I dispute that .

read one of my above posts, I admitted you are right.

I'm not Russian...I just hate double standards from both way:2 cents:

one of the double standards here - Pro- Russian government , legally elected by people in Ukraine was overthrowned and Ukraine got other government - not so pro-Russian actually... and not so pro-east too...
now Imagine if due to violent protests in Ottawa, Canada one time decide to leave all unions with US and be partner of China....imagine reaction of US.
and now please tell me about double standards :-)
what I want to say is: Ukraine is dangerous for Russia if it would be anti-Russian.so being cynical and with common sense - it was just expected.
add to that the fact that Ukraine is actually divided...east always was pro-Russian and pro-Yanukovich...and now you have today's mess.
consider also fact : historical proximity, geographical proximity, cultural proximity, economical proximity, and language proximity
it is not even like Cuba and US..more like Canada and US

So why did you mention Kaliningrad, comrade? You started it and you got it back.

no big deal the USA uses cluster bombs against civilians on a regular basis...hell just in my country alone when the USA bombed the Chineese embassy by mistake (LOL) we had to move metal dumpsters to take care of the wounded because of delayed clusters...

This is what exactly happened. Putin gave them everything they wanted (in fact they got a full autonomy). So the most powerful Chechen clans (e.g. Kadyrov's one) that were fighting against federal government, sworn to Putin. Now they are the most loyal citizens of Russia.

I already asked same question before - imagine Russia funds orange revolution in Mexico and Canada, what would US do?

We can't post pictures of decapited people

Sure sure - The United States is "heading in the wrong direction". They've only been saying this for the past sixty years.

Here's the bitter truth.... Nothing has changed and it's business as usual. They said "The US is heading in the wrong direction" when we went into Korea, during the cold war, Iran in the 1970s, Vietnam, and so on and so forth.

Americans sit here on message boards and bitch about how shit is going down hill and then post to Facebook on their thousand dollar smart phones while people in other countries spend hours in line just to get enough water for their family to drink for a day.

Every generation thinks their country is going into the shitter. It's because as you get older you need something to bitch about.

Only problem I see here is that are Russians are too slow. They should learn from NATO and "western" countries. Go to another continent, bomb everything and invade. Or just bomb for months civilians,schools,bridges, etc... After Libya, Iraq, Serbia..there is no need to play games anymore. In short: Russians are to gentle what is resulting in ordinary people getting killed every day.

No question about it. Had it been breakaway region in Russia things would have gotten just as ugly as it is in Ukraine.

Started what Ivan? It was mentioned as hypothetical scenario and what action sVlad would have taken to prevent the sovereignty of his country. What the fuck Indians have to do with this?

I might want to explain what orange revolution is and how it was funded by the US.

Started playing offtopic, comrade John. You are always doing that. Read the thread title BTW (yes, it is about cluster bombs used by the Ukrainian army against the Ukrainian civilians).

You know that is all not true right?

No rape that was BS to get the UN to act. We know this for a fact now.

No violation of the peace treaty was ever proven. No weapons of mass destruction.

The US fucked up and should just come clean.

You sure its not about Indians? Always a good way to divert questions and play stupid.

Ahhh, The PPP is in Full Deflection Mode now.

Waiting for them to start a non profit you need to join for the real facts, maybe when Vlad suspends PutinPay again.

Their own citizens? Which is it.. Are they want to be Russians or are they Ukrainians. Seems they are Russians when you want to justify Russia's actions, but suddenly they are Ukrainians when Ukraine solders kill them...

Are you sure this thread is about Kaliningrad or Crimea? Read the title already, my slow comrade :Graucho

There is some real mess in your head, man. A friendly advice: visit a doctor.

You actually mean "Russia claims that Ukrainian army used cluster bombs and 9M22S rockets against civilians".

Chechens bombed their civilians in 1995. Georgians in 2008. Ukrainians in 2014. Three evil countries and one good Russia. Looks strange, eh?

Ukraine was a peaceful country with no war for almost 70 years - since World War II. Until Russians came.

What? :))) Ukrainian country? For 70 years? The peaceful Nazi Galichina Waffen SS brigades and UPA? Are you an idiot?

Mabey they where tired of being skull fucked by the Russians. Did they not see the Germans as liberators and then the Nazis skull fucked them to?

No, it was not peaceful as it was under the terror of Moscow.

I don't think that they saw Germans as liberators. More like they just hoped that their asses wouldn't hurt so much, no matter who is fucking them.

let's be honest - russians, poles, ukrainians etc. were not any more or less anti-semitic than regular germans - just that no one wants to admit that.

just recently the poles went crazy when a documentary pointed out that polish jews got ratted out or even killed by polish resistance - still it's a fact

so as long as it went mainly against jews, many eastern europeans played along

Yes my thick skulled Ivan. Kaliningrad as hypothetical breakaway region and how would have Vlad handle situation the compared to E. Ukraine. Im sure it would have been with milk and cookies because just like Russian Nazi's your cluster bombs are more humane than those of Ukraine. We all know that. What were you saying about Indians my slightly intoxicated vodka comrade?

Since when Galichina SS became representation of entire country of Ukraine? You must be an idiot Ivan? Far greater number of Ukrainians who fought alongside your grandfathers.

Don't you think that GFY is not a right place for Russian propaganda?

Also, if you're talking about Nazi Galichina Waffen SS brigades, why did you forget to mention that Russia had 20 times more collaborators fighting on the side of Third Reich. Over 1,000,000 versus 55,000 from Ukraine. Only ROA (Russian Liberation Army) had around 800,000 and totally there were 23 Russian divisions (and 2 from Ukraine).

UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) was an opposing force to both Third Reich and Communists.

hahahah... I'm waiting for story then about "polish concentration camps" and that they were actually builded by Poles/ Ukrainians/ Russians and managed by them:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

In the Schindler's list when the jews get "liberated" by the single horseman (Russian), they ask where to go, and the soldier replies something like: "Don't go to the east, you are not liked in there, don't go to the west, you are not liked in there." And then they probably go north or south. Well, just a movie, but it brings up the issue mentioned.

fixed it for you

It's probably worth to mention that in Poland, Russia or Ukraine occupied by the Germans there was death penalty for helping Jews.
It was the Germans who elected anti-semitic party not Poles, Russians or Ukrainians.

You probably shouldn't bring SS troops in this discussion:

29th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS RONA (1st Russian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Russian Liberation Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They where tired of being skull fucked by Turks and Poles in 1654 and asked for a protection of Russian Tsar. They decided to be a part of Russia by their own will. Learn history, man.

It dosent change that 300 years later it was not really protektion.

Not for Nazi Galichina Ukrainian propaganda for sure.

Johny boy, you are more stupid than I thought. Course it was not a representation of whole Ukraine. It was a representation of whole Western Ukraine. The territory which Stalin took from Poles, Romans, Hungarians and then joined to the Soviet Ukrainian Republic. So now there is a war between Eastern Ukraine (former Russian territories) and Western one (former Polish, Romanian, Hungarian territories). Why you guys are so dumb in geography?

I shouldn't. Because I MUST. These were always considered as the main enemies of my country. They were crushed and Vlasov was publicly hanged. Nobody praises those bastards in Russia. Nobody does pro-Vlasov marches here and nobody occupies Russian parliament to demand any privileges for veterans of Vlassov's gang (I have serious doubts that even one of them has survived). Do you see a difference with the modern Ukraine, you stupid sick fuck?

Calm down and try without insults next time.

I didn't say Vlasov army is praised in Russia. I say both Russia and Ukraine had their armies supporting Hitler. That's all.
I also see that Stalin who murdered millions of Russians, Ukrainians and others is still praised in Russia.

There were forces that supported him everywhere (in every single country including yours). But even Germans are ashamed of their history. While only Ukrainian are openly praising their Nazi "heroes". Only there you can see this:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FFpY3qaP5Q...ionGalizia.jpg

http://beta.inosmi.ru/images/15639/81/156398138.jpg

this:

http://www.segodnya.ua/img/article/5160/89_main.jpg

and that:

http://rusvesna.su/sites/default/fil...ichina_2_0.jpg

Don't play stupid please.

He is not. At least officially. Your lovely Putin has personally forbade the previous major of Moscow to use replicas of WWII time banners with a face of Stalin in a Victory Day.