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aka123 11-17-2014 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20292337)
There were forces that supported him everywhere (in every single country including yours). But even Germans are ashamed of their history. While only Ukrainian are openly praising their Nazi "heroes". Only there you can see this:

http://beta.inosmi.ru/images/15639/81/156398138.jpg


Swedish nazies praised in Ukraine?

just a punk 11-17-2014 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by aka123 (Post 20292362)
Swedish nazies praised in Ukraine?

14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.allworldwars.com/image/08...Posters083.jpg

aka123 11-17-2014 06:18 AM

Well, I think that they praise Soviet things also, at least Russia does. Somewhat equal.

It has been said that Russia has never made "peace" with it's past, as it was on the winning side. Maybe these like to praise nazi criminals instead of Soviet criminals.

MaDalton 11-17-2014 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20292186)
hahahah... I'm waiting for story then about "polish concentration camps" and that they were actually builded by Poles/ Ukrainians/ Russians and managed by them:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i would never claim that - but there were collaborators who worked at concentration camps - but that's not what I meant..

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20292242)
It's probably worth to mention that in Poland, Russia or Ukraine occupied by the Germans there was death penalty for helping Jews.
It was the Germans who elected anti-semitic party not Poles, Russians or Ukrainians.

i guess when you are polish resistance, you don't worry too much anymore for what reason the germans want to kill you

did anyone of you see "Unsere Väter, unsere Mütter" and followed the discussion afterwards?

and it's actually the same here in CZ when you mention how they killed germans after 1945 - some people still freak out over that and either deny it ever happened or call it justified

eipstudios 11-17-2014 10:04 AM






aka123 11-17-2014 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20292565)
did anyone of you see "Unsere Väter, unsere Mütter" and followed the discussion afterwards?

I saw it from TV, but didn't notice any discussion (at least in here).

Adam Wade 11-17-2014 10:17 AM

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The funny thing is that Chechens were murdered by good Yeltsin. Evil Putin became a president in 2000 and he was the one who finished all that endless and bloody war in Chechnya. Now Chechens are his people. I mean he has much more support in Chechnya than anywhere else in Russia. Moscow votes for Navalny, while Chechens vote for Putin. And that's a fact.
Sure. Putin gives money to Ramzan Kadyrov (Chechen leader) and as he pays the Chechens are his people. As soon as he finishes doing this they'll be his worst enemies. Just believe me.

eipstudios 11-17-2014 10:20 AM


klinton 11-17-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20292565)
i would never claim that - but there were collaborators who worked at concentration camps - but that's not what I meant..

there were even Jewish collaborators in concentration camps...and there were Polish and Ukrainian collaborators too

also some people in Poland were hiding Jews in their houses and not all of them were doing this for Jewish gold teeth ;-) also many people were helping Jews / or the other people - were selling them for money to Nazis

and also , after second world war there were few anti semitism clashes in Poland, and in 68' many people with Jewish origins were forced to exile Poland...

but it all doesnt mean that modern Israel is chosen nation and has the right to do what they want with Palestinians, because they are dangerously similiar in their actions to Nazis during 2nd world war....

MaDalton 11-17-2014 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20292742)

but it all doesnt mean that modern Israel is chosen nation and has the right to do what they want with Palestinians, because they are dangerously similiar in their actions to Nazis during 2nd world war....

well, that's a completely different topic

my main intent was to point out that mislead people are everywhere, atrocities happen(ed) everywhere and no one is completely free of guilt - not back then, not now.

femdomdestiny 11-17-2014 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kolargol (Post 20292243)



Russian liberation army was a try to resist communist and only partner in that were Germans. Every country in war had collaborators. It is just important how big is population supporting that idea. They were recruited from German occupied territories of Russia.


Russian volunteers who enlisted into the German Army (Wehrmacht Heer) wore the patch of the Russian Liberation Army, an army which did not yet exist but was presented as a reality by Nazi propaganda. These volunteers (called Hiwi, an acronym for Hilfswilliger, roughly "volunteers") were not under any Russian command or control; they were exclusively under German command carrying out various noncombat duties. Soon, several German commanders began forming small armed units out of them, primarily used in combating activities of the Soviet partisans.

Adolf Hitler allowed the idea of the Russian Liberation Army to circulate in propaganda literature so long as no real formations of the sort were permitted. As a result, some Red Army soldiers surrendered or defected in hopes of joining an army that did not yet exist. Many Soviet prisoners of war volunteered to serve under the German command just in order to get out from Nazi POW camps which were notorious for starving Soviet prisoners to death.


The ROA was organized by former Red Army general Andrey Vlasov, who tried to unite anti-communist Russians opposed to the communist regime in the Soviet Union. The volunteers were mostly Soviet prisoners of war but also included White Russian émigrés (some of whom were veterans of the anticommunist White Army during the Russian Civil War).

WDF 11-17-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20292764)
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my main intent was to point out that mislead people are everywhere, atrocities happen(ed) everywhere and no one is completely free of guilt - not back then, not now.

:thumbsup :2 cents: There is the real truth in all the they did this and they did that.

You all expect way too much from CyberSEO and his band of Mislead Putin Propagandists.
They only know what they are told and usually only post what they are told to post.

CyberSEO has already admitted to a relationship with the Russian Military to Rochard in a post here.

Do you expect to admit certain truths that will make his propaganda completely invalid.

klinton 11-17-2014 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20292764)
well, that's a completely different topic

my main intent was to point out that mislead people are everywhere, atrocities happen(ed) everywhere and no one is completely free of guilt - not back then, not now.

and I can agree with that POV :)

Kolargol 11-19-2014 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20292337)
There were forces that supported him everywhere (in every single country including yours).

Not every country had volunteer Werhmacht or SS divisions - unlike most European countries, including yours, Poland didn't.

It's a bit complicated about support of Stalin in Russia and many post soviet republics, he might not be officially praised but not totally condemned as he should be (and as Germans did with Hitler).

Also, Stalin remains quite popular in polls.

I agree with the rest of your post.


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