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Tasty1 10-22-2014 08:16 AM
Ah, they want double. There is already VAT you pay to your provider i think.
Maybe they must split it to get the people accepting it.

Like first: only exta tax on porn (the church will love it). Than move to extra tax on playing online games (parents will love it) and than tax on using dating websites and in the end, tax it all! That is how politicians like to do it. Just like an internet filter for CP, than for all porn, and than for everything the government don't like, or you can only access if you pay extra tax. And in the mean time they watch over your shoulder to look what you are doing online. I hope i don't give them ideas.

Klen 10-22-2014 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 20262246)
Ah, they want double. There is already VAT you pay to your provider i think.
Maybe they must split it to get the people accepting it.

Like first: only exta tax on porn (the church will love it). Than move to extra tax on playing online games (parents will love it) and than tax on using dating websites and in the end, tax it all! That is how politicians like to do it. Just like an internet filter for CP, than for all porn, and than for everything the government don't like, or you can only access if you pay extra tax. And in the mean time they watch over your shoulder to look what you are doing online. I hope i don't give them ideas.
Forwarded this to Orban :1orglaugh

signupdamnit 10-22-2014 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by evy97 (Post 20261645)
it's capped at 700HUF/month (?2.3). not a big deal.
That's about what I heard as well. Actually their internet prices there are far below what many of us in America have to pay. I'd gladly pay an extra $5 a month to have the rates they are paying in Hungary.

TeenCat 10-22-2014 09:18 AM
wow, man, that is seriously ill ... and meanwhile, ex hitlers jobik jugend is making parties and official meetings ... seriously, some fucked up things in your country ... do they know it is 21st century already? :2 cents:

_Richard_ 10-22-2014 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20261736)
I'm surprised the US doesn't have a tax yet since all "utilities" do.
they have been trying here.. why this is kinda strange

michael.kickass 10-22-2014 09:46 AM
Damn taxes!

Matyko 10-22-2014 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Quine (Post 20262032)
It's funny when I see many people in my country (Croatia) telling that we need a strong leader like Viktor Orban, to unite as and lead us out of recession.
you have no idea about the fucking retarded INSANITY that goes on here via the rampage of viktor orban and his buddies... :( :error :helpme:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:mad::mad::mad::disgust:disgust

Cherry7 10-22-2014 01:33 PM
Tax is not bad.

Taxes can be very good. Look at countries with high taxation they are some of the best countries in the World to live in.

Of course if like the USA you spend all your tax on foreign wars and let your cities go to shit taxes are wasted.

But a tax on internet usage funded into support for home grown movie making, journalism, music making would go a long way to refunding areas destroyed by illegal usage by Google.

spads 10-22-2014 03:38 PM
It's not surprising at all that this is happening in Hungary. It's a country run almost entirely by neo-nazi thugs. When your talking points are a bunch of nationalist garbage, restricting information is the most effective way of getting the masses on your side.

spads 10-22-2014 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20262320)
That's about what I heard as well. Actually their internet prices there are far below what many of us in America have to pay. I'd gladly pay an extra $5 a month to have the rates they are paying in Hungary.
You're joking right? Of course it's cheaper than it is in the US. The average salary in Budapest is like $700 after taxes and that's the financial capital of the country.

_Richard_ 10-22-2014 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by spads (Post 20262883)
You're joking right? Of course it's cheaper than it is in the US. The average salary in Budapest is like $700 after taxes and that's the financial capital of the country.
a lot of people don't really take that into account. ie, piracy in countries where a 'full priced movie' would feed a family for a month etc.

i mean, i knew this myself, but didn't really truly comprehend till going to a place where the products i get for $20 are something like .20-$5

nico-t 10-22-2014 03:56 PM
Governments: Making rules and regulations solely for their own financial gain, wrapped into fabricated arguments to dupe the naive part of the cattle. The formula for success for centuries.

Matyko 10-22-2014 11:50 PM
http://img.444.hu/netadoWP.png
http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...b18_story.html

http://img.444.hu/netadoWSJ.png
http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/...-internet-use/

http://img.444.hu/netadoSKY.png
http://news.sky.com/story/1358133/ne...sed-in-hungary

http://img.444.hu/netadoRT.png
http://rt.com/news/198032-hungary-internet-tax-protest/

http://img.444.hu/netadoFT.png
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2473b...#axzz3GuOj7rd3

http://img.444.hu/netadoEN.png
http://www.euronews.com/2014/10/22/h...and-providers/

http://img.444.hu/netadoAJ.png
http://www.abqjournal.com/484108/abq...ernet-use.html

Quine 10-23-2014 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Cherry7 (Post 20262724)
Tax is not bad.

Taxes can be very good. Look at countries with high taxation they are some of the best countries in the World to live in.
Correlation does not imply causation. They were successful before high taxes and they would be even more successful with lower taxes. Here's a great blog post from some Hungarian entrepreneur, it's worth reading:
This is why I don't give you a job.

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Originally Posted by spads (Post 20262877)
It's not surprising at all that this is happening in Hungary. It's a country run almost entirely by neo-nazi thugs.
Is it really like that?
Quote:
THOUGHT CRIMES IN BUDAPEST
To hear the castrated voices of the sold-out-to-globalists Western press tell it, Hungary is a viper?s nest of ?neo-fascists? and ?far right? meanies who sit around denying the Holocaust when they aren?t beating up Gypsies and urinating on the homeless. From all the hype, one would think that Zsa Zsa Gabor?s birthplace would at least be a safe haven for a genteel group of neo-reactionary intellectuals to hold a conference with the decided non-inflammatory title of ?The Future of Europe: Its Culture, People, And Civilization.?

The conference, which had been scheduled for October 3-5 at a Budapest hotel, was to feature American Renaissance editor Jared Taylor, Croatian academic Tomislav Sunić, Russian philosopher Aleksandr Dugin, French identitarian Philippe Vardon, Austrian-born identitarian Markus Willinger, former Taki?s Mag editor Richard B. Spencer of the National Policy Institute, and Marton Gyöngyösi of Hungary?s ?far right? Jobbik Party.

But on September 29, Hungary?s Minister of Interior issued a statement banning the conference and calling the National Policy Institute a ?white supremacy? organization. Jobbik?s Marton Gyöngyösi appeared to have a sudden Saul of Tarsus moment, and after the scales fell from his eyes he told The Wall Street Journal, ?I can hardly sympathize with the views of some of the speakers?namely those of the US racists; I don?t share their ideologies at all.? Dugin was denied a visa. Publisher William Regnery II of the National Policy Institute was detained at the Hungarian border, jailed overnight, and then deported to London.

?And doublespeak held illimitable dominion over all.?
Most egregiously, Hungarian police crashed a pre-conference get-together at the Clock Café in Budapest, locking it down and grilling bar patrons for hours before arresting Richard Spencer on the pretense that he wasn?t carrying a passport. Spencer would spend the next three days under the thumb of Hungarian authorities?much of it in a jail cell?before being deported.

But by the time Hungary?s allegedly ?far right? government was done, only Jared Taylor and Tom Sunić managed to squeak past authorities and deliver speeches?and then only over a hastily arranged private dinner at a Budapest restaurant rather than in the conference room at the hotel, which had pulled out of booking the event and canceled attendees? room reservations in the wake of negative publicity and the government crackdown.

In true leftist turd-slinging ad-hominem fashion?it?s quite obvious they are capable of no other argumentative style?the Daily Beast dubbed Spencer a ?white nationalist creep? who harbors ?odious views? as well as ?stupid and bigoted thoughts.? Naturally, the article failed to present even one of these odious views or stupid thoughts for public scrutiny because, you know, they present a clear and present danger of infecting people?s minds. ?It?s time to shine a 1,000 watt light on these idiots,? mewled some over-emotive moron in the comments section. Yes, pulling the plug on them and refusing to allow them to even speak is the most efficient method of shining a light on them. Increasingly, it?s becoming obvious that the only remaining acceptable speech is doublespeak.



http://takimag.com/article/the_week_...#ixzz3Gy2M70jR

california 10-23-2014 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 20262663)
you have no idea about the fucking retarded INSANITY that goes on here via the rampage of viktor orban and his buddies... :( :error :helpme:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:Oh crap:mad::mad::mad::disgust:disgust
Can you name a few examples? I'm curious about what's going on there.

DamageX 10-23-2014 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by california (Post 20263431)
Can you name a few examples? I'm curious about what's going on there.
Here's a simple one: they changed the law so that cigarettes and other tobacco products can only be sold in specialty stores, with a license to sell such products. So now, instead of buying your smokes at the kiosk in front of the subway station, you get to make a 5 min detour to buy them. Sure, not the end of the world for smokers themselves. But this not only created a tobacco cartel, where the license approval process turns very corrupt, but it also cut into the profits of the average small-guy shop owner. Not to mention that it makes price hikes much more likely, due to a number of reasons.

Booze, on the other hand, is till being sold freely. :)

L-Pink 10-23-2014 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 20263240)
You're right, excellent read. :thumbsup

Dave-U 10-23-2014 06:56 AM
THere are also lots of entertaining memes on the topic :)

"Internet Tax Presents..

Low Budget Fapping"


http://img9.hvg.hu/image.aspx?id=a29...d-93ef40e228f7

And this one..

http://img9.hvg.hu/image.aspx?id=d83...5-32203afa118c

DamageX 10-23-2014 07:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave-U (Post 20263490)
THere are also lots of entertaining memes on the topic :)

"Internet Tax Presents..

Low Budget Fapping"


http://img9.hvg.hu/image.aspx?id=a29...d-93ef40e228f7
:1orglaugh :thumbsup

california 10-23-2014 07:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20263440)
Here's a simple one: they changed the law so that cigarettes and other tobacco products can only be sold in specialty stores, with a license to sell such products. So now, instead of buying your smokes at the kiosk in front of the subway station, you get to make a 5 min detour to buy them. Sure, not the end of the world for smokers themselves. But this not only created a tobacco cartel, where the license approval process turns very corrupt, but it also cut into the profits of the average small-guy shop owner. Not to mention that it makes price hikes much more likely, due to a number of reasons.

Booze, on the other hand, is till being sold freely. :)
Sounds like a nice gift to a particular lobby and a nuisance to consumers but hardly uncommon in Europe. Lots of licensed stores e.g. in the UK

DamageX 10-23-2014 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by california (Post 20263547)
Sounds like a nice gift to a particular lobby and a nuisance to consumers but hardly uncommon in Europe. Lots of licensed stores e.g. in the UK
Obviously. But still, we're talking about a country that's been fairly liberal post iron curtain, which is now moving more and more towards a controlled society. Today cigarettes, tomorrow who-knows-what.

california 10-23-2014 08:17 AM
Right, it usually starts with minor regulations and gets worse from there.

That said, someone mentioned a fascist dictatorship and insanity earlier in the thread.

This internet tax IS clearly insane.

I'm genuinely curious as to what is going on there

MaDalton 10-23-2014 08:39 AM
i dont give a shit about cigarette stores

but for example they raised a 40% tax on profits for private media companies which more or less forces private media companies out of business so they can sell you only government approved (and dictated) news

i have no idea (sorry HU people) how incredibly stupid 60% of voters can be to vote for their own downfall (but we had that in 1933 already)

DamageX 10-23-2014 08:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20263636)
i dont give a shit about cigarette stores

but for example they raised a 40% tax on profits for private media companies which more or less forces private media companies out of business so they can sell you only government approved (and dictated) news
Same thing, really, policy wise. The government dictates how and where cigarettes should be sold. The government dictates how and where private media companies can get their news. Of course, the latter being significantly more serious, since it limits the access to independent news...

adultwebmestar 10-23-2014 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20263636)
i dont give a shit about cigarette stores

but for example they raised a 40% tax on profits for private media companies which more or less forces private media companies out of business so they can sell you only government approved (and dictated) news

i have no idea (sorry HU people) how incredibly stupid 60% of voters can be to vote for their own downfall (but we had that in 1933 already)
because we can't make good decision...
mszp was a disaster too (liar, corrupt party)

MaDalton 10-23-2014 08:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20263648)
Same thing, really, policy wise. The government dictates how and where cigarettes should be sold. The government dictates how and where private media companies can get their news. Of course, the latter being significantly more serious, since it limits the access to independent news...
if i was the government i'd outlaw cigarettes completely

california 10-23-2014 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20263667)
if i was the government i'd outlaw cigarettes completely
kind of ironic isn't it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-to...n_Nazi_Germany

MaDalton 10-23-2014 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by california (Post 20263682)
yeah - it is :1orglaugh

i just really hate smoke

DamageX 10-23-2014 09:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20263667)
if i was the government i'd outlaw cigarettes completely
I'm a on-an-off smoker. Every time I quit I think about how much easier it would be if there was no temptation, i.e. nowhere to buy cigarettes. But that would just move the business underground, assuming ALL countries would ban them. If not, then the cigarette smuggling business would flourish to never-before-seen levels. Think of the prohibition.

california 10-23-2014 09:15 AM
me too cause it's hard to quit LOL

california 10-23-2014 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 20263692)
I'm a on-an-off smoker. Every time I quit I think about how much easier it would be if there was no temptation, i.e. nowhere to buy cigarettes. But that would just move the business underground, assuming ALL countries would ban them. If not, then the cigarette smuggling business would flourish to never-before-seen levels. Think of the prohibition.
yep. i think so, too

MaDalton 10-23-2014 09:21 AM
i quit 10 years ago - no idea how i ever could have been that stupid

_Richard_ 10-23-2014 09:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave-U (Post 20263490)
THere are also lots of entertaining memes on the topic :)

"Internet Tax Presents..

Low Budget Fapping"


http://img9.hvg.hu/image.aspx?id=a29...d-93ef40e228f7

And this one..

http://img9.hvg.hu/image.aspx?id=d83...5-32203afa118c
and if goes through and spreads to different countries.. :Oh crap

sandman! 10-23-2014 09:30 AM
Govmt will allways find new ways to tax :2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

Matyko 10-29-2014 05:28 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...dcaf3f27025339

DamageX 10-29-2014 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 20270544)
Holy shit...


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