why do you suppose me asking silly conspiracy questions for fun are hate threads? you have a shitty negative outlook on life? just sayin you know? :winkwink:

I am free from all restraints from evil corporations, I display this by repeating the latest sales pitch of other corporations instead.

I am Jack's ignorant hypocrisy...

I can get onboard with that.

Everyone should. It doesn't matter to me what OS you use, what phone you use, or what car you drive. I don't understand why people get their panties in such a bunch over what someone else buys or spends their money on.

All that matters is be happy with what you have. If you are happy as a Windows or Linux user, awesome, more power to you. But get off my dick about being a Mac user.

you're the guy upset about being a 'macky' we don't give a fuck, you've done nothing but try and justify your mackyness this entire thread... why the shame??? :2 cents:

Yet, here you are in other threads being upset about us "mackys" :upsidedow:upsidedow

GrapeSoda just gets bored and then tries to figure out ways to get people fired up. If talking shit about Mac boys will do it - he's happy to engage. I think he's addicted to conflict personally. He can't go a day without either starting it or being involved in it. I wish he'd get out of the woods before all that boredom gets the best of him :winkwink:

dude, look how much trouble you went to trying to alleviate your shame... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

just such an easy target :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

GS and I do the same thing. Stir the pot.

If Mac users could SHUT THE FUCK UP about how Apple's shit doesn't smell, then I bet not many people would have a problem with what they're using. :)

that's exactly it...

if mac users were fanatical about their cars instead of computers, it would go something like this:

"I went to pick up my kids from school in my chevy"
"so I was driving in my chevy, and this guy almost crashed into me"
"Hey, I'll be late, I'm stuck in traffic in my chevy"
"oh? you are going to get your oil changed? I have never changed oil in my chevy and it still runs great!"
"I'll pick you up at 8, in my chevy"...
"I turn the ignition, and my chevy 'just works'"

or if they were fanatical about tools:

"so I was fixing my kids bike with my craftsman tool set"
"I put together some furniture today, with my crafstman screw driver.."

etc. etc... :1orglaugh

just think about it... would a normal person EVER mention the fact that they used a craftsman screw driver when putting together furniture? then why would anyone EVER mention they used a mac when sending out an email?

Well said, fine sire :thumbsup

:thumbsup:1orglaugh

Makes sense. If your existence is challenged by using inferior equipment, attack the base that uses superior equipment. You just solved PC vs. Mac. Why didn't anyone say this before. Could have ended this whole thing 20 years ago.

:1orglaugh

Blue Pen Owner: I don't like your red pen because it sucks.

Red Pen Owner: Okay, I like my red pen. It's nice.

Blue Pen Owner: Yeah but it sucks, you paid way too much money for it. How stupid are you?

Red Pen Owner: I don't know. It writes nice. It's pretty. I like it. Feels nice in my hand. It's a nice pen.

Blue Pen Owner: You really are stupid, aren't you? How could you possibly be willing to pay more money for a red pen than a blue pen. The blue pen is just as good as the red pen. Idiot.

Red Pen Owner: If you say so, but I like my red pen. It writes nice, it's pretty, hasn't failed me yet.

Blue Pen Owner: Idiot! You just don't get it!

Red Pen Owner: You're right. I don't get it. I'm happy, I like my pen, I may have paid a little more money but I don't really care, I have no complaints, I'm not poking you with my pen, but for whatever reason you are angry and keep telling me that my red pen sucks. You're absolutely right. I'm the idiot.

Blue Pen Owner: IDIOT!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...nailed-it1.gif

Red Pen Owner: I can't wait for my red pen volume 16516516851. Its going to be the best ever, it comes with all these gadgets and it JUST WORKS

Blue Pen Owner: Sigh. 3 months is over already eh? Hey, i thought Volume 16516516850 was the best ever?

Red Pen Owner: It was the best ever! This is just the CONTINUATION of BEING the best ever! How dare you question the great and mighty apple?

Blue Pen Owner: yes i am sorry for questioning the great and mighty apple

Red Pen Owner: You idiots always come in our endless supply of 'new update/new gadget' circle jerks and QUESTION our views of the world!

Blue Pen Owner: Public discourse has a bad habit of inviting public discourse..

Red Pen Owner: Idiot! You just don't get it! Probably because of your inferior products!

Blue Pen Owner: You're right. I don't get it. But for shits and giggles, apple sucks

Blue Pen Owner: http://media.giphy.com/media/10gJ56utzyJPYk/giphy.gif

Red Pen Owner: I just bought a red pen and I love it, anyone have any good suggestions on clips that are made for it I can buy?

Blue Pen Owner: Omg you idiot I can buy a blue pen with the same clips and better color cartridges I can swap out and even be a purple pen! You're all sheep over spending on your pens!

Red Pen Owner: I like my red pen and sure I can customize it more if I bought a blue pen, but I don't care to customize it and am happy with my red pen.

Blue Pen Owner: ANYONE ELSE SICK OF HEARING ABOUT RED PENS OMG EVERY DAY A NEW RED PEN THREAD, WHY DO RED PEN OWNERS ALWAYS HAVE TO SPECIFY THEY ARE RED PEN OWNERS?!?!

Red Pen Owner: Calm down man, I like my red pen and choose to spend my money on it, if you like your blue pen, cool.

Blue Pen Owner: idiot sheep crapple steve jobs dick sucker blah blah blah *incoherent rambling*

PC Owners hate Mac owners, but they don't know why.

Mac owners do not hate PC owners, and PC owners don't know why.

And so it goes.

And yet 100% of these threads are started by the haters!

I had to buy a Macbook pro for an iOS development class I'm taking and to be honest I don't like using it. It's always closed and put away on the far corner of my desk until I need it for school work and once work is done I put it away again.
Im always on my windows laptop, so much easier to use and I get my work done faster on Windows.

I WANTED to love the Mac because I like my ipad and iphone and thought it would be so cool to have everything synced up and that it would be some superior experience to what I knew and that I'd be on it all the time but I really dont like it.

The shortcuts are easier on Win, on Mac you need to hit 3 keys at the same time to do something you can do easily on Windows. The other day I wrote out a whole page and when I hit fn + delete it did a back page and deleted everything I wrote, very frustrating. And why do I need 3 keys to do a screen shot, or to get to the bottom of the page or and of a line?
Right now as we speak Im trying to drag a few pictures into a folder and it wont let me. If this were Windows it would be done.

Im looking forward to when my project is over so I can either put this macbook away or sell it on Ebay and never use one again.
Plus all this money and no touch screen?

I dont care about brand names or whatever, im looking at what tool gets my work done faster and what is more enjoyable to use.

If you can settle for a non-Apple phone and tablet, the Google ecosystem does a decent job of what the Apple sharing provides. I have a droid, and I can still use my Google ecosystem on my Macbook Pro and Mac Pro Desktop, but not the other way around, if I had an iPhone.

I think we've clearly established for the retards here that Macs are not for everyone. Just as Canon is not for everyone, Ford is not for everyone and GFY is not for everyone.

Now maybe you whiny little Mac haters can find something else to complain about :1orglaugh

Well done :thumbsup
The funny thing is that red pen owners still would not get it and think that blue pen owners are in the wrong in this example :1orglaugh

And blue pen owner school reddie once again :thumbsup :winkwink:

Macs are PCs for n00bs.

Obviously you are stupid.

The only people I see making serious money from mobile apps have developed them in Objective C and Cocoa using Xcode.

Obviously as you are "so smart" you'd know exactly how to code in Xcode on a Mac ?

Nah, didn't think so. :error

Here's some red meat for PC die-hards...

... The latest OS for Mac, called Yosemite, is dare I say it, a little buggy. I've been running it for about a week now and I've found 2 annoying issues.

The first is that sound does not always work when I am in dual screen / extended desktop mode. The internal speaker option disappears, and or wants to send audio to the other monitor, and or is replaced with optical out. To fix it I have to plug and unplug my headphones into the port. Very strange.

The other pain is that Safari is fast on some sites, but slow on others. It's not cookies or other old data because its happening on a brand new HD (an SSD drive). I also know its on my connection as other browsers run nice and fast.

This is honestly the first time I've had annoying issues with the Mac - hopefully updates will be released soon.

Ok PC Peeps? Are we square now?

Red Pen Owner:
I have been using blue pens for years, but after I switched to a red pen I have been so much more productive. I swear, before I could hardly come up with a sentence but now I'm writing fucking poems like a new William Shakespeare. It's amazing!

Red Pen Owner:
Red pens are not like blue pens. These just works, and never fails. There is this 'Pen Care' though. Not sure why it exists, because as I just said red pens never fails. Anyhow, IF it happens you will be glad to have 'Pen Care'. You just send in your red pen, and get a new one. Blue pens have this service called "2 Year Warranty", but it is not a catchy name.

Red Pen Owner:
Heard about the new generation red pen comming tomorrow? It is so much better than current pen, that people have been sleeping in front of stores for days, just to be the first to get their hands on one. It's bigger, it's lighter and got this awesome new look. Also require its own special pen stand now. Old pen and competition is so yesterday.

Red Pen Owner:
Red pens cost more than blue pens, but they are also superior to blue pens. Did I mention productivity and how they just works?

Blue Pen Owner:
It is a pen. It is made in China like other pens. There are blue pens just as good or better.

(pause)

Red Pen Owner:
Blue pens suck. I was an experienced blue pen user for years, and I can tell the red pen is so much better. Red pens just works, never fails and I get much more work done now. Writing with a new color pen is so much faster...

Blue Pen Owner: !!

A yes I can't make apps for toys. I'm stupid.

Actually back when I had my iPhone 3GS and iPad 1 I wanted to try making an app. Only to find out it required me to buy a Mac. You know what Apple? Fuck you!
Needless to say I got rid of both. Now my father is the owner and is ok happy with both. Only issue is Apple have cripled both with their updates, so they have been increasingly laggy.

What I meant was, if you aren't able to build a stable PC or choose a quality product, then Apple is probably your best bet.

It's easy, it works, it never fails. It must be the perfect product for people not able to solve problems.

Most developers I know use a Mac. I wouldn't call then noobs, which was my point.

I can build a PC to any specification possible, but I choose to use a Mac because I don't need to build anything to get a great system. The OS alone is reason enough for me to own a Mac, because it runs a very stable UNIX operating system, with a fantastic GUI and the best development tools that exist. Plus I can run Windows on it using Parallels with no noticeable speed degradation.

My current laptop is an early 2009 17 inch Macbook Pro. It never let me down. The only thing I changed about it is that I replaced my cd-rom drive with an SSD.

The only thing I don't like about it is that Apple doesn't produce 17 inch models anymore :Oh crap

That's the reason, why I still use this old one.

I can't take anything you people say seriously when you spew bullshit like this.

Maybe do some research on the subject at hand before you start slinging retardation around the place? I can develop Android, Windows Phone, iOS and even Blackberry apps on Mac, Linux and Windows.

But I wouldn't expect a simpleton to know that.

Now get the fuck off my lawn.

Interesting, I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with Yosemite. Only issue I had was RES on Safari is shit compared to RES on Chrome.

on the newer macs upgrading ram is a thing of the past.

No you can't. Xcode wont run on Windows. Maybe if you do some serious operating system hacking but you can't run Xcode on Windows off the shelf.

You can't even develop apps on an iPad, you must use a Mac.
Not complaining, just stating a fact. It was a brilliant move by Steve Jobs btw, I admire that business decision to only allow iOS apps to be developed using only Macs for quality control and business reasons.

You are incorrect. There are workarounds.

Just stating a fact. :winkwink:

I used a very cool new tool called Google to find this instruction sheet: https://www.udemy.com/blog/xcode-on-windows/

That was one, of dozens.

Did you read when I said "without some serious operating system hacking"
and where I said "off the shelf"? ;)

Good luck with building a hackintosh. I spent a day trying and following 3 different youtube videos and found it frustrating. You have to download Mac OS software from pirate torrent websites, who knows what youre getting?

I also went to an iOS developers meetup meeting and discussed it and every single person there and no one had any idea how to run Xcode on Windows. These are professional techies and they ALL recommended I "Just get a used Mac on ebay".

I have used Mac's since the mid 90's and aside from a few minor problems, they are great. I listen to my friends with PC's do nothing but piss and moan about the problems. also, Mac's Apple-care is fantastic.

Something that will really piss you PC diehards off:

I'm very in tune and close to many let's say, "fellows of the dark web".

Most of them are on Macs these days.

Macs are the preferred development machines in some of the most hardcore under web development circles in the country.

Like it or not. Maybe you're just behind the times and refuse to adapt with the community.

Doesn't it make you mad, that most of the PC elite that all you PC guys worship even went to Mac?

:2 cents:

I have an iPhone and iPad. Been great experience with both.

It hasn't hit the 4 year mark with either of them. I find I usually have to upgrade my PCs around that time due to speed issues, but then again I do more work on the PCs.

Once again you're wrong.

Clearly you don't understand development and tools available to you. Because once again, I can develop all major mobile OS apps on all 3 major computer OS's.

Dig deep, you'll find out. And no you don't have to hack Windows, no you don't have to use a Hackintosh either.

What's even great is I can do all this from the same codebase, for all 3 major mobile operating systems.

The very first thing my iOS professor said in the first 10 minutes of the class was "If you want to build an iOS app, then you will need a Mac.
I'm sorry for Windows users but I don't make the rules I just follow them."

If you know something my expert level iOS professor doesn't I'd like to hear it.


Just saying "you're wrong" doesnt mean anything. Tell me how Im wrong.
"Dig deep" is useless. if you can tell us how to run Xcode and develop iOS apps on Windows without hacking Windows then tell us how.

The idea that your professor is "expert level" is nonsense. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Most likely, he has built a few apps -- maybe even a famous app -- but if he doesn't even know about Xamarin and the half dozen other tools to develop for iOS on Windows, then he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

You'll still need a Mac to "sign" the app, but there are ways around that.

Yeah and my "expert level" teacher in high school also said you cannot create good websites unless you use Adobe Dreamweaver. Doesn't mean he's right.

What if I told you, you could create iOS, Android, Blackberry, and Windows Phone apps using the same tools you use to build your website, without learning Java, C++ or even .NET?

Google search, I could give you the answers, but clearly you follow the rules of people who haven't paid attention to what's happening in the world of development since the 80's.

you flatter yourself, we could care less :2 cents: