Maybe its a drug dealer themed amateur site. I dunno I never bothered to check it out.

I already do all of that that you are talking about. I make money from my content in a lot of ways other than my paysite. I'm only selling the site, so I can focus on recruiting and shooting content. I have clips4sale, hotmovies, aebn, etc, and my DVDS get distributed worldwide from a major distributor. I'm not selling all that. Just selling the site.

Thank you for giving me a reason to post these links and DVD covers below. You can order any of the titles and my others at thirdworldxxx.com .

CS4 site http://clips4sale.com/18616

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/j...Auditions1.jpg

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/j...oodrats_JP.jpg

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/j...PussyPhoYu.jpg

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What is your site? Is it a real amateur paysite that is still active? If so, that's cool. I just couldn't think of any others that still exist.

I don't really look at homegrown as an amateur paysite. They seem more like a clearing house for submitted content, and all of the agency girls always make it into the homegrown dvds too. Same thing as ATK, nothing against them, but it's just not the same a a guy with a camera running his own site.

Please tell me you`re taking the piss?

Darkcavern.com has been up since 96, there are probably a few dozen from around that time period still rolling. Maybe more like limping lol

+1 The only thing worse than someone who rats out for gain is a person who rats for no gain.:2 cents:

+2

And how things used to be in '96 heh? I guess filelockers didn't exist back then, how is your latest one going? Remember... sara is spelled sara... not sarah

So if i'm correct you're asking $75K for a website plus it's Non-Exclusive content????
I mean "Non-Exclusive" because you will keep using the content for the dvd's and various clips- and theater-sites???

aha...

good luck....

Yea its nuts, but I think he just likes the attention... good or bad.

It's worth 10-14 months income based off average of the last 3 months income (not revenue). At the very most. Due to most likely crazy restrictions on the content I doubt even that
The only reason it is worth that much is because the lack of sites that aren't total garbage that are for sale and still make money. A couple years ago it would have been worth even less, but now its a supply/demand issue.

OK so basically everything is for sale for the right price. I think we've all met enough whores of every category to be well aware of that.

Right now you can hit up any number of shooters and get more non exclusive content than your dedicated server will hold for under $500.

Then you can get a CMS for a few hundred more and even set up an affiliate program for a low monthly fee.

With the right skills you can be up and running with a network of sites and an affiliate program to boot for 3500 out of pocket.

$500 content - Fitzmulti, NaughtyRob, and others.
$500 aff prog. setup - Nats, or MPA3 if you want top tier, less if you don't mind cutting corners.
$1000 CMS - Mechbunny one time payment with unlimited domains. Less up front if you go month to month with any number of solutions.
$1000 Merchant account and gateway with Netbilling, less if you use CCBill, Epoch etc. Zero if you hate yourself enough to sign up with Zombaio.
$500 or less for a dedicated server, Mojohost will get you rolling for MUCH less.

If you can't design or code add a few grand for that.

And all those things I listed are top of the line well reviewed products, not some hacked together shortcut bullshit (well, except maybe Zombaio)

The only thing worth any real money is traffic. And I don't see OP selling that.

All this attention and hits, and still no offer. LOL

My original quote was right. You'll be lucky to get $ 500 for it.

You're lucky as it is, just to make a $29 sale for all the content, so how you are going to find somebody to buy it all for $ 500 and invest all their time into running it?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

again, 15 years too late with this sale.

I can get 300 scenes for 5-6 K and fill the site with it. :2 cents:

Are you planning on shooting content still so I can update the site with new joePusher content every week or so?

You should probably offer the content for sale first and add the pay site as an extra to the sale, right now you make it sound like the pay site is THE money maker.

Good luck with the sale Joe.

Are you saying that you thought I would sell the website plus the actual masters to all 300+ of my scenes for just 75k? I wouldn't even sell the masters to all of my scenes for 100k separately.

For you I would sell it for 85k, just because it's worth another 10k for having to read through that ridiculous nonsense paragraph, where you tried to talk economics.

I could clown the fuck out of you about that shit you wrote, but I don't really feel like typing all that right now. I'll give you a chance to correct it first, but if I don't see that you've fixed it, or learned anything within a few days, then I'll try to take some time to type some stuff up on here to show everyone how stupid you are. I'd rather just see that you've learned, so I'll even give you some direction on what to study. Look up what equilibrium, marginal, and sub-marginal buyers and sellers are. Try to read as much info as you can about the mechanics of a transaction. Read as much as you can from Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, Murphy, and Woods, which will start to give you an understanding of how free markets work.

Or even better, you could make an infomercial and an ebook, showing everybody how to get rich in the porn business, by using your amazing step-by-step plan.

Have you put your plan in to action yourself yet?

I can't wait to read your write up. Academia is great, real world experience is better. The criteria I wrote up I've used again and again and again over the years to purchase a LOT of sites.

There is a surplus of content, models, and producers these days with far fewer people who can actually monetize this stuff. You can shoot porn with a fucking phone, not exactly huge barriers to entering content production

Here is a hint: The right price is what it can sell for. Not what you hope it will sell for.

+1 :1orglaugh:2 cents:

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No, I prefer to spend all my time bragging about how much I wont sell my shit no one is buying for. - no wait, that's you.

Excuse me while I giggle my way down to the bank.

I don't know what those figures mean exactly, but let's just say for the sake of the discussion, that those figures represent actual money in your pocket after it's all said and done.

If that's the case, then my question would be, why is the number so low for you? You should be making a lot more than that with your amazing step-by-step process. You could make more than that, just with the infomercial and ebook idea that I gave you.

The other thing that sounds suspicious about you is that, let's say you're doing alright and making a little bit money, then why do you have the time to get on the internet and stick your nose where it doesn't belong?

With that attitude you should work with OfferGrind.. :2 cents:

That does not surprise me at all.

I really wanted to let you carry on with your pathetic attempt at reverse psychology sales pitch but you suck so hard at it it was just fucking embarrassing and I had to say something.

So yeah sorry to shit in your thread but trust me, you shit on it long before I did. And you were just working your way from stupid to retarded so if anything I saved you some time.

You're welcome!

Joe is a good guy pompous. His site is making what he said and just asked if anyone wanted to buy it. No harm in that.

There are other people to attack... joe aint one of them.

OK. I don't know the guy, sorry the whole thing just seemed really dumb and I said so. I still think its dumb and I doubt I hurt his chances to sell it for that outrageous price, cause I don't think they ever existed.

Maybe his over evaluation if his domain and content are sincere. I love my work too, more than it deserves on it's own. But I wouldn't try to price it based on my own vanity because nobody wants to pay for that.

Prices are what the market will bear and the market aint' bearing shit right now.

This is hundredth thread trying to sell it

I like your content and agree it could make way more than it currently is, so don't take what I'm about to say as hate, just reality.

The fact is it would take time, money and resources to grow your site. Someone with $75k to invest would be better off investing that in new content that hasn't been online since 2001. They would still need $ to redo the site, buy traffic, update etc etc.

You claim it's one of the oldest running active amateur sites, to me an active site updates once a week, simple math dictates 13 years x 52 updates a year = 676 scenes. Not that double the scenes would double the value.

Listen to Arock he knows what he's talking about, discounting his advice/views just shows how unrealistic you are.

Fact is to speculate the value of your site is pointless. Some here say 10-14 months, you believe it's at minimum 36 months, I can tell you with certainty the true value... What someone is willing to pay! Look through the offers and that will tell you exactly what it's worth.

Again I'm not hating on you, just contributing to the thread and my experience as I've bought a site or two over the years.

I remember hearing once its 3 months rev the price to pay for a site. I wish you the best of luck selling it.

Brick and Mortar businesses are frequently priced at 24 months income.

Online businesses are highly volatile so 12 months is generous. Even 6 months is a huge risk. For all anyone knows serps could be in freefall, affiliates all stopped promoting, billing about to shut them off, pending lawsuit, any number of things that would be difficult or impossible to know as a buyer and on top of all that content, like the models themselves does not generally improve with age. (aside from that all important 100% improvement that happens on their 18th birthday)

And of course, nobody sells a cash cow. They keep it, care for it and milk it till it's dry.

damn, share your secrets!!!

without an affiliate program - i don't expect pompousjohn to share his secrets but if anybody else who actually is a webmaster here wants to take some guesses have at it!

if those stats are real , then i ll surely buy your ebook, if you selling one.
nice stats . keep it up.

Brick and mortar go for 5 years + from what I've seen.

When it comes to paysites there are many factors but the largest is the direction of the P&L. Downward spiral and it's tough to get 12 months, if it's on the way up you're looking at 18-36 months.

The line that kills me is... "Annual sales are only $X but I do no promotion and haven't pushed the sites in x amount of time, someone could kill it if they worked at it."
Then work at it and put it on the market when it's growing, otherwise you won't get anywhere near what you think it's worth.

ah i see what pompousjohn is doing - cam site and his own merchant account, his own third world cam studio etc

6 months a risk? Unless you lose the biller the rebills and trickle of traffic creating new sales will cover your investment without issue. 12 months being generous is likely correct but more of a reasonable offer based on the site/content, traffic sources and much more.

And I do agree, just keep it and let it go on auto pilot. Unless he needs the cash he will make more in the long haul than selling for 12 months or less income (again unless you lose your biller).

hey aren't you the guy rolling in the bucks that's much to busy to waste time sending a models contacts for $100?

Yeah not gonna share "secrets". Over the summer I had gotten into a routine on my fraud review and some of my more aggressive affiliates had learned some new tricks I wasn't looking out for. So the huge spike was actually a bad thing, as you can tell revenue is falling now and the increased security is making it harder for everyone.

I feel like I have a handle on the weak spots now, but yeah those income figures are unprecedented for me.

But my point is, yes the vendors I mentioned work for me, the real value is traffic. Then there's also strategy, vision, teamwork, management, all the stuff that's impossible to sell in a package.

The rest is just a fancy landing page.

Yes. Cam site, a handful of paysites, a dozen or so MIDS, 3 personally owned and operated cam studios in 3 diff. countries, etc.

I keep trying to get my stuff looking spiffy enough to pimp it on here but there seem to be a lot of glaring flaws that keep coming to light.

Right now I'm trying to find a way to get a rev share system going that works well and is affiliate friendly. Once that is done I will offer it publicly and not keep it private, invite only as it is now.

It's not invite only cause it's too good for anyone, it's just embarrassing how many loose ends there are and anyone wishing to promote needs to bring their own tools. So rather than get laughed out of town I build quietly and reveal it to people who need to know.

I mostly browse GFY looking for vendors and to keep an eye on the industry trends, not trying to sell anything (yet).

Good luck Joe,
Not sure why so many people are hating on him, he just wants to sell his property for the price he is requesting. It is his business.

because his first of several threads started in september of last year and people have been telling him the same information and he keeps ignoring and keeps not selling the site...

Yes, that's me. I would never send you any girl's contact info ever, especially not for $100.

No wonder he's pompous

Ah ok makes sense, I was going to yell FAKE since... well... we all know about the summer slow down.... ;)

Nice stats :thumbsup

Goodluck with the sale!

congratulations, you can now see the outcome of your thinking :thumbsup

I was wrong, $ 500 is too high.

Your site value is at $ 460.

But you'll be dam lucky to get that.

In terms of traffic though, it seems that legendary site YesSignals.com gets way more traffic than JoePusher.com. And for some reason, YesSignals is rated around the 12,500 mark in Pakistan... I wonder how that happened?

http://www.littlegrayguy.com/gfy/stats.jpg

Just added this new blindfolded Latina to JoePusher.com . Nice body. Real amateur, and she was paranoid about showing her face on camera. Another exclusive girl.

Just screen captures, so that's why the photo quality is low.

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/j.../penelope3.jpg

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/j.../penelope4.jpg

seriously, what is your problem?

We get it, no sig, but get a life & stop harassing this guy :disgust

We've tonnes of amateur content of British first time girls, similar to you.

Now, we've found our market is in voyeur & spy, it seems to have boosted our sales & business. Guys like to see me watched & spied on. Wishing you luck with your sale, maybe one day we'll be in the same position :thumbsup

After seeing this high quality sample, your site value just went down from $ 460, to $ 390.

Better sell it soon, before it drops to $ 300. 10 X the value of one membership, that is the going rate for outdated porn sites that can't compete with free tubes.

Hey, at least I'm being honest here. Everybody else is sugar coating your ass and for what? To stretch you out month after month with no offers?
Nice guys do finish last. You must be one hellava nice guy.

Ok, here's my respone to the several individuals who commented on what they believe the value of JoePusher.com is, and/or what the final sale price either should or shouldn't be.

Before I get started, I would like to thank everyone who posted on this topic, especially the negative comments, which gives the thread a lot more traction, and keeps it on the front page longer.

1.) The true value of an item is only determined after the buyer and seller both agree on a price and complete the exchange. A free market transaction takes place when the buyer and seller both value what the other person is offering higher than what they currently posses. So for example the seller of a website must value the x pile of cash higher than he does his website, and the buyer of the website must value the website higher than he does his x pile of cash. In other words, both parties must prefer the exchange over their current situation.

2.) The laws of "supply and demand" don't have anything to do with porn websites, porn scenes, or anything else that has artistic or subjective value such as music, or classic cars, etc. The reason is because these types of items are each differentiated from one another. No two are exactly the same, so there is only a quantity of 1 of each. For example, there are many websites, but there is only one JoePusher.com website, which means that JoePusher.com websites are in very short supply. You also wouldn't walk up to the counter and ask to buy 100 porn paysites, as if they were all the same. The rules of supply and demand pertain to commodities, which are usually mass produced, undifferentiated goods or services, such as crude oil, pork bellies, or certain categories of labor.

3.) Supposed formulas, where people try to predict what a price should be for an item are false, such as the "formulas" of x months of revenue to value a website. For example, one of the people who posted a reply seems to be absolutely sure that websites are supposed to sell for "10-14 months of net revenue". Why not 9-15 months? Why not 11-13 months? Or why not 12 months on the dot? It's because he
really doesn't know. The best he can do is guess.

These are some of the most basic free market principles, so I'm interested in seeing if any of you disagree with these points and why.