PC Owners hate Mac owners, but they don't know why.

Mac owners do not hate PC owners, and PC owners don't know why.

And so it goes.

And yet 100% of these threads are started by the haters!

I had to buy a Macbook pro for an iOS development class I'm taking and to be honest I don't like using it. It's always closed and put away on the far corner of my desk until I need it for school work and once work is done I put it away again.
Im always on my windows laptop, so much easier to use and I get my work done faster on Windows.

I WANTED to love the Mac because I like my ipad and iphone and thought it would be so cool to have everything synced up and that it would be some superior experience to what I knew and that I'd be on it all the time but I really dont like it.

The shortcuts are easier on Win, on Mac you need to hit 3 keys at the same time to do something you can do easily on Windows. The other day I wrote out a whole page and when I hit fn + delete it did a back page and deleted everything I wrote, very frustrating. And why do I need 3 keys to do a screen shot, or to get to the bottom of the page or and of a line?
Right now as we speak Im trying to drag a few pictures into a folder and it wont let me. If this were Windows it would be done.

Im looking forward to when my project is over so I can either put this macbook away or sell it on Ebay and never use one again.
Plus all this money and no touch screen?

I dont care about brand names or whatever, im looking at what tool gets my work done faster and what is more enjoyable to use.

If you can settle for a non-Apple phone and tablet, the Google ecosystem does a decent job of what the Apple sharing provides. I have a droid, and I can still use my Google ecosystem on my Macbook Pro and Mac Pro Desktop, but not the other way around, if I had an iPhone.

I think we've clearly established for the retards here that Macs are not for everyone. Just as Canon is not for everyone, Ford is not for everyone and GFY is not for everyone.

Now maybe you whiny little Mac haters can find something else to complain about :1orglaugh

Well done :thumbsup
The funny thing is that red pen owners still would not get it and think that blue pen owners are in the wrong in this example :1orglaugh

And blue pen owner school reddie once again :thumbsup :winkwink:

Macs are PCs for n00bs.

Obviously you are stupid.

The only people I see making serious money from mobile apps have developed them in Objective C and Cocoa using Xcode.

Obviously as you are "so smart" you'd know exactly how to code in Xcode on a Mac ?

Nah, didn't think so. :error

Here's some red meat for PC die-hards...

... The latest OS for Mac, called Yosemite, is dare I say it, a little buggy. I've been running it for about a week now and I've found 2 annoying issues.

The first is that sound does not always work when I am in dual screen / extended desktop mode. The internal speaker option disappears, and or wants to send audio to the other monitor, and or is replaced with optical out. To fix it I have to plug and unplug my headphones into the port. Very strange.

The other pain is that Safari is fast on some sites, but slow on others. It's not cookies or other old data because its happening on a brand new HD (an SSD drive). I also know its on my connection as other browsers run nice and fast.

This is honestly the first time I've had annoying issues with the Mac - hopefully updates will be released soon.

Ok PC Peeps? Are we square now?

Red Pen Owner:
I have been using blue pens for years, but after I switched to a red pen I have been so much more productive. I swear, before I could hardly come up with a sentence but now I'm writing fucking poems like a new William Shakespeare. It's amazing!

Red Pen Owner:
Red pens are not like blue pens. These just works, and never fails. There is this 'Pen Care' though. Not sure why it exists, because as I just said red pens never fails. Anyhow, IF it happens you will be glad to have 'Pen Care'. You just send in your red pen, and get a new one. Blue pens have this service called "2 Year Warranty", but it is not a catchy name.

Red Pen Owner:
Heard about the new generation red pen comming tomorrow? It is so much better than current pen, that people have been sleeping in front of stores for days, just to be the first to get their hands on one. It's bigger, it's lighter and got this awesome new look. Also require its own special pen stand now. Old pen and competition is so yesterday.

Red Pen Owner:
Red pens cost more than blue pens, but they are also superior to blue pens. Did I mention productivity and how they just works?

Blue Pen Owner:
It is a pen. It is made in China like other pens. There are blue pens just as good or better.

(pause)

Red Pen Owner:
Blue pens suck. I was an experienced blue pen user for years, and I can tell the red pen is so much better. Red pens just works, never fails and I get much more work done now. Writing with a new color pen is so much faster...

Blue Pen Owner: !!

A yes I can't make apps for toys. I'm stupid.

Actually back when I had my iPhone 3GS and iPad 1 I wanted to try making an app. Only to find out it required me to buy a Mac. You know what Apple? Fuck you!
Needless to say I got rid of both. Now my father is the owner and is ok happy with both. Only issue is Apple have cripled both with their updates, so they have been increasingly laggy.

What I meant was, if you aren't able to build a stable PC or choose a quality product, then Apple is probably your best bet.

It's easy, it works, it never fails. It must be the perfect product for people not able to solve problems.

Most developers I know use a Mac. I wouldn't call then noobs, which was my point.

I can build a PC to any specification possible, but I choose to use a Mac because I don't need to build anything to get a great system. The OS alone is reason enough for me to own a Mac, because it runs a very stable UNIX operating system, with a fantastic GUI and the best development tools that exist. Plus I can run Windows on it using Parallels with no noticeable speed degradation.

My current laptop is an early 2009 17 inch Macbook Pro. It never let me down. The only thing I changed about it is that I replaced my cd-rom drive with an SSD.

The only thing I don't like about it is that Apple doesn't produce 17 inch models anymore :Oh crap

That's the reason, why I still use this old one.

I can't take anything you people say seriously when you spew bullshit like this.

Maybe do some research on the subject at hand before you start slinging retardation around the place? I can develop Android, Windows Phone, iOS and even Blackberry apps on Mac, Linux and Windows.

But I wouldn't expect a simpleton to know that.

Now get the fuck off my lawn.

Interesting, I've had nothing but pleasant experiences with Yosemite. Only issue I had was RES on Safari is shit compared to RES on Chrome.

on the newer macs upgrading ram is a thing of the past.

No you can't. Xcode wont run on Windows. Maybe if you do some serious operating system hacking but you can't run Xcode on Windows off the shelf.

You can't even develop apps on an iPad, you must use a Mac.
Not complaining, just stating a fact. It was a brilliant move by Steve Jobs btw, I admire that business decision to only allow iOS apps to be developed using only Macs for quality control and business reasons.

You are incorrect. There are workarounds.

Just stating a fact. :winkwink:

I used a very cool new tool called Google to find this instruction sheet: https://www.udemy.com/blog/xcode-on-windows/

That was one, of dozens.

Did you read when I said "without some serious operating system hacking"
and where I said "off the shelf"? ;)

Good luck with building a hackintosh. I spent a day trying and following 3 different youtube videos and found it frustrating. You have to download Mac OS software from pirate torrent websites, who knows what youre getting?

I also went to an iOS developers meetup meeting and discussed it and every single person there and no one had any idea how to run Xcode on Windows. These are professional techies and they ALL recommended I "Just get a used Mac on ebay".

I have used Mac's since the mid 90's and aside from a few minor problems, they are great. I listen to my friends with PC's do nothing but piss and moan about the problems. also, Mac's Apple-care is fantastic.

Something that will really piss you PC diehards off:

I'm very in tune and close to many let's say, "fellows of the dark web".

Most of them are on Macs these days.

Macs are the preferred development machines in some of the most hardcore under web development circles in the country.

Like it or not. Maybe you're just behind the times and refuse to adapt with the community.

Doesn't it make you mad, that most of the PC elite that all you PC guys worship even went to Mac?

:2 cents:

I have an iPhone and iPad. Been great experience with both.

It hasn't hit the 4 year mark with either of them. I find I usually have to upgrade my PCs around that time due to speed issues, but then again I do more work on the PCs.

Once again you're wrong.

Clearly you don't understand development and tools available to you. Because once again, I can develop all major mobile OS apps on all 3 major computer OS's.

Dig deep, you'll find out. And no you don't have to hack Windows, no you don't have to use a Hackintosh either.

What's even great is I can do all this from the same codebase, for all 3 major mobile operating systems.

The very first thing my iOS professor said in the first 10 minutes of the class was "If you want to build an iOS app, then you will need a Mac.
I'm sorry for Windows users but I don't make the rules I just follow them."

If you know something my expert level iOS professor doesn't I'd like to hear it.


Just saying "you're wrong" doesnt mean anything. Tell me how Im wrong.
"Dig deep" is useless. if you can tell us how to run Xcode and develop iOS apps on Windows without hacking Windows then tell us how.

The idea that your professor is "expert level" is nonsense. Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Most likely, he has built a few apps -- maybe even a famous app -- but if he doesn't even know about Xamarin and the half dozen other tools to develop for iOS on Windows, then he doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

You'll still need a Mac to "sign" the app, but there are ways around that.

Yeah and my "expert level" teacher in high school also said you cannot create good websites unless you use Adobe Dreamweaver. Doesn't mean he's right.

What if I told you, you could create iOS, Android, Blackberry, and Windows Phone apps using the same tools you use to build your website, without learning Java, C++ or even .NET?

Google search, I could give you the answers, but clearly you follow the rules of people who haven't paid attention to what's happening in the world of development since the 80's.

you flatter yourself, we could care less :2 cents:

I had asked a devloper about that one time.... told 2 things... might different now.. first my buddies that wrote code went to macs when linux was used for the kernel for the OS, and I was told that macs are great for coding but for heavy duty compiling they like PC's... no idea myself :2 cents:

Harley guys do the same shit

Why would an Objective-C & Xcode professor tell his students to use Xamarin and write code in C#?

Yes you are right, with Xamarin you can build iOS apps on a windows machine. But it's in C# not native iOS and you have to pay $999 a year if you want to use professional tools like an interface builder for iOS, otherwise you have to build your iOS apps interface in code. Fuck that.

I dont know any way to develop native iOS apps using Xcode with ObJC or Swift on anything but a Mac. And that was my point :thumbsup

When was Linux used for the kernel of Mac OS X? I wasn't aware of this. As far as I knew, it's always been UNIX .. and still is.


I'm only going by what you said below, which is that your iOS professor said that you CANNOT build one on Windows .. which isn't true. I can't go back in time and change his words to make him sound like less of an idiot.

Im not talking about Phonegap/Titanium/Adobe Air etc where the performance isnt as good as native. Im talking about building professional level apps. I don't know any way to do it without Xcode and ObjC.

Until everyone switches to Swift, Objective-C will still be the main driver of iOS development .. but its days are likely numbered.

You're one of those guys aren't you? Premature optimization is the death of a developer.

LinkedIn and Facebook both used HTML and JavaScript to build their iOS and Android apps until the usage heavily outweighed the performance issue and also were heavy evangelists regarding using HTML and JavaScript. Fact of the matter is 99% of developers, especially you would never be in their shoes so don't be so worried about such performance reasons.

Yes you're correct, I wasn't clear in my specifications and your solution does allow iOS development on a Windows machine.

The meaning behind what he said is that the course is on ObJ C and Xcode and you need a Mac in order to use it. You cant use Xcode on Windows. If you can easily without hacking something together or spending more money than just buying a used Mac then I'd like to see it.


Yeah the iOS developers I chatted with tell me program in Objective C and are resisting Swift. We'll see...

Please Tony where did you learn this from your boy Obama?

Mac Mini
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4432

Imac
http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201191

Far as I know all are upgradeable.

Yup, you don't care so much you start a thread evey five minutes letting us all know how much you don't care!:1orglaugh:1orglaugh