umm, **********, why do you just make shit up and think people will fall for it? Is it because you fall for shit?

Here, I'll learn ya something:

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tprint-new-car


YOu can either realize that or keep bullshitting yourself, but knock off trying to bullshit the rest of us about this.

The concept of "global average temperature" is most likely an impossibility and so probably a very poor measure for the true state of the climate.

Researchers Question Validity Of A 'Global Temperature'


Besides that, what do you suppose the "correct" temperature of the Earth is supposed to be?



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analysis by Toyota found that as much as 28 percent of the carbon dioxide emissions generated during the lifecycle of a typical gasoline-powered car can occur during its manufacture and its transportation to the dealer; the remaining emissions occur during driving once its new owner takes possession.

the new hybrids‚ despite lower emissions and better gas mileage‚ actually have a much larger environmental impact in their manufacture, compared to non-hybrids.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...e-ecofriendly/

what exactly are you basing that conclusion on?

http://ecowatch.com/2014/04/07/new-a...one-depletion/

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tica-chemicals

Scientific Assessment of Ozone Depletion: 2014




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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...46913994914472


http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs31/i/20...agon_stock.jpg

did you read that?

There was only a few producers of CFC's. They just switched to the more environmental friendly version and it was done. Easier fix.

Math is not your long suit obviously. He did not put his old car in a landfill. Just think about it, it will come to you.

I read the summary which is all I have time for right now.

reading is not your's. Feel the fuck free to quote where I ever said that.

I'll help you, since you struggle with the obvious, I never fucking stated or even implied that.

i didn't either, but i was trying to find reference to this:

'CFC113a' / 'Despite the production of all CFCs having been banned since 2010, the concentration of one ? CFC113a ? is rising at an accelerating rate. '

and there doesn't seem to be mention of this specifically, but does seem to state that some CFCs are in fact increasing.

Yes I read that elsewhere also. But for the time being at least the ozone hole appears to have stabilized.

But like I said before I didn't start out talking about the ozone layer and have no desire to keep talking about it. It's a separate issue with it's own set of variables and complications. Sure there is some overlap but the CAGW issue is complicated enough on it's own for one discussion.



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i believe the overall point is the position that humanity can't have an impact on the environment.. the ozone certainly proves that we do, and our current discussion shows that regardless of these wonderful 'success stories', we have a long way to go.

this has been used to show how the position, 'humanity cannot change the climate', is ridiculous, delusional, and dangerous.

yes there has been changes to the climate over a long period of time. yes there appears to be a change to the climate now.

what i think is missed here, is no, 'we' do not have irrefutable proof that our activity is the direct cause of current global climate fluctuations. yes, we have seen the increased solar activity, and the fact mars appears to be heating as well.

a question.. lacking irrefutable proof.. is how exactly does our activity with greenhouse gases, damage to the ozone, and the series of other irresponsible things we appear to do, on a daily basis, affect this natural cycle?

Of course humanity can have an impact on the environment - often very negatively and measurable. But there is nothing concrete yet to suggest that we have impacted it to the point of catastrophe or to the so-called "tipping point" that alarmists try to scare us with.

The truth is that we just don't know enough yet. But with all of the focus and attention given to CO2, which is a natural, necessary and harmless trace gas, we might be missing the opportunity to tackle other far more serious problems. Deforestation and the release of actual harmful chemicals for example.




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ok, so we wait for whatever event will concretely show that our activities have thrown the planet into a tailspin towards catastrophe.. ? or use the power of deduction and try and do something about it now?

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farva?

It's always good for lolz when a gfyer drives by just to be a dick, eh magnetron?

It snowed in Calgary last week.

I've posted the solution to this greenhouse gas problem before, I'll post it again. Want to reduce the emission level of the ENTIRE WORLD by ten percent in one move? Simple. Start adding Beano to cattle feed. Scientists keep saying how upwards of 10% of methane gas emissions come from cows. Beano eliminates farting.

I first posted that probably over 5 years ago. Maybe longer. To date not one "organization" that is squawking about global warming has run with it. It's udder folly I tell you.

Ozone issue is about climate change and about humans impact on climate. So this thread's topic brought it up. You are just trying to avoid it, as it doesn't support your view.

And yes, the situation is improving, which further proves that humans have impact on climate and this time it proves that we can impact it also positive ways.

We had news right this week that the situation is improving.

I've got to cover my garden tonight. Frost advisory in effect. BOO!

and the links i posted show that is not quite the case.

It truly is entertaining to see someone get all worked up over a silly disagreement on the Internets.

:)

We'll be a few degrees above freezing tonight.

Speaking of freezing and Man's impact on nature ..... I've heard that the smog coming out of Beijing was the cause of the prolonged spell of below freezing temperatures endured by the Midwest last winter.

Something about it forcing the cold air from Canada down into the U.S. and holding it there like a barrier of sorts. The man-made smog could even be seen from the Space Station.

The freezing temps killed off a few of my fruit trees.

accurate observation Dr. internetshrink, I'm sitting on the beach enjoying the view, the weather and some beers. You can think you know wtf all day long while I'm kicking back enjoying the waves and fucking back with gfyers that are in over their heads re: a complex topic, of which you fail to participate in, simply driving by with your psych profile.

What's truly entertaining is the choice you made. You can clearly see in this thread I attempted to create dialogue re: the topic by pointing out a terrific topic to discuss, which was what did the author mean when he wrote what he did. Instead, I was lambasted for daring to ask the question(s). Instead of poking at that, you choose to poke at me for poking back at that.

you=wtfever.

I noticed you fail at commenting in my music thread, which I've been hanging out in all while I'm sooooo worked up re: this thread.

:1orglaugh

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1149915

do yourself a favor, go outside, take a breath of fresh air, peek at the sun a bit and come back in and listen to some BTO in my thread and enjoy your day.

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Those are about new threats. The news I read were about that the ozone layer has got better right now. So, different timeframe and little bit different topic.

"Dozens of mysterious ozone-destroying chemicals may be undermining the recovery of the giant ozone hole over Antarctica, researchers have revealed."

http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tica-chemicals

Tonight is the second (or third?) frost warning we've had here this past week. But I see Environment Canada is saying it will warm up by early next week with daytime temps back in the 20's C range. (low 70's F)

BTW anyone know the new up-to-date politically correct term for "Indian summer"? :D

Hey, we use that too. No one has complained around here, although we don't have indians.

new threats as of march, when this report was released in september.. i couldn't find any reference to the chemicals that are reported to be increasing

old wives summer!

Bullshit. My view is that human emissions of CO2 are not going to cause catastrophic global warming and that spending trillions of dollars to reduce and sequester CO2 is a huge waste. Period.

In 25 years of following this issue closely I have never heard anyone insist that the ozone issue is about climate change or vice versa. Whether you say so or not it is simply not part of the general discussion on climate change. Period.

I didn't bring up the ozone layer, you did. I am avoiding it and you because I don't have time to run around in circles with you about it. Period.



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Not PC enough. I'll have busloads of old wives at my door banging on it with their broomsticks if I use that.

You know how sensitive everyone is these days.

fuck it

i hereby dub previously stated 'indian/old wives' summers as:

"THE PC SUMMER"

It is nice you have your view. Thanks for sharing.

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Ummmm .... I did just participate. See previous comment.

I do appreciate the three replies though.