#facepalm

The troops were already there, stationed in Sevastopol by the terms of the lease agreement over the Black Sea fleet base. The Russian navy is allowed up to 25,000 troops on Crimean territory.


Geography for dummies
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Don't be ridiculous. Here's the video -



http://i.imgur.com/kD4bq8g.png

T-64 is main battle tank of Ukrainian army. Russia doesn't use T-64. BTW, when the russians invade another country, they always use russian flag. :1orglaugh

still waiting for proof:

Exactly. The video of Russian army invading the Ukraine on obsolete T-64 tanks with Russian flags, looks as legit as this:

http://s017.radikal.ru/i403/1202/1f/2b8506f5dd0e.jpg

2Rochard: You are a former marine, right? Does it mean that all the USA marines have the same outstanding level of military education as you? No offense please. Asking you as a Russian officer in reserve (your potential colleague ;)).

The facts nobody disputes so far:

Russia stole territory from a sovereign country by threatening with army invasion. Once they did that, nobody with more than 2 brain cells really cares what "facts" they manufacture.

Will the Real Colonel Slanders please stand up? :1orglaugh

Finally an admission he works for the Russian Military.

I wonder what other secrets he is keeping?


Forget Morphing Feeds we have Morphing Russians now.

it's always fun to see the PPP explode - i hope you guys get at least paid ;)

Load of crap huh?

Has Russia admitted to invading Ukraine? Nope. They deny it every chance they get.

Did Iraq invade Kuwait? Did Iraq sign a peace treaty? Did Iraq then violate the peace treaty on a daily basis?

You have video proof of Russian tanks in Donetsk.... Great!

Not stole but annexed. Furthermore, Russia has annexed the territory which was its part for 100's of years. The territory where the majority of people never agreed to be Ukrainians. And the more important fact: it was done w/o a single shoot, which means there was a total support among of the Crimean citizens. Think about Bulgaria which was taken back from Turks by Russia and then returned to its own citizens. Do you think it was wrong? Do you think Russia should stay away and let Turks simple slaughter your nation like sheep? Do you think you somehow better than Crimeans who don't want to live under the new Kiev's coup?

You have an outstanding military education. Congrats on that :thumbsup

In which year? In 2003? Man your historical education is even better than the military one :winkwink:

Just like Hitler did with Sudetenland? Heil Putin! In the last war you lost 20 million people, but now that the fucking piece of shit is one of yours, you are going to defend him all the way?

Jeeezes fucking Christ!!!!!!!

Bud, you got it all wrong. Kaliningrad is Russian because it was taken away from Germany 70 years ago. Crimea is NOT Ukrainian because it was "given" to them 60 years ago. You see 10 years gap there? Mother Russia can do wrong!

Hitler again? For real :)

BTW, you haven't answered to my question about Turks. Stop jerking off on Putin's bald had and read my post already.

Yes it is! :1orglaugh I wonder if he will be sanctioned for revealing he is Russian Military?

And now we have Morphing Russians also..........:Oh crap

Very funny to hear that from an occupant :) Ok, return the USA to native Americans and get away from the continent you have conquered. How much is a "gap" there, comrade? :winkwink:

P.S. Do you know what's the difference? The difference is not in a time gap. The difference is in a number of human lives. You guys (your fathers/grandfathers etc) have committed a genocide against native Americans, while Crimea was annexed without a single drop of blood.

Wasn't referring to Kaliningrad at all, I was talking about Crimea.

Russia stole Crimea after threatening with army invasion, there is NO other side of that story. This is how it went down - Putin threatened with army invasion, he stole the territory from another country, you can try and spin it all the way you want, this is the only truth.

Crimea was Russian whatever years ago - OK, let?s see what wasn?t Russian by that time and give Russian territories back to Poland, Germany, Finland, and so on? I thought we had borders for a reason?

By CyberAssieHoles rationalizations Russia could lay claim to North America because Natives from prehistoric Russia walked across the Bering Straits to come to North America.

yes but you could argue that ukraine didn't respect their russian lineage by banning the russian language as official language + this 2nd putch against this pro russian president... (orange revolution was the first one)
This was basically anti russian revolution and that happened during the olympic game in russia (do you really think that it serves russian propaganda to look like hitler ?)

With a north korean flag, it would be north koreans :2 cents:

this is basically what happens when you lose the war...
Explain that to german people after WWI

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kill them already :(

Ah yes, the best counter argument is to point finger at someone else and say "You did it too". Good one Ivan. We wouldn't want to talk about butchering millions of your own people in 1930's, mass deportations of "unwanted" citizens to remote area. Fuck it, lets talk about Indians since this topic is about native americans and not Ukraine and separatists sponsored by Russia.

No, you got it all wrong again. Whats mine is mine, whats yours is up to me to decide.

that's why i consider debates useless by now - whatever you say you get drowned in walls of text, pictures and Youtube videos about something that happened some other time some other place - everything to deflect from the point the debate is about.

please look at the maps with demographic info, please note what language is spoken most in eastern Ukraine, please look up historical info - and later you may talk about "minorities"

please also note how this "minority" was treated by new, "legally elected" - as always, in last 25 years in Ukraine - Ukrainian government

also imagine one thing - "hostile" forces, organized but in small quantity "invade" any country in the world and "terrorize" its few milions population....is it possible ? point is: if these guys (KGB- specops and eastern Ukraine specops, so called "Russian separatists) wouldnt have support from local population and wouldnt be treated as their representation actually - they would BE GONE in 2 weeks, kicked out by few milions of population...or at least they would need to bare sabotage probes on every corner....Had something like that happened in there ?

they were murdered by Yeltsin and by Putin also, in the last war. Actually that last war destroyed them (or maybe - those among them who were most dedicated and strongest warriors) that they obeyed new order by Putin - "I will give you a bone, lots of food, and you will be mine good dogs. I will put my crazy dog here to rule you all with harsh hand, but still - those who obey will never be hungry".

Ok, I'll play. Tell us how humanely Vlad would have treated one of those regions if they proclaimed itself a "republic"?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yKlQWg7gou...ucasus+Map.jpg

bet its hard to find someone on the streets of georgia :uhoh

Oh no, these guys are special. For years they have been bitching about United States handling shit "the wrong way", and I will admit we have. We have been brainwashed with patriotic propaganda and so on. No denial, we have. But now, its their turn to admit it and guess what? Nope, we are saving the oppressed people of Ukraine, we do not have troops there. Sure shit, just like Germans AND Russians didn't have troops in Spain at the beginning of WW2. All of them were volunteers on paper while getting paid x2 salaries and x4 time for active combat service.

I love watching "WW2 in Color" on AHC :winkwink:

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Why? I hear its a beautiful country.
Or you talking about Atlanta, GA?

I dispute that .

read one of my above posts, I admitted you are right.

I'm not Russian...I just hate double standards from both way:2 cents:

one of the double standards here - Pro- Russian government , legally elected by people in Ukraine was overthrowned and Ukraine got other government - not so pro-Russian actually... and not so pro-east too...
now Imagine if due to violent protests in Ottawa, Canada one time decide to leave all unions with US and be partner of China....imagine reaction of US.
and now please tell me about double standards :-)
what I want to say is: Ukraine is dangerous for Russia if it would be anti-Russian.so being cynical and with common sense - it was just expected.
add to that the fact that Ukraine is actually divided...east always was pro-Russian and pro-Yanukovich...and now you have today's mess.
consider also fact : historical proximity, geographical proximity, cultural proximity, economical proximity, and language proximity
it is not even like Cuba and US..more like Canada and US

So why did you mention Kaliningrad, comrade? You started it and you got it back.

no big deal the USA uses cluster bombs against civilians on a regular basis...hell just in my country alone when the USA bombed the Chineese embassy by mistake (LOL) we had to move metal dumpsters to take care of the wounded because of delayed clusters...

This is what exactly happened. Putin gave them everything they wanted (in fact they got a full autonomy). So the most powerful Chechen clans (e.g. Kadyrov's one) that were fighting against federal government, sworn to Putin. Now they are the most loyal citizens of Russia.

I already asked same question before - imagine Russia funds orange revolution in Mexico and Canada, what would US do?

We can't post pictures of decapited people

Sure sure - The United States is "heading in the wrong direction". They've only been saying this for the past sixty years.

Here's the bitter truth.... Nothing has changed and it's business as usual. They said "The US is heading in the wrong direction" when we went into Korea, during the cold war, Iran in the 1970s, Vietnam, and so on and so forth.

Americans sit here on message boards and bitch about how shit is going down hill and then post to Facebook on their thousand dollar smart phones while people in other countries spend hours in line just to get enough water for their family to drink for a day.

Every generation thinks their country is going into the shitter. It's because as you get older you need something to bitch about.

Only problem I see here is that are Russians are too slow. They should learn from NATO and "western" countries. Go to another continent, bomb everything and invade. Or just bomb for months civilians,schools,bridges, etc... After Libya, Iraq, Serbia..there is no need to play games anymore. In short: Russians are to gentle what is resulting in ordinary people getting killed every day.

No question about it. Had it been breakaway region in Russia things would have gotten just as ugly as it is in Ukraine.

Started what Ivan? It was mentioned as hypothetical scenario and what action sVlad would have taken to prevent the sovereignty of his country. What the fuck Indians have to do with this?

I might want to explain what orange revolution is and how it was funded by the US.

Started playing offtopic, comrade John. You are always doing that. Read the thread title BTW (yes, it is about cluster bombs used by the Ukrainian army against the Ukrainian civilians).

You know that is all not true right?

No rape that was BS to get the UN to act. We know this for a fact now.

No violation of the peace treaty was ever proven. No weapons of mass destruction.

The US fucked up and should just come clean.

You sure its not about Indians? Always a good way to divert questions and play stupid.

Ahhh, The PPP is in Full Deflection Mode now.

Waiting for them to start a non profit you need to join for the real facts, maybe when Vlad suspends PutinPay again.

Their own citizens? Which is it.. Are they want to be Russians or are they Ukrainians. Seems they are Russians when you want to justify Russia's actions, but suddenly they are Ukrainians when Ukraine solders kill them...

Are you sure this thread is about Kaliningrad or Crimea? Read the title already, my slow comrade :Graucho

There is some real mess in your head, man. A friendly advice: visit a doctor.

You actually mean "Russia claims that Ukrainian army used cluster bombs and 9M22S rockets against civilians".

Chechens bombed their civilians in 1995. Georgians in 2008. Ukrainians in 2014. Three evil countries and one good Russia. Looks strange, eh?

Ukraine was a peaceful country with no war for almost 70 years - since World War II. Until Russians came.