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tony286 11-01-2014 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pompousjohn (Post 20273481)
Brick and Mortar businesses are frequently priced at 24 months income.

Online businesses are highly volatile so 12 months is generous. Even 6 months is a huge risk. For all anyone knows serps could be in freefall, affiliates all stopped promoting, billing about to shut them off, pending lawsuit, any number of things that would be difficult or impossible to know as a buyer and on top of all that content, like the models themselves does not generally improve with age. (aside from that all important 100% improvement that happens on their 18th birthday)

And of course, nobody sells a cash cow. They keep it, care for it and milk it till it's dry.
Hence why I heard its 3 months rev.

arock10 11-01-2014 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by joepusher (Post 20274335)
Ok, here's my respone to the several individuals who commented on what they believe the value of JoePusher.com is, and/or what the final sale price either should or shouldn't be.

Before I get started, I would like to thank everyone who posted on this topic, especially the negative comments, which gives the thread a lot more traction, and keeps it on the front page longer.

1.) The true value of an item is only determined after the buyer and seller both agree on a price and complete the exchange. A free market transaction takes place when the buyer and seller both value what the other person is offering higher than what they currently posses. So for example the seller of a website must value the x pile of cash higher than he does his website, and the buyer of the website must value the website higher than he does his x pile of cash. In other words, both parties must prefer the exchange over their current situation.

2.) The laws of "supply and demand" don't have anything to do with porn websites, porn scenes, or anything else that has artistic or subjective value such as music, or classic cars, etc. The reason is because these types of items are each differentiated from one another. No two are exactly the same, so there is only a quantity of 1 of each. For example, there are many websites, but there is only one JoePusher.com website, which means that JoePusher.com websites are in very short supply. You also wouldn't walk up to the counter and ask to buy 100 porn paysites, as if they were all the same. The rules of supply and demand pertain to commodities, which are usually mass produced, undifferentiated goods or services, such as crude oil, pork bellies, or certain categories of labor.

3.) Supposed formulas, where people try to predict what a price should be for an item are false, such as the "formulas" of x months of revenue to value a website. For example, one of the people who posted a reply seems to be absolutely sure that websites are supposed to sell for "10-14 months of net revenue". Why not 9-15 months? Why not 11-13 months? Or why not 12 months on the dot? It's because he
really doesn't know. The best he can do is guess.

These are some of the most basic free market principles, so I'm interested in seeing if any of you disagree with these points and why.
Pretty sure an "antique" website isn't a good thing

10-14 is a rule of thumb determined by looking at lots of sites and buying lots of sites. I said 10-14 but probably lower since you aren't selling the content outright that goes with the site

Also the only person who cares about the brand is you. You are selling a commodity

NatalieK 11-01-2014 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 20274382)
Hence why I heard its 3 months rev.
Most businesses sell for a typical years profits, depending the type of business, businesses have sold for 3 times this :2 cents:

NewOldPlayer 11-01-2014 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by joepusher (Post 20274335)
Ok, here's my respone to the several individuals who commented on what they believe the value of JoePusher.com is, and/or what the final sale price either should or shouldn't be.

Before I get started, I would like to thank everyone who posted on this topic, especially the negative comments, which gives the thread a lot more traction, and keeps it on the front page longer.

1.) The true value of an item is only determined after the buyer and seller both agree on a price and complete the exchange. A free market transaction takes place when the buyer and seller both value what the other person is offering higher than what they currently posses. So for example the seller of a website must value the x pile of cash higher than he does his website, and the buyer of the website must value the website higher than he does his x pile of cash. In other words, both parties must prefer the exchange over their current situation.

2.) The laws of "supply and demand" don't have anything to do with porn websites, porn scenes, or anything else that has artistic or subjective value such as music, or classic cars, etc. The reason is because these types of items are each differentiated from one another. No two are exactly the same, so there is only a quantity of 1 of each. For example, there are many websites, but there is only one JoePusher.com website, which means that JoePusher.com websites are in very short supply. You also wouldn't walk up to the counter and ask to buy 100 porn paysites, as if they were all the same. The rules of supply and demand pertain to commodities, which are usually mass produced, undifferentiated goods or services, such as crude oil, pork bellies, or certain categories of labor.

3.) Supposed formulas, where people try to predict what a price should be for an item are false, such as the "formulas" of x months of revenue to value a website. For example, one of the people who posted a reply seems to be absolutely sure that websites are supposed to sell for "10-14 months of net revenue". Why not 9-15 months? Why not 11-13 months? Or why not 12 months on the dot? It's because he
really doesn't know. The best he can do is guess.

These are some of the most basic free market principles, so I'm interested in seeing if any of you disagree with these points and why.
1) I agree, that is why I'm offering you $ 360, the market value of your site.

2) You don't understand the concept of 'supply and demand.' There is no demand for pay adult websites because porn is free. Adult movies and pics are now free online. Where have you been the last 10 years? There are about a Gazillion free adult tube sites that display all the hottest porn you can ever imagine, all FREEEEEEEeeeeeee, eeeee, eeeee, eeee, eeeee, eeeee... (that's the echo because the free porn cave is so big)

3) Predicting the price for your site is easy. All the content for $ 29. All of it. Isn't that the going price you are currently selling it for to your members? But I am valuing it a little higher for the 1996 web design and rights ownership, so it's at 10 X 29 or $ 290, which equals about 1 year's income from your site's sales. So offering you $ 360 is a great offer, considering you are selling something that is already FREEEEEE every single place you go online.

It will take me over a year to recoup my $ 360, so snatch this offer up before I change my mind.

http://www.pearsonified.com/images/entries/dond.gif

Eye, dat's a good offer poppi, ju better take it caz we need $$ to turn da lights back on.

https://s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/j.../penelope3.jpg

Joshua G 11-01-2014 10:53 AM
Joe. why make this so complicated?

set your asking price. if theres no takers, lower your price until you get offers.

if you set a floor by which you wont lower the price any more, & you still dont have offers, your site is not the value you want it to be.

at that point you will have to change what you are willing to take, or you will have to build sales back up to where a buyer will offer you what you ask.

good luck on the sale.

:)

joepusher 11-01-2014 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh (Post 20274591)
Joe. why make this so complicated?

set your asking price. if theres no takers, lower your price until you get offers.

if you set a floor by which you wont lower the price any more, & you still dont have offers, your site is not the value you want it to be.

at that point you will have to change what you are willing to take, or you will have to build sales back up to where a buyer will offer you what you ask.

good luck on the sale.

:)
It's not complicated. The website is for sale, but it's just not for sale for less than 75k.

Thanks

marcop 11-01-2014 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joepusher (Post 20274335)
2.) The laws of "supply and demand" don't have anything to do with porn websites, porn scenes, or anything else that has artistic or subjective value such as music, or classic cars, etc. The reason is because these types of items are each differentiated from one another. No two are exactly the same, so there is only a quantity of 1 of each. For example, there are many websites, but there is only one JoePusher.com website, which means that JoePusher.com websites are in very short supply. You also wouldn't walk up to the counter and ask to buy 100 porn paysites, as if they were all the same. The rules of supply and demand pertain to commodities, which are usually mass produced, undifferentiated goods or services, such as crude oil, pork bellies, or certain categories of labor.
But haven't porn scenes become a commodity? They are mass produced, bought and sold in bulk--buyers frequently purchase lots of 100 porn scenes or more at a time--and seem to be subject to the usual laws of economics. You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence: "The rules of supply and demand pertain to commodities, which are usually mass produced, undifferentiated goods or services, such as crude oil, pork bellies, or certain categories of labor".

All the content you've created over the last decade (or more) has become devalued by the glut of porn in particular, and free porn in general. And that glut of adult content has turned it from a rare and easily differentiated good into a commodity.

Good luck with the sale.

signupdamnit 11-01-2014 04:05 PM
Good rule of thumb for selling in adult after 2008:

Take what you think it is worth and divide by three.

joepusher 11-01-2014 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by marcop (Post 20274776)
But haven't porn scenes become a commodity? They are mass produced, bought and sold in bulk--buyers frequently purchase lots of 100 porn scenes or more at a time--and seem to be subject to the usual laws of economics. You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence: "The rules of supply and demand pertain to commodities, which are usually mass produced, undifferentiated goods or services, such as crude oil, pork bellies, or certain categories of labor".

All the content you've created over the last decade (or more) has become devalued by the glut of porn in particular, and free porn in general. And that glut of adult content has turned it from a rare and easily differentiated good into a commodity.

Good luck with the sale.
First I just want to clarify that the laws of economics, such as "supply and demand", are always present. Those rules are always there, but I meant that since porn scenes are not a commodity, then the "supply" is only 1 scene at a time, and the "demand" is whoever may want to buy that 1 scene, and you can apply the same logic to 1 porn paysite.

From my understanding, the rule of thumb for identifying something as a commodity is that it is a mass produced item on the market that each unit of that product is basically the same as the next. So for example if you bought 100 tons of steel, then ton #1 is just the same as ton #86 or ton #93, and so on. Another example is that cotton is a commodity, but shirts are not.

As far as porn content becoming devalued, it just goes back to the same argument. Each photo, video, website, or whatever is going to depend on the subjective value assigned to it by the buyers and/or sellers, and the possibilities and scenarios are endless. One scene might sell for 10k and another scene might sell for 50 bucks. How can that be? It's because nobody can predict what individuals will prefer or value at any given time. It's impossible.

Slappin Fish 11-02-2014 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by joepusher (Post 20275012)
[...]such as "supply and demand", are always present. Those rules are always there, but I meant that since porn scenes are not a commodity, then the "supply" is only 1 scene at a time[..]
Meh.... you fail to understand you are not selling to end users... sticking with your book and music analogy it's more like a small publisher or record label selling their back catalog to another company. They will look for a hidden gem if none it will be priced according to revenue. It doesn't matter if that song is pruuuttier than this song they will still price it no differently than cars, beef or any other commodity. In this case you aren't actually selling exclusive rights or a strong brand, I just can't see it happening, but good luck with that :2 cents:

joepusher 11-02-2014 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Slappin Fish (Post 20275030)
Meh.... you fail to understand you are not selling to end users... sticking with your book and music analogy it's more like a small publisher or record label selling their back catalog to another company. They will look for a hidden gem if none it will be priced according to revenue. It doesn't matter if that song is pruuuttier than this song they will still price it no differently than cars, beef or any other commodity. In this case you aren't actually selling exclusive rights or a strong brand, I just can't see it happening, but good luck with that :2 cents:
Were you on acid when you wrote that paragraph above? Let me know if you are were on something at the time, or if you were just joking or something, because there's so much scrambled logic, that it can't be someones serious thoughts.

If it is real, then no disrespect, and I'll go ahead pick it apart.

Thanks

420 11-02-2014 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by joepusher (Post 20275681)
Were you on acid when you wrote that paragraph above? Let me know if you are were on something at the time, or if you were just joking or something, because there's so much scrambled logic, that it can't be someones serious thoughts.

If it is real, then no disrespect, and I'll go ahead pick it apart.

Thanks
:1orglaugh

You're making me think people on here are sometimes sober.

I naturally assumed currentlysober's poo talk was due to excessive drinking and or drug use.

AdultKing 11-02-2014 07:40 PM
If this site makes 25 - 30k a year (which I very much doubt) then the going rate is about 10k - 15k.

Asking $75k is lunacy and will simply reinforce the opinion of people commenting in this thread and those viewing it that the seller is delusional and probably not a good person to do business with in any circumstance.

Edit:

External Backlinks: 632

Referring Domains: 25

Referring IPs: 22

Referring Subnets: 21

Make that worth 1k max.

Slappin Fish 11-03-2014 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by joepusher (Post 20275681)
Were you on acid when you wrote that paragraph above? Let me know if you are were on something at the time, or if you were just joking or something, because there's so much scrambled logic, that it can't be someones serious thoughts.

If it is real, then no disrespect, and I'll go ahead pick it apart.

Thanks
Says the man who compares pricing his run-of-the-mill porn scenes to pricing art.....priceless :1orglaugh:1orglaugh



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disinfected 11-03-2014 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20275686)
If this site makes 25 - 30k a year (which I very much doubt) then the going rate is about 10k - 15k.

Asking $75k is lunacy and will simply reinforce the opinion of people commenting in this thread and those viewing it that the seller is delusional and probably not a good person to do business with in any circumstance.

Edit:

External Backlinks: 632

Referring Domains: 25

Referring IPs: 22

Referring Subnets: 21

Make that worth 1k max.
Wat?? What does your backlink search have to do with net worth?

How do you think that a site making 30K/year gets a price tag of 10-15K? From what experience do these numbers come from?

I know Joe, I mentioned that the deal would have to include the updates for a serious buyer. Those terms would have to be worked out.

But why would you doubt someone that has been doing this since 2005 and likely before? What does it matter to you... you think he is scamming or something?

2 things that bother me with your post:

"which I very much doubt".... it is fucking true. Should every fact get funneled through your department first?

your nonsense about back linking and YOUR knowledge about making sales. Because I'm going to say straight up... you don't have a clue about that shit.

Stick to what you know. And don't piss on other people's parade. You go after people that steal shit from others and now you are going after someone that has been legitimately working in adult every day, hustling to make ends meet, posting his own life on the web to make money, and you "highly doubt it?".

Total bullshit reply on your part.

AdultKing 11-03-2014 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by disinfected (Post 20275830)
How do you think that a site making 30K/year gets a price tag of 10-15K? From what experience do these numbers come from?
Almost 20 years of being a webmaster and more than 18 years of Internet Marketing experience in both adult and mainstream. I registered my first domain in 1993, when did you start ?

disinfected 11-03-2014 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20275846)
Almost 20 years of being a webmaster and more than 18 years of Internet Marketing experience in both adult and mainstream. I registered my first domain in 1993, when did you start ?
I started in 2008.

And I know that what you said, up top, is not accurate. You cannot gage a site's success by doing a back check on links.

I have a site right now that makes over 100K per year on less then 300 uniques per day. I also have a site...

never mind.

AdultKing 11-03-2014 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by disinfected (Post 20275830)
hustling to make ends meet
You said it yourself, if he's having to hustle just to make ends meet then there's a problem :2 cents:

disinfected 11-03-2014 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by AdultKing (Post 20275867)
You said it yourself, if he's having to hustle just
I didn't say "just"... I said he is a worker. Making shit happen, living it up. What the fuck is wrong with you man?

I swear... you sound like a third grader who didn't get his way and now hates everyone.

Not even sure what to say now. Good luck.

AdultKing 11-03-2014 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by disinfected (Post 20275886)
I didn't say "just"... I said he is a worker. Making shit happen, living it up. What the fuck is wrong with you man?.
Most people commenting in this thread have told the OP his price is unrealistic. Several of them with extensive experience in pricing sites and running sites.

You and the OP are the ones bucking that trend, obviously you're close but seriously - there is no way the OP will get the price he is asking, not even close.


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