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MaDalton 10-08-2014 08:32 AM

another Mike South "I am only posting what people send me" without verifying anything

edit: 50 accusations with no proof

Black All Through 10-08-2014 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornHero (Post 20246486)
i bet this is gonna be a long thread.

Thats exactly what I thought while reading...

mineistaken 10-08-2014 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20247153)
another Mike South "I am only posting what people send me" without verifying anything

edit: 50 accusations with no proof

nailed it :2 cents:

scuba steve 10-08-2014 08:35 AM

that follow up post is a fucking joke by south

Roald 10-08-2014 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scuba steve (Post 20247161)
that follow up post is a fucking joke by south

exactly cause it's hardly a follow up and much more the same bs :2 cents:

avalanche 10-08-2014 08:51 AM

I only wish this were true...

"On the directors side Mark seems to have strong support, most of them like him, their detractors say its because they are getting boy girl scenes from him for as low as 400 or 500 dollars."

But, hey what do we know, we only booked about 80 scenes last month with about 120 talent, probably 80+ girls.

NemesisEnforcer 10-08-2014 08:52 AM

Ok folks, Mike South knows what we think about his writing. Be nice, he is our Pit Bull for harassing Mansef, Manwin, Mind Geek and other derivations of this organization. :upsidedow

TheDA 10-08-2014 08:58 AM

Washed up.

MaDalton 10-08-2014 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer (Post 20247184)
Ok folks, Mike South knows what we think about his writing. Be nice, he is our Pit Bull for harassing Mansef, Manwin, Mind Geek and other derivations of this organization. :upsidedow

that ship has sailed long ago :2 cents:

NemesisEnforcer 10-08-2014 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20247195)
that ship has sailed long ago :2 cents:

True but the ship is still afloat and must come to port for provisions. When it does, we can count on Mike South to be there barking with foam around the mouth.

PAR 10-08-2014 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20247135)
ATMLA, Kicking The Hornets Nest
By Mike South
October 8th, 2014

It’s been a long time since I it a topic that has sparked as much debate as this one, from twitter to GFY and beyond ATMLA is the talk of the town and there isn’t much neutral ground.

In the end ATMLA is currently out of LATATA by a majority vote, in a month they could be re-admitted though it seems doubtful. The Big Issues with LATATA seem to be Mark Schechters methods to bring the organization closer to The Free Speech Coalition and his practice of way undercutting talent rates.

On the directors side Mark seems to have strong support, most of them like him, their detractors say its because they are getting boy girl scenes from him for as low as 400 or 500 dollars.

On the talent side most do not like him, saying he strong arms them to accept lower rates, that they are getting harassed in his model house, that he is sending them on BDSM shoots without fully explaining what they will be subjected to and that the percentage he charges is too high in order to make up the lost money for cutting their rates. Their detractors say hey this is simply the economics of the time and talent is bitter because less work being available acts to drive down prices.

Fans and outside observers generally dont like agencies altogether, suggesting that talent should self book and avoid them altogether. They also seem to think that the agencies push the girls into prostitution.

It will all shake out in the end ut as evidenced by the responses to the article it is something that prolly needed to be talked about…

Mike - you do understand Mark is not the "talk of the town", your incompetence to actually resemble someone reporting on a topic is.

So apart for not checking facts, any attempt to get both sides of the story, not having any grammar or spell checking abilities...
I guess we can add the complete lack of ability to understand the most basic of math.

"In the end ATMLA is currently out of LATATA by a majority vote"

How is a tie vote 4:4 with 1 person missing a majority?
Is this a problem with your math skills , comprehension or do you just not know the definition of the word "majority"?

And don't even get me started on your thinking that fans give 2 shit about or even can name 1 agent.

Wonder if GFY rule 10 could apply here...

RTP 10-08-2014 09:33 AM

The talent side actually does like him and I really can't see Mark strong arming anyone or even yelling at anyone.

People defend him here and in most circles (not just director side because they get to shoot at cheap rates) but the people behind the industry because he is a genuinely good person. Remember, he didn't start on the agency side or even the director side and was never a suitcase pimp.

The root of this is pretty complicated but is like a plot scene from SOA.

:1orglaugh

_Richard_ 10-08-2014 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAR (Post 20247215)

"In the end ATMLA is currently out of LATATA by a majority vote"

How is a tie vote 4:4 with 1 person missing a majority?
Is this a problem with your math skills , comprehension or do you just not know the definition of the word "majority"?

yes, also the timing of the article, what the article says, and when this vote was supposed to take place.

:disgust

seeric 10-08-2014 09:43 AM

Three words.

Bull "Fucking" Shit!

I've known Mark for many, many years. I am not a director. I do not shoot any scenes with him.

Mark is by far one of the most honest, ethical, and respectable guys that I've met in my 15 years in this business.

What a complete and utter libelous slandering of one of the nicest guys I've had the pleasure of knowing in the adult space.

I'd like to see this so called proof too.

If no proof is provided, this is nothing shy of the usual sensationalized garbage.

:2 cents:

baddog 10-08-2014 09:51 AM

South should be forced to prove it or be banned. This isn't the usual petty GFY bullshit. Like seeric said; this is libel, pure and simple.

marcop 10-08-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RTP (Post 20247227)
People defend him here and in most circles (not just director side because they get to shoot at cheap rates) but the people behind the industry because he is a genuinely good person.

Which directors are shooting ATMLA talent at "cheap rates"? I'm not--I pay ATMLA talent the same as I pay talent from the other agencies I work with.

As Porno Dan pointed out, shooting in LA is way down, so demand for talent is way down; with a reduction in demand, you'd expect to see a reduction in prices paid for scenes. That LATATA has prevented any meaningful cuts in pay to talent speaks more to their ability to work as a cartel, and not just as a trade organization. And if models don't think they're earning enough for the work they're doing and the risks they're taking, then of course they're likely to leave the business. This is Economics 101.

Pay is down for everyone, not just for talent--one of my clients has told me several times that he pays one of his LA shooters $150/day for 10 still sets and three masturbation videos, and the guy apparently uses his own full frame DSLR and HD video equipment.

mikesouth 10-08-2014 10:02 AM

beat up on me all yall want i got thick skin... I just calls em as I sees em... id also like to remind yall I dont nor have I ever called myself a "journalist" its op -ed deal widdit

RTP 10-08-2014 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcop (Post 20247254)
Which directors are shooting ATMLA talent at "cheap rates"? I'm not

I have no idea, that's what it says in his article that directors are defending him because they are getting "cheap rates".

p.s. miss those photos from moblog

marcop 10-08-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RTP (Post 20247261)
p.s. miss those photos from moblog

I'm still posting photos on Twitter (marcophoto) and on Instagram (marcophotola). Mobog was a lot of fun, and years ahead of its time.

MrBottomTooth 10-08-2014 10:06 AM

What a douche.

MaDalton 10-08-2014 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20247260)
beat up on me all yall want i got thick skin... I just calls em as I sees em... id also like to remind yall I dont nor have I ever called myself a "journalist" its op -ed deal widdit

true, a journalist would also have a basic sense of grammar and spelling

xxxjay 10-08-2014 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20246485)
Come on dude!!

You can easily contact Mark Schechter and get his side or ask him if this is true or not true.


Answer this: Are you trying to get the truth or are you trying to slam and hurt a mans good name?


Mark is one of the most stand up guys in this business. He is a very honest and straight up business man. He doesn't burn or fuck people over. Everyone on GFY can back me up on this fact.


You need to get your facts straight and print a retraction immediately. Unless your point wasn't to get at the truth. I know your a better person than this. Please prove me right.



My challenge to you: I got 10K in an envelope if you can prove or get proof that Mark tried to exchange sex for agency photos.


If its true, should be easy to do. I will pay you and your female source. One thing I know, when there is money involved and the girls have real proof, they will step up and collect...







And as for girls rates: If the rate being offered is lower than the girls actual rate, they are informed prior to accepting the gig. Every girls rate for BG is between $1000-$1200. I call that their Brazzers rate. I get fucked and pay that all of the time. But Porno Dan and others budgets are lower. Usually between $600-$900 for BG. This will be the same girl I paid $1200 for. (Not Kidding!!!)

Anyone can feel free to chime in.

Been good friends with Mark for almost 10 years. I know him and his wife very well. Can stake my to kids lives that this is not true. Somebody has a serious Axe to grind, and is using Mike South to do it.


Just Dave

Yeah man, I saw some of this and heard they been kicked out of LATATA. I've known Mark Schechter and his wife Margie for many many years. They come from my side of the tracks, they are web nerds. When they got into the adult modeling side of the business I asked him why he would even want to do something like that to himself, but he seemed pretty confident that he could do something different can make it work. I don't think he thoroughly familiarized himself with the politics surrounding this three ring circus and all the politics with different agencies.

I know LATATA you made a bunch of accusations about him. From all of my dealings with Mark an accusation like this is completely out of character... he has always been one of the most professional porn / not-porn guys I've ever met. I was extremely displeased to see his name slandered in such a way.

If you connect the dots they all lead back to the usual suspects as far as the source of all this...

Mark has my support any day of the week:thumbsup a

:2 cents:

mikesouth 10-08-2014 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20247269)
true, a journalist would also have a basic sense of grammar and spelling

there ya go....and another thing all you know it alls might wanna actually consider how many people I talk to on a daily basis....thatd be lots....and that Luke Ford never paid anyone a dime...for the record I told him that was NOT christy lake in those hpotos and that he was crazy to say it was.

But I reckon it all depends on whose Ox is getting gored huh? I didnt see any of yall stickin up for Derek Hay when he was under the gun for similar shit...or dirty D when he was being accused of shooting an underage girl....

It all comes out in the wash...carry on...

Far-L 10-08-2014 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer (Post 20247214)
True but the ship is still afloat and must come to port for provisions. When it does, we can count on Mike South to be there barking with foam around the mouth.

Sounds like he probably should have kept up with his rabies shots...

DWB 10-08-2014 10:31 AM

I wish everyone got this upset about their content being repeatedly stolen and exploited by other stand up guys in the business.

sugarbabytryouts 10-08-2014 11:14 AM

i don't think Mark would do what he's been accused of. Although I'm fresh to this bored, I've been involved in porn for over a decade. Mark is an upstanding guy. Even if he did fuck one of his talent, he wouldn't be the first. Pot calling the kettle black.

xxxjay 10-08-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sugarbabytryouts (Post 20247331)
i don't think Mark would do what he's been accused of. Although I'm fresh to this bored, I've been involved in porn for over a decade. Mark is an upstanding guy. Even if he did fuck one of his talent, he wouldn't be the first. Pot calling the kettle black.

even though you are new you nailed that right on the head:thumbsup

baddog 10-08-2014 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20247260)
beat up on me all yall want i got thick skin... I just calls em as I sees em... id also like to remind yall I dont nor have I ever called myself a "journalist" its op -ed deal widdit

You might want to look up the definition of op-ed - Your site does not fit. :2 cents:

PAR 10-08-2014 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20247274)
and another thing all you know it alls might wanna actually consider how many people I talk to on a daily basis....

Maybe next time well you are talking to all these people you should add the person in question to your long list of conversations.
Out of all the people you talked to in this case you opted to not talk to 1 person, Mark...

Btw when did you stop calling what you do reporting?
http://www.mikesouth.com/avn/avn-and...y-for-me-7422/

Remember the day you typed these words:
"only guy out there doing any kind of honest reporting about the industry,"

How about:
http://www.mikesouth.com/avn/i-dont-...t-get-it-7782/

"AVN wonders why their magazine has shrunk to about the size of comic book and XBiz wonders why people in the biz go to me to get hard news. while I was reporting on that story AVN and XBiz were busy with fluff peices about Tristan Taormino and Manuel Ferrara, respectively."


Maybe you should stop referring to your site as a new site/source for news and yourself as a reporter... :2 cents:


"There is an old saying that power corrupts and that absolute power corrupts absolutely." I would suggest to YOU that maybe YOU needs to do some reflecting on these things.

Buff 10-08-2014 11:54 AM

Fucking morons calling this "slander". It's "libel", dipshits.

DamianJ 10-08-2014 11:56 AM

Mike south is to journalism what dvtimes is to webmastery.

Grapesoda 10-08-2014 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20247274)
there ya go....and another thing all you know it alls might wanna actually consider how many people I talk to on a daily basis....thatd be lots....and that Luke Ford never paid anyone a dime...for the record I told him that was NOT christy lake in those hpotos and that he was crazy to say it was.

But I reckon it all depends on whose Ox is getting gored huh? I didnt see any of yall stickin up for Derek Hay when he was under the gun for similar shit...or dirty D when he was being accused of shooting an underage girl....

It all comes out in the wash...carry on...

we need a break from this hostile bullshit :2 cents:


Imortyl Pussycat 10-08-2014 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 20246529)
I am not wearing pants now

i have $1 in an envelope for proof of this....

but seriously, consider the source. ever heard of star mag or the enquirer? i remember an article he posted about a seminar given by manwin aka mind geek in miami. i was in that seminar and none of what he reported was remotely near the truth about it. that's when i knew the fluff pieces were for no other purpose than gossip and entertainment.

fitfemale 10-08-2014 12:11 PM

LATATA is a racket. they sit all high and mighty with moral superiority yet each and everyone of them have broken california talent agent law. You can not double dip and charge both the client and talent a fee or commission. EVERY porn agent does. Max commission is 10% yet I know some agents take as much as 40%

Grapesoda 10-08-2014 12:38 PM

Libel and slander are both forms of defamation. Defamation is a common law tort, governed by state law, in which an individual makes a "publication" of a defamatory statement of and concerning the plaintiff that damages the reputation of the plaintiff.

CDSmith 10-08-2014 12:44 PM

Sadly I'm not sure the "proof or ban" applies here. If Mike himself had reposted his article here it definitely would, but since someone else posted it I don't see how it applies.

But Mike, you and I both know you really should have proof on something like this. Of the kind you can show or point others to. Innuendo and hearsay really doesn't cut it when someone's rep is on the line, which is what the proof or ban rule was intended for.

Fun exciting informative thread though. :D

CDSmith 10-08-2014 12:45 PM

I stole Juicy's pants.

Taking bids.

robwod 10-08-2014 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20247250)
South should be forced to prove it or be banned.

I'm rather doubtful he would name any "source". However, if I were Mark, I would likely be discussing my options with an attorney considering the allegations being made, as well as taking screenshots and archiving them, just in case.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imortyl Pussycat (Post 20247386)
but seriously, consider the source. ever heard of star mag or the enquirer? i remember an article he posted about a seminar given by manwin aka mind geek in miami. i was in that seminar and none of what he reported was remotely near the truth about it. that's when i knew the fluff pieces were for no other purpose than gossip and entertainment.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

I've known Mark for years. I call utter bullshit on the allegations with both the talent disliking him and the inappropriate behaviour between Mark and an unnamed model/source. Without naming the source, it's little more than sensationalist rubbish -- but you kind of come to expect that from MS these days anyway.

_Richard_ 10-08-2014 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20247423)
Sadly I'm not sure the "proof or ban" applies here. If Mike himself had reposted his article here it definitely would, but since someone else posted it I don't see how it applies.

But Mike, you and I both know you really should have proof on something like this. Of the kind you can show or point others to. Innuendo and hearsay really doesn't cut it when someone's rep is on the line, which is what the proof or ban rule was intended for.

Fun exciting informative thread though. :D

he posted the follow up post, which says basically the same thing

DamianJ 10-08-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20247413)
Libel and slander are both forms of defamation. Defamation is a common law tort, governed by state law, in which an individual makes a "publication" of a defamatory statement of and concerning the plaintiff that damages the reputation of the plaintiff.

You cut and paste with amazing skill

http://defamation.laws.com/defamatio...bel-vs-slander

Mediamix 10-08-2014 03:23 PM

http://i.imgur.com/CFCJdLK.gif

ReggieDurango 10-08-2014 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ (Post 20247374)
Mike south is to journalism what dvtimes is to webmastery.

I don't like to pick on DVTimes, but :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:rainfro

GAMEFINEST 10-08-2014 05:17 PM

get down and dirty

Dirty D 10-09-2014 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20247274)
there ya go....and another thing all you know it alls might wanna actually consider how many people I talk to on a daily basis....thatd be lots....and that Luke Ford never paid anyone a dime...for the record I told him that was NOT christy lake in those hpotos and that he was crazy to say it was.

But I reckon it all depends on whose Ox is getting gored huh? I didnt see any of yall stickin up for Derek Hay when he was under the gun for similar shit...or dirty D when he was being accused of shooting an underage girl....

It all comes out in the wash...carry on...

I had and have plenty of support from people actually IN this industry.
YOU however tried to throw me under the bus for pathetic page views.
Did you ever publish the fact that all my charges were dropped... of course not.

You and your Captain Save a Ho opinion are worth less than .02

We laugh at you

MaDalton 10-09-2014 07:16 AM

Mike South is only into accusations, retractions are not so much his thing

xXXtesy10 10-09-2014 08:28 AM


ReggieDurango 10-09-2014 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty D (Post 20248113)
Did you ever publish the fact that all my charges were dropped... of course not.

The man raises a good point, why not Mike?

sinclair 10-09-2014 12:21 PM

I'm gonna guess it was Kevin that was shaking the girls down for sex and Mark was a victim of guilt by association, at least in this article.

punker barbie 10-09-2014 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20246485)
Come on dude!!

You can easily contact Mark Schechter and get his side or ask him if this is true or not true.


Answer this: Are you trying to get the truth or are you trying to slam and hurt a mans good name?


Mark is one of the most stand up guys in this business. He is a very honest and straight up business man. He doesn't burn or fuck people over. Everyone on GFY can back me up on this fact.


You need to get your facts straight and print a retraction immediately. Unless your point wasn't to get at the truth. I know your a better person than this. Please prove me right.



My challenge to you: I got 10K in an envelope if you can prove or get proof that Mark tried to exchange sex for agency photos.


If its true, should be easy to do. I will pay you and your female source. One thing I know, when there is money involved and the girls have real proof, they will step up and collect...







And as for girls rates: If the rate being offered is lower than the girls actual rate, they are informed prior to accepting the gig. Every girls rate for BG is between $1000-$1200. I call that their Brazzers rate. I get fucked and pay that all of the time. But Porno Dan and others budgets are lower. Usually between $600-$900 for BG. This will be the same girl I paid $1200 for. (Not Kidding!!!)

Anyone can feel free to chime in.

Been good friends with Mark for almost 10 years. I know him and his wife very well. Can stake my to kids lives that this is not true. Somebody has a serious Axe to grind, and is using Mike South to do it.


Just Dave

As a female who used to work directly with Mark in the office this story is 100% bullshit. Mark would never in a million years do any type of trade for sex. The thought is soooo- far out its laughable.

How dare Mike South write something that is totally merit less. Not only is he putting a good name to shame he's also bringing down his own. As a man who doesnt have a clue.

Do the right thing and take it down. :2 cents:

JustDaveXxx 10-09-2014 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sinclair (Post 20248500)
I'm gonna guess it was Kevin that was shaking the girls down for sex and Mark was a victim of guilt by association, at least in this article.

Na, thats a bad guess dude. Axe to grind? I don't see anything in this thread about Kevin. I don't see any accusations in this thread or from Mike South towards Kevin. So lets not make this a Kevin thread; Ok?


Kevin wasn't there when they were charging $300 for pics. The answer on who the source is, happens to be pretty commonly known with in the porn community.


Just Dave


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