014 12:30 AM

Jail that natural born cold-blooded murderer for life!

aka123 08-27-2014 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20206164)
Every once in a while I underestimate the stupidity of some of the people here; I apologize.

No one has yet stated that "obvious advantage", despite of me asking it many times. If it's so fucking obvious, it shouldn't be that hard. I have the balls to question things, do you?

Manfap 08-27-2014 02:30 AM

Nothing wrong with a kid under supervision shooting a .22, but an uzi on auto?
You gotta admit, that's pretty stupid.

That kid is gonna be fucked up for life, shooting someone in the head at 9 years old.

TheDA 08-27-2014 06:08 AM

I feel for her. She's got to be pretty messed up.

Rob 08-27-2014 06:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20206131)
No, but this isn't matter of having kids. I simply asked about the advantage. Let's not make this any harder or complicated.

You don't have kids but you feel you're an expert on raising them? :error

Isn't that like a woman giving a man advice about taking care of his cock? Or better yet, a politician without kids telling us parents how to raise our kids? I see things much different than I did when I was childless. First and foremost, I think of my children's safety and well being and if that means teaching them gun safety and arming them, then hell yes, I will do it. If you don't have kids, you will never understand this feeling. You can continue thumping your chest, telling me what's best for my kids but your opinion is moot. When you get your dick wet and pump out some kids, then come back and tell us how you feel. Until then, you may want to play down your role as forum know-it-all and expand your horizons. No offense, but you come across as an arrogant and pompous ass. :2 cents:

aka123 08-27-2014 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20206689)
You don't have kids but you feel you're an expert on raising them? :error

I asked question, fucking question!!!! Come on, don't you guys get the concept of question? You are making this more complicated as it should be. And this is not a matter of having kids anyway. Simply having kids doesn't make anyone scientist or something like that. If there would some woman come and tell me that I am father, do you think that God will touch my shoulder and make me some sort of super dad? Instantly I will be fucking expert and know everything about kids and how to raise them?

How to raise kids is not some secrect information. Not to mention about the science regarding human biology, behaviour, etc. And if we talk again about the gun safety, neither that is some sort of secret information and it surely doesn't require having kids.

Here is my "super arrogant" and "know it all" message about teaching kids to shoot. The rest is just fighting with you guys, those seem to have some problems with simple conversation.

"I would teach my kids to shoot, but probably not at 8 years old (with real guns). Some airgun will do fine at that age and it will teach right shooting techique much better than guns with gunpowder."

VikingMan 08-27-2014 06:49 AM

that dumbass deserved to die, fuck him

Scott McD 08-27-2014 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20206367)
This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.


Incredible isn't it.

9 years old! But people still seem to think it's a normal thing to do. 9 years old !!!

Rob 08-27-2014 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20206717)
If there would some woman come and tell me that I am father, do you think that God will touch my shoulder and make me some sort of super dad? Instantly I will be fucking expert and know everything about kids and how to raise them?

This right here tells me you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Any douchebag and cum in a chick and have a bastard child he's too selfish to support. But a real father who helps raise his kids undergoes hormone and biological changes. It doesn't make use experts, quite the contrary. But I would take advice from other fathers before I take advice from a childless man or a deadbeat dad. You think you have all the answers but in reality, you're just making yourself look like an asshole. :2 cents:

Here's a good article to read -- http://www.livescience.com/46322-fat...ges-brain.html

aka123 08-27-2014 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20206732)
This right here tells me you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Any douchebag and cum in a chick and have a bastard child he's too selfish to support. But a real father who helps raise his kids undergoes hormone and biological changes. It doesn't make use experts, quite the contrary. But I would take advice from other fathers before I take advice from a childless man or a deadbeat dad. You think you have all the answers but in reality, you're just making yourself look like an asshole. :2 cents:

Here's a good article to read -- http://www.livescience.com/46322-fat...ges-brain.html

Having childs or falling in love mainly just lovers testosterone levels, not making you to some fucking expert about kids, as you did said.

And certainly I haven't said or thought that I would have all the answers. You just can't handle simple conversation without turning it personal. Using arguments is what this is about. Childs use that "You are stupid." when they are out of arguments. If you are so fucking grown up, act like one.

Rob 08-27-2014 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20206741)
Having childs or falling in love mainly just lovers testosterone levels, not making you to some fucking expert about kids, as you did said.

Go home, you're drunk.

aka123 08-27-2014 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 20206752)
Go home, you're drunk.

I read, and just few messages ago that was so fucking important, that it had to even be fought about (for nothing).

"Fathers may not want to hear that their testosterone levels are dropping, but new research bears that out, finding that the male hormone plummets in men after they have children — most dramatically in dads who really involve themselves in the nitty-gritty of child rearing"

http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/1...-testosterone/

Rochard 08-27-2014 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20206367)
This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.

I saw this video earlier on the news. Fucking insane. This isn't about guns or gun laws; This is about common sense. You don't hand a nine year a chain saw and teach him how to cut down trees - they just don't have the strength for that kind of stuff.

Rochard 08-27-2014 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 20206126)
I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about in Canada. Google the procedures for acquiring, storing, using and transporting restricted firearms in Canada. It is most certainly not easier than getting a drivers license. And the kicker is you are only allowed to use them at gun clubs.

I did not catch that....

The problem is here in the US we let anyone have firearms. Last night a man was arrested in Southern California for just randomly shooting people and dogs over the past five days. That's fucking insane.

danielpbarron 08-27-2014 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20206367)
This is why 9 year olds don't have any business shooting a fucking UZI. Yes the 9 year old girl was shooting a fucking fully automatic UZI.

Fucking parents of the year.. Any parent whom thinks it's a good idea to have their 9 year old kid shooting a fucking UZI should be checked into a mental hospital and the kid should be removed from their home.

This is the fucking video.. They are lucky the girl isn't dead as well and who ever else was there.



Anyone that tries to argue that this is about gun rights is a fucking idiot.

What is your point? Clearly this went poorly, but are you suggesting it should be illegal? It doesn't look to me that anyone in the video was forced to be there. It's none of your business what idiots do on their own property.


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