I get it. so asking a specific question in your *humble* view is trolling. got it. no specific questions allowed. Regardless of the fact the question sums up the conclusion, as it's fucking stated in the study, it must be a question asked about more than a sentence or 2.

A question about 3 sentences is OK eh. But those must be 3 sentences in a row or else questioning means question asker is troll.

makes sense. keeps it simple for you.

Anyhoo, feel free to point out how my question distorts the conclusion, that's your accusation right? That by "picking out a sentence or 2" and inquiring about that, my intent was to pretend sincerity in a thinly veiled plan to troll bait.

feel free to fill us all in on how you arrive at that conclusion.

or you can say I'm cherry picking part of what you said and distorting your point also.

either way.

Some trees are dying. Cry me a river. My front lawn is dead because we are in a drought.

Sorry, climate change is natural. This is an expected part of a cycle. We are coming out of an ice age. Nothing in the world is going to change this.

nevermind the fact not a single one of you climate alarmist asked yourself the same questions. If you even read the article, you bought it hook line and sinker, no questions asked.

Even when there is a valid question- if there is no known abvious cause to the dying trees, how can the researchers conclude the solution is for everyone to make lifestyle changes to stop manmade climate change?

I know this is GFY but really, asking this question isn't harmful to the discussion, this thread and certainly not to curbing pollution, instead it's an opportunity to point fingers.

Yes, even dying is natural, but somehow cops don't like if you shoot people. They think that you have to something to do with the shooting if you shoot people. It's a puzzle.

Slight modification. :)




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I arrive at my conclusion by your 'I'm just trying to understand the issue' :1orglaugh

And your comment that the world should change over an obscure tree no one has ever heard of when you know (or should know) better. If you truly don't understand the impact the Rocky Mountains have over the entire SW US then I gave you way to much credit.

Yes, that is being a true troll, and yet you continue. Are you feeling ok today?

Again, contact them. Hell, you can even talk to someone on the phone about it....

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This man made climate change thing isn't just about Rocky mountains, not to speak of just the trees. Also, there were listed reasons for dying trees in the first post.

What it comes to decision making, future is always uncertain.

I know you prefer ducking and dodging questions, but your comment just begs the question-

Where in the fuck did I ever say that?

And I couldn't give a shit how much credit you give me for who knows what the fuck.

I'm feeling great today, thanks for asking. *See, it is easy to answer a question.

Yes, we are tought to be in interglacial period and at the end part of current one.

Although, as some people doesn't seem to trust anything, not at least to some goofy scientists predictions, so it's safe to say that we don't know where we are heading. Otherwise there would be error in logic. If one don't trust predictions regarding this man made climate change, why would predictions about ice ages be correct?

I give up. It's painfully obvious as to why your anti-social behavior has destined you to where it has.

When the earth is dying there shall arise a new tribe of all colours and all creeds. This tribe shall be called The Warriors of the Rainbow and it will put its faith in actions not words. - HOPI PROPHESY

nice, someone can reply to a valid question with a valid answer. Appreciated.

What's odd is the report authors went out of their way to include a ~paragraph highlighting the fact that, even though those reasons have been shown to contribute, there is no obvious reasons for the dying trees. It's specific in the study. No obvious reasons.

And sure, manmade global warming is about the Earf, not specifically this region only, but that's also a problem in terms of motivation. I'll ask you, would/will you alter your lifestyle in your country because some trees in USA may or may not die in the next 50 years due to unknown reasons?

You give up on what? trying to paint me as a troll because I asked a question. :1orglaugh

And you have no fucking clue as to where destiny brung me.

What do you mean with obvious? Isn't some wildfires and beetles quite obvious? Or change in temperatures and specie specific treeline shifting obvious? You can examine all those things as those are easily measurable.

Your question is presented in certain way to mock the issue, but I still answer yes. Although you didn't say what kind of lifestyle changes, so it's easy to answer yes.

Because we know for certain that glaciations have happened many times in the past, at regular intervals, during the current ice age we are in.

We don't know for certain that man is causing global warming, if man is even capable of causing global warming or if man is capable of doing anything to mitigate global warming even if he wanted to.

We don't need to know it for certain to make decisions about it, I already said that future is always uncertain, but we still have to make decisions. Humans are definitely able to cause global warming, cooling, or whatever, provided that sun doesn't die, etc. We have huge impact on conditions and life on Earth. Although often not with the way we want.

Of course the future is uncertain - that goes without saying. Saying so is just rhetoric.

Indeed humans have an impact on conditions and life on Earth - many of them negative. But there is no convincing proof that completely overpowering and screwing up the global climate is one of them.

The problem as I see it now is that we are spending so much time, money and effort on demonizing and fighting a harmless trace gas that real harmful problems are being overlooked.

So, you don't agree with that ozone layer stuff either (regarding humans impact)?

Well, most scientists + me thinks that there is convincing enough proof about humans impact to climate. Just state your unbeliefs for your own behalf and keep those passive phrases out of this.

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Trees are literally the lungs of this plants. When the lungs die, so soon will the planet and the disgusting bacteria along with it known as man.

I've been doing a lot of hiking in the Rockies around Denver. I'm climbing Mt Evans this weekend, but I've noticed some dead trees here and there that seemed a bit excessive. I thought maybe it was due to the pine Beatles. I know there were pine Beatles problems in some of the mountians in New Mexico, but I've also noticed that here in CO the Forrest service seems to be doing a good job out cutting down infected trees.

Either you are drunk or English isn't your first language because sense - you're not making any. But I'll try.

I don't disagree with that "ozone layer stuff". There is hard evidence for the ozone hole and its causes. Not much to argue about there. And I agree that we had a negative impact. So what?

"Most scientists" is a fallacy and one of the greatest and most fraudulent myths of our time. But go ahead and believe it if you like. That's your mistake to make.

And if you think there is enough "proof" of human impact on climate from the emissions of CO2 then you need to look up the definition of proof. Theories do not equal proof.



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It all is, just another dumb post

Did anyone ever confuse you with Ted Cruz? If not, they will. And when it happens, I hope you are smart enough to be very, very insulted.

Goodnight, Ted.

The world is getting hotter. Everyone on the planet needs to change their lifestyle or we're all doomed, DOOMED I tell you!

Okay let's see here...

I already:

- Recycle meticulously.

- Use energy-efficient lighting.

- Have water-saving devices installed throughout my home and rental property.

- Moved my entire working life to a home-based business model over 16 years ago, thus I drive my car about 1/10 of most job-working slaves. (if not less)

- Have sunk tens of thousands of dollars into insulating my home and rental property, thus saving on natural gas and electricity use.

- Bought and use reusable shopping bags for groceries, etc.

- Turn things off when not in use (computer, lights, tv, etc)

- Haven't taken newspaper delivery for 20+ years. (GFY is all the news I need)

- Don't use bottled water. I had a reverse osmosis system installed over 12 years ago.

So my question is; what the fucking fuck else do you want from me?? My "carbon footprint" is now the size of my fucking baby toenail already. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining. The green changes I've made have not been a hardship on me, and in fact do save me thousands of $'s every year.


I should also mention here, from where I sit, the planet is getting COLDER not hotter. Last winter was the coldest winter Manitoba has seen in anywhere from 50 to 150 years depending on which expert you ask. It was certainly the coldest that I can recall in at least 40 years, maybe longer. Plus, this summer has been short, having started late, having had a lot of cool rainy days, only a few weeks of relatively hot sunny days, and now as of September I actually had to turn the heat on already.

So don't take this as a slight but please don't talk to me anymore about this so-called warming trend supposedly going on. I have yet to see it where I am. We've had some pretty mild winters in the past, and some nice long and hot summers. But they're getting scarcer and scarcer.

I'd still rather face a Manitoba winter than move south where it's "warmer" and then face your hurricanes, tornadoes, earth tremors, supervolcanoes, oil spills, etc etc ET-CETERA. :D

There was a frost warning here last night, so just shut it about global warming already.

The ozone layer issue is about human's impact on climate. You just questioned human's impact on climate. Isn't there some logic error anyways if you believe that humans can make enough emissions to somewhat destroy ozone layer, but not regarding other aspects of climate?

But you are correct in one thing, English is not my native language. Sorry if my tourismo englande is baad enough.

The ozone layer issue is not directly related to human's impact on climate with regards to warming caused by CO2 emissions. Thinning ozone is a problem but it does not cause warming. Besides that we recognized the ozone problem and took measures to stop it before it got too bad.

My comments are directly related to warming supposedly cause by CO2 emissions. This whole ozone thing is a completely separate issue.



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Leave it to ********** to fully distort the issue, making it about some fucking politician and me.

classic dodge and deflect. Happens every time. It's mostly due to ********** not having a fucking clue about what he's yapping about, the rest is his guilty conscience that he feels he needs to dump on everyone combined with his paranoia that doomsday is eminent mixed with his silly idea that he can "fix" it with his dad's excellent set of tools topped off by his hypocritical life choices such as dumping 20 tons of carbon on the rest of us with a fucking hybrid while bullshitting himself he's saving the planet driving it.

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The issue was and is humans impact to climate, not just some fucking warming. Although thinner ozone layer may contribute to warming too as sun gets to shine more freely on Earth's surface, UV-radiation is hot. Although the heat can probably also escape more freely.

The debate was that can human affect to Earth's climate with significant ways, and the answer is yes, it can. Even you don't seem to deny it.

Ok. You have reached your own conclusions based on zero proof. Hats off to you sir.

What conclusions, what zero proof? You deny the ozone issue?

That's really cool, congrats! You are helping to get the problem fixed, not to make it worse. And you are saving money at the same time too.

In very basic terms, the plan should be for everyone to use energy more efficiently, or to use renewable energy where possible. You are probably doing everything any single person can do except to drive electric. Electricity in Canada is alot cheaper than it is in the US so maybe look at doing this too.


It's not your local temperature that you have to worry about. It's the global average temperature that is the main concern.

More word salad by Ted Cruz.

Listen Ted, I know alot more about this than you do. I do not think the world is doomed, only broken. 1 Person like me cannot fix it alone but alot of people working together, just by changing their habits slightly, can make a big difference. Just because you have become brainwashed into thinking that everything is just fine does not make it so. Stop being such a fucking coward and grow a pair.

You misspelled a lot a lot.

It's hard to believe you "know alot [sic] more about this" (about anything really) when you can't even spell right; I've pointed it out at least a couple times just in this thread.

I'd learn to spell before getting on a soapbox pounding my chest and pointing fingers.

This from the guy who's bought 2 brand new cars in the last few years, dumping ~40 tons of carbon on the rest of us in so doing.


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No, I already said I don't deny the ozone issue. But I wasn't talking about the ozone issue. You brought it up.

Besides that the ozone issue is stable and/or improving.

Yes Eon is right. The Ozone layer absorbs a specific range of sunlight known as Ultraviolet-B, or UV-B. It also serves to modertate daytime and nighttime temperature swings, but only slightly. Without it, we would have much more skin cancer, cataracts, and other forms of cancer and DNA damage. Crops exposed to that much more UV-B would become damaged and inedible. Phytoplankton would also become damaged.

Thanks to reduction in CFC's, the Ozone hole is now on the mend. http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/.../#.VBMgUEtnnZA

If we can get our shit together on the Ozone Hole, maybe we can do the same for Global Warming.

You could also look at it like this: I recycled 1 car, and my new car now uses zero gas. Today I contribute far less carbon into the air than I used to.

Very simply put, for a simpleton like you, is that I learned from my mistakes. I don't need expensive dirty gasoline to take me to where I have to go when I can use cheap, clean electricity instead.

It's ok Ted, I know you can't fathom that concept. Learnin' just ain't one of yer strong suits, Ah' reckon'.